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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:18 AM
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I am an Edwards Democrat. For those speculating on my vote, it goes to NO one.
I cannot be "bought" or "bargained". away. My vote cannot be "negotiated". Neither candidate offers me anything to believe in. I have lost my champion but his issues are not dead. I will support those issues but my part in this abominable process is over.

I am writing John Edwards in during the GE and calling it quits with national politics. And I am cancelling my Party donations effective immediately.
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:20 AM
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1. Same here Saracat
Just called to cancel my tickets to 2 major Georgia Dem parties.

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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:14 PM
Response to Reply #1
148. we've bashed heads before, but today, I hear you, saracat. Hugs,q
honey. I haven't felt this bad since Nixon beat my man.
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neutron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:38 PM
Response to Reply #148
161. You could all join hands and walk into the River Singing Kum Ba Ya
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 06:47 PM
Response to Reply #161
174. wow. what a hero you are.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 06:55 PM
Response to Reply #161
177. And the ignore list continues to grow.
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 03:23 AM
Response to Reply #177
224. Exactly...
We need some industrial strength Raid lately.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 07:01 PM
Response to Reply #161
180. And you could sing "I love war". nm
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 03:21 AM
Response to Reply #161
222. Why don't you go back to FR where you belong, troll.
Wishing harm on DUers is atrocious and spiteful to say the least.
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AmBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 02:51 AM
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218. Couldn't agree more: NOBODY for President
Edited on Thu Jan-31-08 02:58 AM by AmBlue
...but make that 2008.


if I can't vote for....
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stickernation Donating Member (317 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 03:42 AM
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228. THAT IS FANTASTIC.


that nobody for president 1988 button is one of the first things that has made me smile all day.

i have never been more certain that true change must emanate from us ourselves.

i haven't had a president for the last eight years !!! WHY THE HELL SHOULD I START NOW ???

i do care about congress though - i'll be there in november rain or shine.

but nobody for president really STRIKES A CHORD with me right now. that is really interesting.

-s
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AmBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 09:06 AM
Response to Reply #228
234. Glad you enjoyed it.
:hi:
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:20 AM
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2. that's certainly you're right, and I don't think anyone should
be pushing Edwards supporters to go with their candidate.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 03:20 AM
Response to Reply #2
221. funny ..you could put them on a silver platter..i wouldn't spit at them!!..eom
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:21 AM
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3. Same here sara. I'm officially done.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:45 AM
Response to Reply #3
51. Can I say something to my Edwards supporters.
we are all hurting right now, but remember do we really want a Repig in the office again, the country is in a crisis, do you guys really want a President McCain, and please ignore the media cause we all know how they have been manipulating people in who to vote for. I for one, will be holding my nose on this election.

But I will not let another repig go into that office.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 02:44 PM
Response to Reply #51
146. Edwards was the one who could beat McCain. I won't be blamed if McCain wins.
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 06:37 PM
Response to Reply #146
173. That's it. Period. The Clinton name ruined his chances.
I don't feel like bothering to go to the primary, now.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 03:22 AM
Response to Reply #146
223. me either ..that is a bullshit excuse to vote for someone our values won't be compromised by.
the only one who beat McCain is Edwards..period..

don't dare blame us..we tried to tell you all!

you just didn't listen..you drank the kool aide.

fly
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:32 PM
Response to Reply #51
152. News Flash for ya: Hillary & Obama ARE RETHUGLICANS IN DEM CLOTHING.
WAKE UP!!!
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Expat Sue Donating Member (21 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 09:03 PM
Response to Reply #152
193. You got that right
I am in shock over the Edwards pull out. I feel a huge segment of voters will be disenfranchised by this decision. I see virtually no difference between Hillary and Obama on the issues I care about most. Both will maintain the corporate status quo, which is a huge reason the US is in the predicament it is in now. I can't believe that voters don't recognize this.

I'll have to vote "none of the above" to register my lack of support for the remaining candidates.
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creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 09:42 PM
Response to Reply #3
209. If Edwards had won
the rest of the party would have supported him 100%.

Its not fair to throw in an ante, draw a hand, then pull out your ante.
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:21 AM
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4. I hope you reconsider by November. Remember McCain wants
us to stay in Iraq for 100 years.

I won't proselytize to you about the primary battle. Just wanted to tell you I am sorry for your grief, and I hope you still check in on DU on those very important issues that Edwards championed.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:24 AM
Response to Reply #4
9. And as polled, Edwards was the candidate who could beat McCain. Now look for a McCain WH.
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:41 AM
Response to Reply #9
44. Being electable starts with winning the primaries. I am an Obama
supporter, but if Hillary pulls it out in the primaries, then she has shown she can win. It is simple logic.
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lastliberalintexas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 06:47 PM
Response to Reply #44
175. Primary votes and general election votes are very different animals
Especially considering that some states which have already voted hold open primaries, and Iowa lets people register 5 seconds before caucus. Crossover voting doesn't necessarily translate to support in November. Just ask Senator Fisher from Texas... (sorry, that's probably too obscure for anyone not from TX)
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stickernation Donating Member (317 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 03:49 AM
Response to Reply #44
230. you're super cool and really a good example.

i like that you are an Obama supporter who would be glad to support Hillary should she become the nominee.

i think that sounds remarkable and is honestly a first for my ears.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 08:37 AM
Response to Reply #44
232. That is POOR logic.
You are very litererally comparing apples and oranges - Democrats and Republicans. Hillary winning in all-Democrat primaries is NO reflection of how she can do against a popular Republican. Repeated polls showed Hillary losing to McCain - and Edwards winning against him. Hillary wins with Democrats by dissing the left. McCain wins by dissing the Democrats. Edwards wins by having plans to HELP the people.
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 12:12 PM
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121. That's my biggest fear.
We might as well get used to the idea of hearing "Hail to the Chief" when McCain walks throught the door. Because, that scenario just got a lot more likely to happen. :puke:
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creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 09:44 PM
Response to Reply #9
210. Edwards didn't win all polls against McCain
Hillary and Obama didn't lose all polls against McCain. The difference between all three of them against McCain was less than two points.
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bpeale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:41 AM
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42. then you'd better enlist. me and mine won't be. and good luck with that
that's what happens when you give people the choice between bad and worse. they generally don't choose anyone.
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:43 AM
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47. I didn't decide anything. The voters in IA, NH, NV, and SC did.
What a bizarre comment. No thanks, I will not enlist. I voted for Gore and Kerry, and will vote for the Dem Nom in '08.
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 02:32 PM
Response to Reply #4
138. Neither of the frontrunners can beat McCain.
Those who voted for them in the primaries will be responsible for what happens in November.
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foxer Donating Member (255 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 09:31 PM
Response to Reply #138
203. You'd think for $100 mill, you could get good candidates
Oh that's right, not our hundred mill
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 09:31 PM
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202. IF After Tomorrow They Even Get Mentioned... You Can Knock Me Over....
And even IF they get mentioned, WHY should I believe them?? They stole his message and THEY said it was theirs. We know better, and we will STICK with Edwards!!

McCain, seems no different to me!! Hide and Watch! If ANYTHING get done differently... I'll stand out in the middle of the street and SPIT WOODEN NICKLES!!
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:22 AM
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5. I'm sorry to hear that
Do what you have to do. Take a break. I understand your disappointment.
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NightWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:22 AM
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6. vote for the dem in the general
I am going to do that regardless of who wins.

