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Levgreee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 04:03 AM
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What was Michigan's and Florida's reasoning for pushing up their primaries?
Have they really gave their reasoning?

Was it just so people looked at them more? That hardly makes sense... increased revenue, or what?

I suppose they want more political influence, but in what regard? It seems that all the order of the primaries influence is the momentum of the various candidates, leading up to Feb. 5th.

So does that mean Michigan and Florida wanted to go earlier so they could create an advantage for a certain candidate? What other influence could they possibly give?

Someone please help me here... I don't know too much about this topic.
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Levgreee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 04:09 AM
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1. Ah, so it was to increase their influence in the nominee selection process...
Edited on Wed Jan-30-08 04:10 AM by Levgreee
"But Michigan Democrats moved their state's primary date to January in an effort to increase the state's influence in the nominee selection process, arguing Iowa and New Hampshire unfairly dominate the process."

So... who did they want to shift the nominee selection towards? Or did they have no one in particular? If they had no one in particular they wanted that increased influence to help, why did they care so much?

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/10/09/michigan.primary/index.html
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cyclezealot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 04:55 AM
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8. They did not want to shift it towards anyone.
they wanted voters such as myself, to not eliminate MY choices of candidates for whom to vote; before the vote got around to us. What right does po dunk Iowa have to eliminate my choices before we get to vote. I find that offensive as do many big state voters. And to add salt to the wound. Look how long it takes to get to a bigger, urban state with labor. What like six weeks. Before we get to the first big urban state. And then they all come in groups of 24 other states, minimizing the impact of urban states. You'd at least think a big state such as Pennsylvania would be in the original mix. But no.
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Levgreee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:03 AM
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9. So you think they did it so you would be able to vote for Kucinich?
Does the small amount of people who orchestrated this change actually care about those smaller candidates, who basically have no chance to win? I would think, rather, in wanting to have more influence on the nominee selection, they would be paying attention to the candidates who have a chance... and perhaps who would benefit their state.
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cyclezealot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:16 AM
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10. actually most MI dems who favored the change were DLC types.
It was not to advance the interests of any candidate. I never mentioned Kucinich. Kucinich has little following among MI DLC types, Which includes the Governor. What really motivated the rush to end the influence of punny Iowa, New Hampshire is to increase the voice of working Ameericans. Meaning Labor. What about if we did not want Chris Dodd eliminated before he was eliminated. ( Not as a party apparatus, but as an individual voter. What is so difficult to see, some find that offensive.) Who is to say A Dodd or Biden would not do better in Michigan or California than compared to Iowa. ? And if Iowa is meant to give a lesser monied candidate a chance? Did it. We have money bags Hillary and Obama. That is all that is left for the Big States to vote on. For those who wanted say, a Bill Richardson. All we can say is F*** Iowa.
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 04:10 AM
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2. they wanted to find out if a tree falls in a forest and there is no one there
does it still make a sound.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 04:12 AM
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3. They agreed to let the 4 states go first and then they went back on it.
Sigh. Nobody has any honor nowadays.

Actually, it sounds like something Hillary could have plotted. Get a few huge states to do "beauty contests" because she knows she has the name recognition and will probably win, and then insist they be seated.

We cannot let these people win the White House. I can't imagine how awful they will be.
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Levgreee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 04:13 AM
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4. If there really was politicing between a candidate and these states...
Edited on Wed Jan-30-08 04:31 AM by Levgreee
to circumvent the rules to help a certain candidate, by having states go early which definitely vote a certain way instead of more "neutral" states, I truly find this more disturbing than anything else that has happened in this election...

Partly just because of the huge scope of the manipulation, and also because of how the people of Florida and Michigan were twisted around and had to lose their votes because of this. And if Hillary was at all behind this, and is now putting on a show for standing up for the voting rights for people in these states, that is truly disturbing.

I've mostly reserved judgment on things that have happened so far, and tolerated, at least, the manipulative abortion rights fliers that lied about Obama and played on Women's fears, but I could absolutely not accept this. This would mean personal victory is more important, than the voters. That is not Democratic, that is unacceptable.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 04:29 AM
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6. Right now there is a thread on whether Hillary would go against the election
and use the Supreme Court and a technicality to win and 100% of posters think she would.

Damn. Even her supporters know she lacks honor. And they are saying how much they like that in her. It is UGLY.
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cyclezealot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:21 AM
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11.  MI did not go along
it has been fighting the supremacy of Iowa and New Hampshire for years. They did not readily agree to it. The small states are a majority and they imposed it upon the big states.
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Levgreee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:29 AM
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15. is there anywhere I can read about the nature and history of these conflicts?
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cyclezealot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:34 AM
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16. my sources has been the Michigan Media
for their viewpoint, think the Michigan Democratic Committee has posted stories. Think Wikipedia on line encyclopedia gives some information about this conflict.
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Levgreee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 04:28 AM
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5. Does no one have thoughts on this?
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Yossariant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:26 AM
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14. Yep, I do.
The state parties in FL and MI think that the early primaries are totally unrepresentative of the demographics of America.

They think their states more accurately reflect the country.

And they wanted to showcase their states and their states' importance in the election process.
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 04:41 AM
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7. All election primaries need to be held on the same day..............
this long protracted primary season is ridiculous.
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cyclezealot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:23 AM
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13. and it makes it more expensive.
as the moneyed interests want it.
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 12:21 PM
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17. Think of the tens or hundreds of millions that could be saved!
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cyclezealot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 02:22 PM
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18. all spent to enrich the media
even tho they are using air waves owned by the public. maybe we should raise their rent.
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tomreedtoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:22 AM
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12. To invalidate Florida Democratic voters.
Because there IS no Florida Democratic Party. Haven't you been paying attention? It's all run by the Florida Republican Party. They want a way to stop Dean and to assure that YOUR state will have a fake Democractic Party operation, just like Florida.

When Bob Graham left the Governorship and went to the Senate, the last real Democratic politician left Florida.
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