We need the Supreme Court
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:24 AM
Original message
Liberal Democrats
aren't likely to follow the pack. Especially not to Hillary.
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NightWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:25 AM
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14. I hate Hillary, but President McCain- I dont think so
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:48 AM
Response to Reply #14
59. I do not want this warmonger McCain in office haven't we been
through enough. Again, I will hold my nose and vote.
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OnionPatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:57 AM
Response to Reply #59
72. That's good to hear.
It's so scary to hear all these people say they won't vote. I was an Edwards supporter, too but the more liberals who decide they can't "hold their noses" and vote for Hillary or Obama, the more chance we have at getting a Republican president. Hillary and Obama may not be our ideal choices, but they sure as hell won't put an anti-choice conservative on the Supreme Court.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 11:31 AM
Response to Reply #72
103. yes, I will never stop voting, that is what these neocons want.
Edited on Wed Jan-30-08 11:31 AM by alyce douglas
I will NOT play into their filthy hands.
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foxer Donating Member (255 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 09:34 PM
Response to Reply #103
205. But they count the votes
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:26 AM
Response to Reply #6
16. There is no Democrat in the General. And there is a great article
on why the choice between the two remaining makes NO difference on the SCOTUS. They will nominate moderates or conservatives who are likely to get confirmed and with Roberts and Alito realtively young, we are screwd anyway.I no longer care.
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:33 AM
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That is so not true. Since when is Ginsberg a "conservative"?
I have been critical of the Clintons, as you know, but I know that the Clintons know how to nominate a liberal to the SC who will uphold Roe v. Wade, stand up for workers, freedom, and the environment.

I know you're upset, but I am going to have to correct you on this one.
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IronLionZion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 04:03 PM
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166. Ginsburg is conservative the same way taxcuts for the rich help our economy
score one for propaganda! WOOT!

:sarcasm: You'd think 2000 and W would have put this "no difference between the parties" nonsense to rest once and for all.
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D-Sooner Donating Member (86 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 11:25 AM
Response to Reply #16
100. What article is that saracat?
I'd like to give that a read.
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OnionPatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 04:28 PM
Response to Reply #16
170. Do you really believe
that Hillary or Obama are going to appoint anti-choice, gay-hating, theocrats to the Supreme Court?
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 03:27 AM
Response to Reply #170
225. Obama has already shown he would appoint at least
gay hating people by his open and unapologetic association with the ex-gay movement preachers. On that part, I would say, yes, I think he would.
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OnionPatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 11:05 AM
Response to Reply #225
238. Well, if a Republican wins, you can count on it.
I'm not so sure Obama would appoint someone who would outlaw gay marriage. I do think he shamelessly pandered to the gay segment of the black community with the Donny whatsits thing, but there's no way he'd appoint the kind of political monster to the bench that a Republican would.
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 11:41 PM
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240. He didn't pander to the "gay segment" of the black community.
Get your facts straight. He pandered to the homophobes. And yes, he would appoint an out and out homophobe. You can bet your bottom dollar on that.
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OnionPatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 11:05 AM
Response to Reply #240
241. I know. It was a typo. Sorry.
Edited on Sat Feb-02-08 11:10 AM by OnionPatch
I meant to say the "anti-gay" segment. But by the time I noticed, it was too late to edit.
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creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 09:47 PM
Response to Reply #16
212. I hope you change your mind
Stay part of it. Its better than watching and doing nothing.
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bpeale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:42 AM
Response to Reply #6
45. the supreme court doesn't matter IF THERE IS NO RULE OF LAW BEING FOLLOWED
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:47 AM
Response to Reply #45
58. Well...that's a good point. We can have a Unitary President who is a Democrat...
and who knows what that could mean with "Absolute Power Corrupting Absolutely...."
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knight_of_the_star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:42 PM
Response to Reply #45
164. Exactly!
See Cherokee v. Georgia as a perfect example of that!
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LibraLiz1973 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:23 AM
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7. Sara, I understand. I am broken hearted.
I just cant give up on the process... yet
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BlueManDude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:23 AM
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8. Clinton has to be stopped - for the good of the party and country.
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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:24 AM
Response to Reply #8
10. Thanks for the unity speak.
:rofl:
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:25 AM
Response to Reply #8
12. there is NO ONE who is any different than Hillary in the race anymore
NO ONE.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:28 AM
Response to Reply #8
18. Makes no difference.
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BlueManDude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:35 AM
Response to Reply #18
33. If you're OK with this campaign being about the Clinton's marriage then
I guess you're right. The reality is that if we nominate Clinton then we have assured ourselves of an issue-less 2008 campaign. McCain will skate by with the media doing his dirty work by endlessly engaging in armchair pyscho-ballble about the state of Bill and Hillary's relationship. Aren't you just completely sick of that? Let's at least make him work for it.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 11:35 AM
Response to Reply #33
105. What a crock 'o' crap. Bill Clinton left office with a 65% approval rating! People aren't stupid.
And they're sick to death of the repuke slime machine. They can't throw ANYTHING at the Clinton's that could be any worse than the crap they threw during the 90s. The Clinton's have been VETTED. Has Barack? How many more Rezkos are out there? If you want to find out, elect Barack. The RW slime machime will try to destroy ANY Democrat they run against.
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BlueManDude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 12:05 PM
Response to Reply #105
115. Have you paid even the slightest bit of attention...
to how the last two prez elections have played out? Are you still under the impression that "issues" matter? Jeezus what will it take for some people to get it?

As far as issues go watching Clinton try and explain away her IWR vote for the next 9 months sounds real appealing.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 12:11 PM
Response to Reply #115
120. No. I've been living under a fucking rock.
So, you actually think Obama can win against the RW slime machine? Are kidding me? At least Hillary has been vetted. She knows what to expect from them. You have NO CLUE what they have planned for Obama. May I suggest you pull your head out of your "Hope" cloud? It doesn't matter who the Dem candidate is...they will try to destroy them both. My money's on Hillary. She's been there, done that.
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BlueManDude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:23 PM
Response to Reply #120
149. neither can win
but hillary will lose very badly and take downballot candidates down the tubes with her.
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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:36 AM
Response to Reply #8
34. why? and why not Obama? there's not much difference between the two.
Obama is more into appeasing Republicans, even.
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bluedog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:24 AM
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11. know how you feel
I voted yesterday...just because of the tax issues in Fl...I voted for President.....but seeing they don't count.I can not in all honestly say I'll vote in the GE........I'm disgusted to say the least.......what ever happened to WE the People?
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TheDeathadder Donating Member (731 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:25 AM
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13. John Edwards would want you to hang in there
Take a few days to reflect on his message and then apply it to the Democratic party as a whole. Edwards would want you to be part of the process in november to help Democrats win the White House and win House/Senate Seats. John Edwards is not a quitter and a true Democrat. His message lives. I have a feeling we will be seeing plenty of John Edwards during the Primary and General Election race. I am also sure we'll be seeing plenty of an active John Edwards over the next decade. If there was ever a time the democratic party needed John Edwards and his supporters it was now.

John Edwards people should keep his message alive by staying part of the process. That's what he'd want you to do.
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LiberalHeart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:33 AM
Response to Reply #13
27. Would have been nice if he were the one hanging in there.
I'm with the OP. There's nothing in this election that speaks to the progressive agenda now. People fear a McCain presidency, but at least with McCain people know what they're getting. He's what he purports to be. Our two remaining candidates are Republican Lite; the one who at least talked the talk (but didn't walk the walk) is kaput so that leaves progressives having to settle for selling out their beliefs or sitting out the election. A vote is too precious to squander on someone you don't believe in, particularly when you believe that person will inflict long-term damage on the party you love.
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TheDeathadder Donating Member (731 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:36 AM
Response to Reply #27
35. I got a feeling
Edwards will still be speaking for the progressive agenda during this election. I have no doubts John Edwards will not be going away, that his message will live. If Clinton and Obama were smart they'd acknowledge and carry the message of Edwards within their own. John Edwards and the Edwards Democrats need to be louder than ever before.
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vanboggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:53 AM
Response to Reply #35
66. Hill bama have already adopted JRE's message

The original said it better.
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TheDeathadder Donating Member (731 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 11:03 AM
Response to Reply #66
80. well we're still going to need the original
to help the dems win the white house and seats. We still need the original and his supporters to help change the current direction and return the american dream.
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vanboggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 11:17 AM
Response to Reply #80
96. There's the rub
I'm a 57-year-old hard core democrat. If I can't enthusiastically support what's left, how the hell are we going to win?

Stay tuned for s-election 2008 when the machines will flip the votes in the middle of the evening, and the Rethug corporate media will shake their heads and say the country wasn't ready for a woman or black, whichever. The fix is in.

I'm done with the game. It is set up so the good guys can't win.
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TheDeathadder Donating Member (731 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 11:20 AM
Response to Reply #96
97. that's what created good-guys
facing down a challenge that is impossible.
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vanboggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 11:59 AM
Response to Reply #97
113. And even with that
the citizenry turned their backs on him for a corporate shill and an empty suit. Sorry, Hill-o-bama people, but that's how I see them. I have TRIED to see the good in either one, believe me. The change message belonged to John Edwards. They took what they wanted of his message and kicked him to the dogs.

To hell with it. I wish I hadn't spent so much of my life in the past 8 years fighting the Bushes. It was for nothing.

I'll vote for the shill or the empty suit against the warmonger, but the vote will not be from my heart. I will not be posting signs in my front yard and carrying their message.


Thanks for trying to pull me out of the doldrums, though, Deathadder.
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TheDeathadder Donating Member (731 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 12:02 PM
Response to Reply #113
114. Well take a few days to let your head clear
Lord knows I've been in your shoes. But remember...

The Edwards Message Lives

The Edwards Movement Lives

The Edwards People are more Edwards than ever.

John Edwards isn't going away.

John Edwards will help the Democrats win the White House and House/Senate Seats.

John Edwards will continue to work towards saving America.

and We all thank the Edwards people for yesterday, today, and tomorrow.
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vanboggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 12:25 PM
Response to Reply #114
122. Thanks
I'm sure I'll have a good cry when I watch his bow-out speech at 1pm in NOLA.

As a child of the 60's, seems I've been protesting and walking in the losing shoes on the political side most of my life.

Oh, I'll come around. I can't vote for warmonger McCain, so that leaves one of the two on our side. I'll hold my nose and vote for whichever, but I won't be phone banking, putting signs in my yard, or carrying their message. (Unless, of course, the nominee is smart enough to put John on the ticket ...IF he even wants to be there.)

Unfortunately, I see my long-time fear coming to fruition. The fix has been in since the beginning - Rove style. Corporate media shuts out the good guy, Hillary or Obama wins nomination. Winner is ahead of warmonger McCain on election night, suddenly the votes flip and McCain pulls out a "miraculous win" ala the Chimp. Corporate media says, well gee sorry, but the country just wasn't ready for a woman/black/whatever. Pugs steal election again, war goes on, rich get richer and poor get poorer.

End of story. End of country.

But I'll try to look on the bright side and will hopefully see something to suppport in Hill-o-bama other than the "D" on the ballot.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 07:00 PM
Response to Reply #113
179. You just spoke for me as well
thank you.

:hug:
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 03:32 AM
Response to Reply #80
226. you can count me out..and i have heard the same thing from hundreds of people today! eom
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martymar64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 09:44 PM
Response to Reply #35
211. They never will
Their corporate paymasters won't allow it. Edward's message was antithetical to everything that Hillary and Obama stand for. They represent the wealthy elites, the investor /CEO class. The working people have been abandoned by our own party and now have no voice. Now I'm pissed at Edwards for quitting on us. I hate to say it, but I feel he's let us all down.
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:39 AM
Response to Reply #27
39. Actually, I know a great many in the Republican base who will NEVER
vote for McCain. They view him as a turncoat for sometimes coming together with Democrats. Immigration, global climate change, tax cuts. He is not who they want.

I know at least one person who said if McCain is the nominee, she will vote Libertarian. A lot of die hard Bush supporters are like that.
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maximusveritas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:26 AM
Response to Original message
15. That's how I felt when Dean was forced out in 2004
I swore I was done with the Democratic party and politics. But I came back eventually after I had gotten over the initial shock and disappointment. There are probably some out there who never got over it, but that's the way it is.
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:30 AM
Response to Reply #15
22. ~waves hand~
Me! I never got over it. He was the best thing our country has seen in DECADES.
I lost hope, Only dreams left.
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 02:35 PM
Response to Reply #15
139. Fool me once, shame on you....
I'm done expecting progressives to get anywhere in this party.
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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:27 AM
Response to Original message
17. So....you are actually voting McCain.
Good knee jerk reaction.

Good luck. Hope you don't have any draft age kids in the next 4-8 years.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:29 AM
Response to Reply #17
20. It wouldn't make a difference. Several people let me know today they are doing just that, and they h
I am writing in John.I am voting for a Democrat.
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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:33 AM
Response to Reply #20
25. In other words...
You are letting others decide who wins.

I had the same thought. It is tempting but not practical.

Somehow I will have to bring myself to pull the lever for one or the other.
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LiberalHeart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:34 AM
Response to Reply #20
30. I'm hearing the same thing from people.
Edwards departure is leaving them with no one to vote for.
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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 02:25 PM
Response to Reply #20
135. You can
You can write in Alfred E Neuman, John Edwards, or even Ralph (barf) Nader but by withholding your vote from whoever the Democratic nominee is you are essentially handing over your vote to the other side. There is no one on the other side better than whoever we pick. By standing on your "principles" you are enabeling a Conservative Supreme Court.

There are consequences for being pius.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:30 AM
Response to Reply #17
21. How about those polls that found Edwards too be the one Democrat who beat McCain.
Did you forget about that?
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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:34 AM
Response to Reply #21
29. No.
He isn't a REAL option now unfortunately.
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creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 09:58 PM
Response to Reply #21
213. That's an Edwards supporter folktale
RCP Averages:

General Election: McCain vs. Clinton
Polling Data
Poll Date Sample McCain (R) Clinton (D) Und Spread
RCP Average 01/09 - 01/27 - 46.8 45.0 6.6
McCain +1.8

General Election: McCain vs. Obama
Polling Data
Poll Date Sample McCain (R) Obama (D) Und Spread
RCP Average 01/09 - 01/27 - 44.7 43.2 8.6
McCain +1.5

John McCain (R) vs. John Edwards (D)
Poll Date Sample McCain (R) Edwards (D) Spread
RCP Average 12/12 to 01/12 - 44.0% 42.3%
McCain +1.7%

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/national.html
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Ninga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:29 AM
Original message
n/t
Edited on Wed Jan-30-08 10:30 AM by Ninga
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Ninga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:29 AM
Response to Original message
19. You are a good person saracat. You will be back. And I hope I run into you when you return.
Please don't go away.

Stay here with me, I need friends like you.

I have no dog in the fight, and will support the nominee with my vote, because the Supreme Court is the most important thing to me now that poverty is off the page.

saracat, we must think about future generations and the Supreme Court.

If we can not have Edwards, then we must find what drives our passion to vote for the nominee.....and for me, it is the Supreme Court.

By the way, I will vote for Edwards in the Ohio primary. I can not find any reason not to. Let the Obama and Hillary supporters here at DU, get out from behind their computer screens, and take to the streets and fight for their candidate.

May the best, win.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:30 AM
Response to Original message
23. My donations are done as well. The $100 million candidates
don't care any more about me doing without to help than Joe Trippi did when he begged for money just yesterday.

I am done as well. I will let the "people" decide now as I am an April state and then I will decide what to do in November.

No difference between Clinton and McCain, IMO.
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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:45 AM
Response to Reply #23
49. thanks, ralph
did you know there is no difference between Al Gore and George Bush, either?

come on, I know you are upset today, but you really had to see this coming. sit out the primaries, if you must, fine, but John Edwards will not thank you for not participating in the Fall.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:48 AM
Original message
Give it and us a rest
Try again tomorrow.

Thanks.
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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 11:15 AM
Original message
hey, for those in mourning, I say take some time
but those who lash out at others? not as much sympathy.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 11:30 AM
Response to Original message
102. Welcome to ignore.
Have a nice life.

I am sure you have other Edwards'supporter threads to shit all over today.
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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 11:49 AM
Response to Reply #102
110. sweet
nice to know that's all it takes for ignore these days.

and if you really think there is no difference between Hillary/Obama and McCain, then you are a complete and total fool. That's what got us into this whole freaking mess in the first place. enjoy your isolation, I hope your ivory tower doesn't get sullied.
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bpeale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:50 AM
Response to Reply #49
64. who gives a shit? hillary & obama will thank you when you bend over to get yours
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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 11:16 AM
Response to Reply #64
95. yup
you just keep saying that.
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foxer Donating Member (255 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 08:26 PM
Response to Reply #64
186. Look back and say "That All You Got"
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LoveForPeace Donating Member (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 04:23 PM
Response to Reply #23
169. People are such liars
We have an electoral college, you motherfuckers, and one vote will not sway the outcome. It would never come down to 1 vote, not without some vote rigging. Go ask Bubba sitting on his ass who has never voted for anyone to vote. If your candidate cannot win it's because of THEIR flaw to not inspire or lead, not because of ours. If the Republicans win it must mean your candidate is a failure. if Ralph Nader gets the support that means that your candidate panders to the corporationsand Republicans.

Edwards 4 ever
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corkhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:31 AM
Response to Original message
24. saracat, I have the cure. Repeat after me.
"President McCain"
"President McCain"
"President McCain"
"President McCain"
"President McCain"
"President McCain"


"President Romney"
"President Romney"
"President Romney"
"President Romney"
"President Romney"
"President Romney"
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:48 AM
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:56 AM
Response to Reply #62
69. reality bites
.
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bpeale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 11:07 AM
Response to Reply #69
84. you are blocked
it doesn't matter what good stuff you have to say, i won't hear you
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 11:10 AM
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corkhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 11:26 AM
Response to Reply #62
101. I can always count on stimulating conversation here on DU
thank you for your contribution.

I gave Edwards my hard earned money, I had never donated to a campaign before. I supported him as much as anyone, but this talk of sitting out now that he is out of the race is just plain stupid.

Yup, we are going to have to hold our noses again, but don't tell me that our remaining candidates are just as bad as what the republicons are serving up.

We are going to end up with McCain or Romney vs. Obama or Clinton. get over it.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 07:02 PM
Response to Reply #24
182. We have no control over that
those decisions are being made at a much higher level than the voting booth.
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LowerManhattanite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:33 AM
Response to Original message
26. Well...
...hope that works out for you.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:33 AM
Response to Original message
28. Once again the party spits on the progressives. When they lose in the general they will blame you.
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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:56 AM
Response to Reply #28
70. I don't remember anybody spitting on Edwards.
He ran reasonably well against a couple of tough, media-savvy opponents, failed to win when he had to, and ran out of money. That's politics.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 11:07 AM
Response to Reply #70
85. Read the nasty posts against Edwards and DK in here. As far as the other two
I am suspicious when they are so "media-savvy" when the media is owned by the corporate ruling-class. To me the major issue is getting the corporatist ruling-class out of government. Edwards said he would work toward that, the others are not only not saying such, they are accepting millions from the corporatist ruling-class.
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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 11:11 AM
Response to Reply #85
91. It is unfortunately the nature of our system these days, and the great
paradox that progressives face. It's damn near impossible to get elected to national office in this country as a pure populist—your best bet is probably to run toward the center and govern as a progressive-populist. Trouble is, if you do that then progressives and those to whom the populist message is most likely to appeal won't vote for you.
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totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 02:42 PM
Response to Reply #85
143. Come on, there have been nasty posts about everybody,
including Clinton and Obama. It's the primary season.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 11:08 PM
Response to Reply #143
214. I am saying that the Democratic party machine and their corporate owners don't like the message
from progressives. But when the general comes around, they expect progressives to fall into lock step. I just want the to get back to the world before bush, on second thought, the world before reagan.
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foxer Donating Member (255 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 08:39 PM
Response to Reply #70
190. Their Media-backed, and he's not out of money
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 02:38 PM
Response to Reply #28
140. Yep. There's nothing new under the sun.
What I wouldn't give for a progressive viable third party.
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eowyn_of_rohan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 04:35 PM
Response to Reply #28
171. Nope. Blame the MSM for giving us only two, divisive candidates to choose from
And squelching John Edwards's voice and chances. This has been the plan, IMO, all along
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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:34 AM
Response to Original message
31. I know you are upset- we all are, but please take some time to stop and think
Either Clinton or Obama is better then McCain or Romney- The thought of either of those two in office scares me to death.
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foxer Donating Member (255 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 08:35 PM
Response to Reply #31
188. Tired of "settling" for half-ass candidates, time for a Leader
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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:35 AM
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32. :) that made me feel better. I already voted for him and I feel sad.
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bpeale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:38 AM
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36. same here saracat! i'm officially done with politics & elections
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 09:29 PM
Response to Reply #36
201. John Edwards isn't done with politics. RFK, Jr. isn't done with politics.
But have it your way.
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Midwest Progressive Donating Member (62 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:39 AM
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37. On behalf of most Democrats, grow up
We have a process and a candidate gets nominated. Then we support him or her.

Edwards wasn't screwed or cheated. He just wasn't that popular.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:46 AM
Response to Reply #37
54. On behalf of Edwards supporters
fuck you.

Try again tomorrow.

Thanks.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:46 AM
Response to Reply #37
56. On behalf of "real "Democrats. STFU.
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Midwest Progressive Donating Member (62 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:50 AM
Response to Reply #56
63. I support Clinton, but would happily vote for Obama
or Edwards, had he won the nomination.

The man isn't a saint. NAFTA, IWR, etc. Let's act like Democrats, not groupies.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:33 PM
Response to Reply #63
153. Has nothing to do with the candidate and everything to do with his platform.
Edited on Wed Jan-30-08 03:33 PM by saracat
Clinton and Obama have little in common with Edwards.He was the only populist.Voting just for a "D' or just for a rock star is being a groupie.I want a Democrat to vote for.And it appears there isn't one!
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Midwest Progressive Donating Member (62 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:37 PM
Response to Reply #153
159. So you like the rhetoric?
Look at the man's record, it isn't that different than Clinton or Obama.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 08:35 PM
Response to Reply #159
187. It is you twit. He sponsored the patients Bill of rights, He fought the credit card companies
Edited on Wed Jan-30-08 08:36 PM by saracat
and he fought for prescription drugs. He fought predatory loans and protected our right to sue corporations. Leave me alone you nitwit.STFU
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:58 AM
Response to Reply #37
74. On behalf of my progressive ass: keep treating us like shit and wondering why you lose.
I've been a Democrat all my life, but I'm done with this party until it stands for something. The party didn't earn my vote. The party isn't representing my beliefs. The party doesn't speak to me. The party cares more about winning pro-war republicans than my vote.

You want to keep losing elections? Keep moving to the right. It's only going to get worse.

And by the way, you don't get to speak for "most Democrats".
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Midwest Progressive Donating Member (62 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 11:02 AM
Response to Reply #74
79. NAFTA, IWR, etc
The guy isn't that far left. The tow Americas rhetoric resonated with some, but where the rubber hit road he wasn't that far from Clinton or Obama.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 11:32 AM
Response to Reply #79
104. You are aware that NAFTA was a Clinton thing -- you know, Billary and its "experience"
hows about you find another thread to take a shit on?
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LeFleur1 Donating Member (973 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 11:41 AM
Response to Reply #104
106. Actually
NAFTA was an Old Bush thing and Clinton had a Republican congress to deal with. It seems to have been a mistake in implementation in hindsight, but if you can find one president who hasn't made a mistake, I'd like to know who it is. Don't forget how Clinton was hounded by the right wing while in office. It's surprising he could focus on anything to do with the government while defending himself. They were after him long before Monica.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 11:42 AM
Response to Reply #106
108. I am sorry -- I missed the memo where Billary backed off of NAFTA being a good thing
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Midwest Progressive Donating Member (62 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 11:51 AM
Response to Reply #104
111. Yes
And I don't like it. The difference is I don't believe my candidate is the only real Democrat in the race.
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foxer Donating Member (255 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 08:44 PM
Response to Reply #111
191. Wasn't the only Democrat , just the only one left
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 12:05 PM
Response to Reply #79
116. Don't get it, do you?

It's not the man, it's what he was saying.
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 12:07 PM
Response to Reply #37
118. You go on ahead.
But this grown up will only vote for people she believes in. There's not much I believe in anymore. And it certainly isn't one of the few remaining scraps on the plate. The Dems blew it again. I'm out.
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 12:35 PM
Response to Reply #37
126. On behalf of rateyes, I must ask you a most sincere question:
Who the hell made you the spokesperson for "most Democrats?" BIOYA.
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 02:39 PM
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141. He wasn't popular because the party isn't that progressive.
Edited on Wed Jan-30-08 02:39 PM by mycritters2
Where should progressives go?
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OnionPatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 10:47 AM
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237. Boy do I agree with that.
Some of the comments around here remind me of some of the kids I played with when I was young.....if they couldn't win, they'd take their marbles and go home. This time the repercussions are going to be huge. Obama or Hillary may not be our dream candidate, but either of them would be a step in the right direction, and we can build on that to move in the direction we want to go. A Republican president will move us backward and damage our country beyond repair. Political progress doesn't happen by magic overnight as much as some people would like it to.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-01-08 12:34 AM
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239. I am so glad you are happy with the process. It is that same process that gave you George Friggin
Bush. But as long as you are happy and think we should "grow up". Get in line is what you mean. Sorry Jake but the process is screwed. The process is bought and paid for by the same corporations that brought you George Friggin Bush. Viva la status quo.
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:39 AM
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38. Saracat ..
I know how you feel, and I know many others who do not post on DU that will now have no candidate.
Yes, they are Liberals actually watching the GOP race to see who they might not hate.

I've been jaded since Kerry had his back-slapping love fest with George on the debate stages.
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:46 AM
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53. I don't know what debate you watched, but Kerry demolished Bush
in the debates.
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:54 AM
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67. He COULD have.
There were plenty of people here at DU beefing about it at the time. Maybe you missed that too.
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:39 AM
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40. and you probably are very proud of that
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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:40 AM
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41. Saracat, I am sorry this has hit you so hard. You are
one of John & Elizabeth's most stalwart supporters and I am sure they appreciate that.

I hope that in time your feelings may change a bit so that whatever Democrat is nominated will have your vote. We have to get the Republicans out of office. But in any case, I wish you the best!
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:41 AM
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43. Stay home in the primaries, if you choose to.
But if we get "President McCain" you'll be sorry.

ANY of our candidates are better than McCain or Romney and to ignore that fact is sheer petulance.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:45 AM
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50. I already voted in the primary.
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:48 AM
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61. Will you acknowledge that ALL of our candidates are better than any of the Repukes?
Including Obama and Clinton.

Cause they'd be a helluva lot better than Insane McCain and his "100 Years in Iraq" plan.

I hate it when we shoot ourselves in the foot.
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 02:40 PM
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142. Can they beat him in the GE? The polls say not. nt
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Alcibiades Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 04:14 PM
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167. Let's not bother even campaigning in the GE!
The polls have spoken!

Actually, what I've seen is that it's a statistical dead heat. Not a bad place from which to start. According to the Bush/Kerry polls taken at the same time at this point in the cycle last time, Kerry should have beaten Bush. Things change. In fact, I'm certain the numbers will change.
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martymar64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 09:38 PM
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206. Better, but just barely
Now all candidates of both parties are pro-corporate and anti-worker.
The Corporations have won. All I can hope for is that some country will grant me political asylum so I can leave.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:46 AM
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55. THe way to stop "President McCain" was to nominate the right candidate
My California vote ain't gonna make one bit of difference either way.
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bpeale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:51 AM
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65. well whatever...we'll all be occupying the same shithole either way
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:43 AM
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46. Reconsider, saracat. Don't help McCain win...
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:47 AM
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57. Oh so now if we don't endorse the corprat approved and hand picked candidate, we are helping McCain
to win? Nice guilt trip, don't you think? :eyes: Were we doing that by supporting Edwards, too? This is BS!
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:44 AM
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48. Take a couple of days off. Think about things again. Check back and see how things look then.
Having your candidate quit hurts. I know, I was a Clarkie last time around and it took several weeks for me to come to terms with the fact that a Clark administration wasn't going to be a reality...but I eventually came round and supported the nominee and his vp pick (the guy I had intially taken an interest in before Clark jumped in).

I understand how you feel, take some time, and see where you stand then...
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vanboggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:45 AM
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52. Exactly what I just signed on to say, Saracat
Edited on Wed Jan-30-08 10:51 AM by vanboggie
You are not alone. I was so upset with stolen election 2000 that politics became a huge part of my life. It was my patriotic duty to put myself on the line and fight the bastards. I was a webmaster for one of the original anti-Bush web sites for quite awhile. I've put a good part of my life over the Bush II years into fighting these bastards.

It's over. I don't care anymore. John Edwards was our last hope in getting our country back. I'm done with politics, I don't care which Rethuglican/Rethug lite wins.

Americans are a bunch of lemmings who have been heading toward the cliff since 2000. They're there now. I will be sitting it out. My heart is broken, our country is lost.
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:48 AM
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Dupe.
Edited on Wed Jan-30-08 10:48 AM by Dawgs
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:48 AM
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60. How many times are you going to post the same thing?
It's really getting pathetic.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:57 AM
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71. It's very pathetic
Perhaps they should go somewhere else to drag down the Democrats.
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 11:04 AM
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82. Who has control of your eyeballs?
Edited on Wed Jan-30-08 11:06 AM by votesomemore
Someone forcing you to click? Skinner has an entire post devoted to explaining how to HIDE threads in the Primaries forum.

It's pathetic to come on a thread just to post it's pathetic.

edit: this is a reply to the post above by "Dawgs" .. not OP
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:55 AM
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68. Chalk one up for the Republicans
thanks :(
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 11:00 AM
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77. We don't owe anyone our votes. That's what makes it a free country.
The Democratic candidates and their supporters have worked so hard trying to win over Republicans and swing voters, that they no longer speak to many rank-and-file Democrats.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 11:04 AM
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81. Then why post on DU?
Edited on Wed Jan-30-08 11:15 AM by HughMoran
This is a site for people who support the Democratic nominee.

I just don't get it - are some people here just to start fights?
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LowerManhattanite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 11:13 AM
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93. Answer to your question...
Yep.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:57 AM
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73. I'm afraid that today I agree with you, vanboggie and others who have posted this same sentiment..
too many years spent fighting "the establishment", fighting for an end to this madness and an end to cynicism only to see what the media is still able to do; and to be left with the inevitability of a candidate I will never, ever vote for. I think there are causes that need my time and my energy and my money. The democratic party set this whole thing up a long time ago.. I'm just a bit player in their already set scenario and I refuse to play their game any longer. As I've said before, I have a nice apartment on the ocean in Italy that will be waiting.. and American politics, divisiveness, bitterness and corporate candidates will seem like another lifetime, a nightmare from long ago.
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:59 AM
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75. Don't let the McCain taunt influence you.
His bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb Iran performance will sink him in the General.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 11:00 AM
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 11:01 AM
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78. Are we traitors to The Party, Stalin? /nt
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 11:05 AM
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83. Stupid talk like that
...makes you look like one of the "bitter ones".
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 11:09 AM
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88. For sure not a corporatist Democrat. nm
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 11:11 AM
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90. You either are or you aren't
If you won't support the Democratic nominee, then you are not with the program here.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 12:57 PM
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129. I will most likely support the Democratic candidate, but I hate your attitude.
Lock-step is a symptom of republicanism.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 11:07 AM
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86. We NOW have this choice in 2008:
We may vote for:

a) A Pro-WAR, Anti-LABOR, Corporate OWNED Republican

OR

b) A Pro-WAR, Anti-LABOR, Corporate OWNED Conservative Democrat

:woohoo:

I'm sooooo exicted.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 11:08 AM
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87. I'll vote for Clinton in the GE, but I won't campaign
As I mentioned in another thread, Kerry taught me that DC Dems are unable to campaign properly and are hopelessly out of touch with voters. I'm not up for more wasted effort in helping another of them get elected.

Its really a relief. I can forget about the elections until November.
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snagglepuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 11:13 AM
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92. As a Canuck I can't believe that dems turned their back on Edwards.
and I can't imagine how Edwards supporters are feeling right now. Here I am in Canuckistan and feeling shocked and sad. Edwards would not only have made America a better place but the world as well. The world is worse off as of today:(:(:(:(
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eowyn_of_rohan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 04:39 PM
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172. Don't believe it any more than you believe bu$h really won in 2000 and 2004
I sure don't.
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Duke Newcombe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 11:15 AM
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94. Then I wish you Godspeed, and good luck in your new location.
Perhaps a President McCain speaks to you more.

Duke
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gravity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 11:20 AM
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98. Give me a break
All three Dem candidates have similar views on most issues.

Remember the common enemy
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 11:25 AM
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99. Because you already have done the right thing -- I trust that you will do the right thing.


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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 11:41 AM
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107. Good for you!
I'll be writing in Kucinich.

The party has turned its back on progressives. When are progressives going to wake up and realize it's time to return that favor?
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Neshanic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 11:47 AM
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109. You can't vote for the nominee, but I can? How is that?
All three were not prize winners by a long shot, but Edwards was the default for me when Gore stopped being coy.

If I can vote for either one of these people, to make the last stand with others that we do not get a republican president, you should be able to also.

I am no fan of Obama or Hillary, as we have spectacularly failed to get a person to be strong against McCain. Nonetheless, I am voting for whatever they pick.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 11:55 AM
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112. I appreciate your passion for John Edwards, but I doubt he would
want you to write in his name if it means a Republican will get elected. He's an amazing man who can accomplish amazing things as part of a Democratic administration. He'd be my first choice for Attorney General.
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 12:06 PM
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117. You are not alone, saracat.
I've got nothing to lose anymore, and I won't be told who to vote for. No vote for me this year. Because in the end we're really not making a stand by lining up like sheep.
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RestoreGore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 12:08 PM
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119. yes, now both the other camps will be so nice in trying to get us over...
And I'm not going. I will however, THINK about supporting the Democratic nominee this November based on what happens between now and then, but my actions in that regard one way or the other will be based on my own thinking. Very sad day, and bizarre. Why he drop out right before Super Tuesday when I just read yesterday he was buying ads for those states baffles me. I truly hope he was not strong armed or threatened in any way. I absolutely believe it is possible because he challenged the status quo. Sad.
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 12:26 PM
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123. I'm with you 100%, saracat.
Edited on Wed Jan-30-08 12:40 PM by Seabiscuit
I'm voting Edwards next Tuesday, and writing him in for the GE.

And it will be a long day in hell before I contribute to anyone again.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 12:49 PM
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128. I am done with donations as well
Nothing left to believe in or look forward to. It had become clinical to me now.
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Shakespeare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 01:02 PM
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132. Apparently they don't need our donations anyway--the corporations have that covered.
I never thought anything could turn me away from my passion for politics. This has.

I'm done.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 06:54 PM
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176. It feels so empty now, doesn't it?
:(
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 09:16 PM
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195. Yes. I have the feeling that if I expatriated tomorrow, there'd be nothing to look back at.
And certainly no remorse.
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weeve Donating Member (427 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 12:29 PM
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124. ugh
I am with you 100% saracat. Today is a sad, sad day for democracy and my heart is heavy. The realization that the Media has the power to decide who leads this country is a horrifying one. THAT'S the big story this election cycle ... their unfettered power to squash any candidate of their choosing. The examples are too numerous to list ... they've had it out for Edwards from the very start. The fact that he did as well as he did is truly amazing. Big Media for YEARS now has said that McCain and Hillary are to be the two nominees, and surprise surprise ...

It's beyond heartbreaking. I guess on the plus side, I can now completely tune out this farce of a contest, and concentrate on more important things in my life. Hard for a political animal like myself, but much more healthy I'd think. I'll vote Dem (quietly) in November ( in hopes that John might be appointed to the Supreme Court ) , but that's about all I can muster. Between the (still) messed up voting tabulators, and the Media's all-encompassing power ... why would I even but my passion on the line yet again ? Fool me once, and all that.

A sad, sad day ... BIG hug to saracat, whose continued passion for Edward's message has buoyed my spirit around here.

sigh
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 12:29 PM
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125. dupe
Edited on Wed Jan-30-08 12:32 PM by Seabiscuit
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 12:44 PM
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127. I feel your pain, saracat, and must say that
my vote no longer matters. It won't matter in GA, because I'm voting for Edwards, and it won't matter in the GE, because GA will now go to the Republican nominee. Edwards could have won this state. Neither Clinton, nor Obama will.

So, I'm with you. I'll vote for Edwards on Tuesday and write his name in in November...unless I'm proven wrong and the polls show that the Dem nominee has a chance in GA.

We sure can't count on the Dem leadership in Congress to stand up against this administration or the special interest groups, either.
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jlake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 12:58 PM
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130. Good for you. I felt that way when Biden dropped out.
But please vote for the nominee in November.
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ncliberal Donating Member (131 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 12:59 PM
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131. Same here. I am disgusted with politics right now.
I don't want anything to do with it anymore.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 01:03 PM
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133. are you going to vote independent
depends whther you like the Democratic Party enough?
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Faux pas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 02:10 PM
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134. My thoughts and feelings e-x-a-c-t-l-y!
F 'em all.
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MuseRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 02:28 PM
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136. saracat
:hug: I know just how you feel. I read now, post a little but could actually care less. The choice has not been ours for a long time, it is all illusion anymore. Bad or worse or the other side, what a choice huh? Go local, some of that is still not totally corrupted. State politics is a good way to go too. Or not, whatever. It sucks so bad that it is really freaking hard to care anymore.
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incapsulated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 02:30 PM
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137. It's all about YOU baby...
Go YOU!
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 02:43 PM
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144. If it makes you feel any better
The race on Feb 5 will be decided by ONE VOTE in every precinct.

If you want Hillary to take this, by all means refrain from voting
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 02:44 PM
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145. allow me to ask you to take a timeout and come back
We need a Dem in the White House. As Thom Hartmann says, candidates see a movement and jump in front of the line and assume the role of leader. I believe Obama will accept that role. I believe even Hillary will accept that role to some respect.

I know for a FACT that we cannot afford another GOP President. Look at the differences between Obama/Hillary and Romney/McCain. In Iraq alone the differences are stunning.

All our candidates will end the Iraq war as we know it.

All our candidates will reform our healthcare system.

All our candidates will appoint Supreme Court Justices that will judge in our favor.

All our candidates will move to a more progressive tax structure.

Please at the very least vote for a Dem this fall.

Please reconsider.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:35 PM
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156. Maybe if we have a Dem running, but it doesn't look like it!
There might be a lever next to a name with a "d" but it likely won't be a Democrat.
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judaspriestess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 02:45 PM
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147. I said before that I would not vote if Edwards was not the nominee
then I said I would vote regardless of who the nominee is because we have to.

I'm angry and I HATE Obama and I do not like Clinton much but I still think ultimately I will vote Democrat but I cannot guarantee it. And that is the honest truth
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Beregond2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:28 PM
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150. No one...
I understand your anger, but I hope you regain some perspective before November. Look at Obama's positions; are they really very different from Edwards's? The main reason I was for Edwards was because I felt he was more of a fighter. But lately Obama has been standing up to the Clinton smear machine very effectively. And there is this: Edwards is almost certainly going to play a big role in the Obama administration. Does that mean nothing to you? Do you think Edwards should refuse any such job because it isn't ideologically pure enough?

No one ever gets exactly what they want in politics. Don't let that keep you out of the fight! Right now, you sound like a kid saying: "If I can't win, I'm taking my toys and going home!" Suppose McCain wins in November because a lot of people took your attitude. How does that help this country?
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:30 PM
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151. WRITE IN. It's the only way to show the bastards that we won't play their game.
Edited on Wed Jan-30-08 03:31 PM by TheGoldenRule
They can go FUCK THEMSELVES. :grr:
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:34 PM
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154. It doesn't go to "no one". In effect, it goes to McCain or Romney.
The process is abominable, indeed, but it's all we've got.

Note how the two Dems left standing are tripping over themselves to embrace John's issues, especially poverty. Hmmm...

That said, I'm pretty sure John and Elizabeth themselves will be voting Dem in November.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 08:38 PM
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189. If both remaining candidates are seen as pandering to the right
it creates a vaccuum- which, like or no- is what happened in 1994 and 2000.

I know a LOT of progressives like saracat, and empathise with them. My only hope is that they'll turn out to vote on state and local issues.....
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:34 PM
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155. Time will heal some of the wounds, but I must say that
I feel completely voiceless and disconnected from the electoral process; and I've been a political activist and junkie for decades. As I said, time will heal, but right now I don't plan to vote.
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Fox Mulder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:36 PM
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157. dupe
Edited on Wed Jan-30-08 03:37 PM by Fox Mulder
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Fox Mulder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:37 PM
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158. I hear ya.
I won't be supporting Obama or Clinton...until Election Day. I'll still support Edwards on Tuesday, but when it comes to the election, I'll vote for the nominee. I think Clinton or Obama will be a lot better than either McCain or Romney for President.
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:38 PM
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160. No comment!
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knight_of_the_star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:39 PM
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162. I am not done in national politics
But like saracat, I will not compromise or barter away my principles. I will not vote AGAINST anyone, I want someone to vote FOR. Until that happens, I am not voting for ANY presidential candidate.
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demo dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:39 PM
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163. Well sorry to say, count on a McCain win in that case!
Edited on Wed Jan-30-08 03:39 PM by demo dutch
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blues90 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:55 PM
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165.  I feel the same way
I am 59 and to be honest now I don't give a damn . This has been a media run deal from day one and no one can sell me a pile of crap .

If there are Dems out there who feel the remaining two are the real deal then their votes providing after the craze dies down and they actually do vote , their vote can cover their own ass and conscience . If it blows up in their face and they end up with not much better than Bush good damn luck then you have screwed yourselves as well as everyone else . I refuse to be part of it .

I have held my nose to many times and Kerry did it for me . And I had hope again , a slight hope but not now , it's all a game of money and power , lies and smoke and mirrors .
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LoveForPeace Donating Member (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 04:20 PM
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168. Thank you saracat! True Progressive!
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ZinZen Donating Member (599 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 06:57 PM
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178. Okay, do what you need to do.
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Geek_Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 07:02 PM
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181. I feel the same way but I'm just Hoping Clinton or Obama will Surprise me
Edited on Wed Jan-30-08 07:05 PM by Geek_Girl
and actually be a positive step in the right direction for this country. However I'm undecided about which one.

And if worse comes to worse it looks like Nader is going to run so you can always through your vote to an independent at least that way your still participating in the democratic process.
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Downtown Hound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 08:13 PM
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183. You know, giving up is exactly what they want you to do
I know that it's hard to keep the faith sometimes. But I really think that the only way we're ever going to take this country back is to vote against the Republican whenever we can and carry on the fight even when it seems like there's no hope left.

I understand where you're coming from, but I hope you reconsider. We're in this for the long haul, and there's too much at stake.
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 08:21 PM
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184. I would ask any Edwards supporters who are sick of the system
to act against it by increasing their donations and work for homeless shelters, battered women's shelters, recycling, environmental groups, etc.

We have the power to change the world, and every tiny positive act counts toward the greater whole. We can make the country better, and thus LIFE in the country better, through each improvement we make. Even if it is as simple as picking up garbage on the street. Or buying a burger for a homeless person.

I am sorry about your candidate and I know your frustration (see avatar). Your passion and your focus are not mis-spent, if you choose to do something positive, anything positive...
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and-justice-for-all Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 08:25 PM
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185. I think I will consider that as well Saracat...
It is now at the top of my list, unless things change between now and November.

This sucks, it was the first time I had ever gave money to a presidental cmapaign because I believed in the candidate, I believed in Edwards. Now I feel betrayed and hopeless, I was going to start passing out fliers and working on his behalf this week...
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 08:55 PM
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192. Thank you for clearing that up.
I'll sleep easier tonight.
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Yuugal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 09:13 PM
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194. "I am canceling my Party donations"
Amen. The corporatists have already had enough of my money.
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ozone_man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 09:24 PM
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196. There will be another time, perhaps for Edwards too.
I can't support the other two candidates at this point either, but down the road, things will change, more favorable conditions will arise. But not for Edwards this year. He's young still. In 2012, there will be a very different political environment. I think economically, it will be much worse, a severe recession perhaps, but politically, it will be ripe for a populist to win (think Great Depression). Anyway, thanks for the endless energy that you have generated. It wasn't wasted. Not on me anyway. :)
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foxer Donating Member (255 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 09:25 PM
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197. Was on another post,their putting their votes on E-Bay
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kurth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 09:27 PM
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198. People should vote for Edwards if he's still on the ballot
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 09:27 PM
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199. Obama and McCain are the same, just like Gore and Bush were the same.
Edited on Wed Jan-30-08 09:27 PM by Eric J in MN
Why bother to vote? (sarcasm)
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bagimin Donating Member (945 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 11:32 PM
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217. Thats right...
remember when Bill Maher used to say Gore or Bush no difference...
well he had to eat his words after 911.
McCain is freakin warmonger like Cheney for gods sake.
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EffieBlack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 09:27 PM
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200. I bet John Edwards is going to vote in November.
And I'll bet he votes for whomever he Democratic nominee is.
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joe_sixpack Donating Member (655 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 09:33 PM
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204. It's interesting to watch the different ways
in which people react to their candidates dropping out. I and many Biden supporters were disappointed, but not to the same level as others. I wonder if this reflects the different types of personalities that each candidate attracts.
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 09:38 PM
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207. Sara... I Tried Posting Earlier, But My Post Got Hung Up... But We Gave It
our ALL! Our heart, our soul, our love and we waited for America to SEE!

We have just witnessed first hand just HOW very sly and underhanded these people have become! And yet, one would think it's "Party Time!"

We just lost something SPECIAL, a MAN BEFORE HIS TIME!! All the focus was on ONE WOMAN & a BLACK MAN! Let's just have at it, but THEY are playing with FIRE! Too many of us will NEVER desert Edwards! I KNOW I won't!

Today I went outside and used up about 8 more bumper stickers and put them on my mail box, my front door any place they can be seen! I had ordered the very colorful ones and they sure stick out!


We stick with him, we OWE him that much!!
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 09:42 PM
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208. YOU Know I Said the Same thing Some Time Ago... My LAST Foray
as an activist! Voting Edwards and will do NOTHING MORE!

I can't MAKE myself LIE or HOLD MY NOSE! Not THIS TIME, and it may be a long long time before I BELIEVE again!!
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 11:13 PM
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215. Then your NO vote is one more YES vote for a Rethuglican in the November election
How fucking sad we have this happening that your "vote" (and those of so many like you) is more important than defeating the Right wing and the horrors they have bestowed on this country the past 8 years.

How fucking sad your ego precedes you. How sad.


When you feel the need for help from your government, don't bother, you don't deserve one.
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 04:36 AM
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231. and you really think it will make any difference whatsoever? . . . n/t
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 11:31 PM
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216. Kucinich supporters are in exactly the same situation
Kucinich had all the Edwards positions (and much more besides) before Edwards ever got around to advocating them. When he dropped out, Edwards became the only populist choice. I am now completely without a voice as well.

But I still will vote for the Dem in the general election, no matter what. The alternative is too horrible to contemplate and I'm too old to get out and start over somewhere else.

I already did that giving up on electoral politics thing in the 70s like all too many others of my generation on the left did. As a result, we don't have enough Wellstone types in the pipeline now. The results aren't pretty, but all I can think to do is to try to make up for lost time now, as best I can.
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 03:07 AM
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219. No one will be glad to hear it - he hardly gets anyone's votes these days.
But No one promises to keep his campaign promises more than anyone else like him.

LoL
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 03:17 AM
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220. i am doing the same saracat..i am quitting the DEC and all parts of our own corrupt party.
Edited on Thu Jan-31-08 03:18 AM by flyarm
i am finished..

but i will be writing Edwards in in November..no media or party will dictate to me who i vote for.

ever...

and no one will tell me what my values are and that i must hold my nose and vote for anyone ...especially crooks..a "d " behind their name...it does not make them less a crook..

i am sick of my party being infiltrated in Fla..and the party recruiting repigs to campaign against great dems..real dems.

i am finished..not another dime from me and not another days work..volunteering or other wise..

fly.. who will vote Edwards in the GE..already voted in primary for Edwards.
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cgrindley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 03:41 AM
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227. Thank god you're not a delegate or a major donor (nt)
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 03:43 AM
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229. Still getting Obama emails, or did they stop?
Just wondering.

I've only ever gotten one from Obama through Kerry.

Signed up on Obama's site though, and so now I'm getting them from him.
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kelligesq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 08:44 AM
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233. why I am going to continue voting for John Edwards
Edited on Thu Jan-31-08 08:38 AM by kelligesq
John Edwards has framed the issues all along - Single Payer healthcare, not

Universal, lobbyists out of the elections, America taking care of and giving a

chance for affordable college, taking care of our Vets, bringing home our

people from Iraq within a year without permanent bases in Iraq, restoring

America and every issue until Obama and Clinton "borrowed" his populist stance.

But "borrowing" words is not a commitment to carry them out whichever

one gets the nomination for the general election.

That is why we must must must continue to vote for John Edwards on Feb 5

The more delegates he collects even though he has "suspended" his campaign (I

suspect because of the MSM essentially boycotting coverage of him and the

failure of the feds to match funds until March) the more power John will have to

extract a written committment from either or both candidates to adhere to John's

and our populist issues
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Stop Cornyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 09:37 AM
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235. I'll probably vote Edwards simply because I see no real distinction between Obama and Hillary.
There may be a couple of differences, but I prefer Hillary on half of those differences (health care, fighting against anti-consumer tort legislation, etc.) and prefer Obama on the other half of those issues (Kyl-Lieberman, tax cuts for the wealthy, etc.).

It's a complete wash between Obama and Hillary.
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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 10:38 AM
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236. More proof for the oft-disregarded claim by conservatives that
liberals base their votes on their emotions. Way to live down to the stereotype. :eyes:
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