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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:58 AM
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Clinton Makes Much Ado About Not Much

Clinton Makes Much Ado About Not Much

Washington Post: Democrat Parties In Fla., Despite No Delegates Or Competition

DAVIE, Fla., Jan. 30, 2008

(Washingtonpost.com) This story was written by Dana Milbank.

Cheering supporters? Check. Election returns on the projection screen? Check. Andrea Mitchell and Candy Crowley doing stand-ups? Check and check. In fact, the only piece missing from Hillary Clinton's Florida victory party here Tuesday night was a victory.

Yes, Clinton, as expected, beat Barack Obama by a wide margin in the Florida primary. But all the Democratic candidates had agreed months ago to boycott the contest after the Democratic National Committee stripped Florida of its delegates to punish the state for moving up its primary date. The result was a primary without purpose, a show about nothing.

But in a political stunt worthy of the late Evel Knievel, the Clinton campaign decided to put on an ersatz victory party that, it hoped, would erase memories of Obama's actual victory Saturday night in South Carolina's Democratic primary. "Thank you, Florida Democrats!" Clinton shouted to the cheering throng. "I am thrilled to have this vote of confidence."

It was a perfect reproduction of an actual victory speech, delivered at a perfectly ersatz celebration at a perfectly pretend location: a faux Italianate palace with lion sculptures, indoor fountains and a commanding view of Interstate 595. The Signature Grand ("Elegant Weddings and Grand Social Occasions") was also holding receptions Tuesday night for a pediatric practice and for a group of optometry students, but the Clinton campaign was the biggest draw: It filled the Silver Palm Room, the Golden Palm Room and the Emerald Palm Room.

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Clinton Comments on Florida Results



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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 11:03 AM
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1. Shouldn't Dems expect Terry McAuliffe to explain why he put this DNC rule up
in 2004 and why the states agreed to it again in 2006?

Seems the Clintons HAVE an expert on this DNC rule in their own camp, but they are keeping him away from the news cameras while pretending they are outraged by the rule that they know CANNOT be broken by the current DNC chair.

So - why ARE they trying to game the perception of Democrats?

Looks like it is only to maneuver an ouster of Dean as party chair.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 11:29 AM
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8. hillary and the dlc want to install thier leadership....
the dlc wants to take over the party. that would mean there would no difference between the republicans and democrats
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 12:07 PM
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16. We saw Clinton's effect on DNC from 1996 thru 2004 - collapsed party infrastructures
in all the red and crucial swing states like Florida and Ohio.

Some say it was just bad strategy - others think it was a deliberate strategy to keep 2008 open for Hillary.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 01:50 PM
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26. that collapsed Dem party was unable to counter Election Fraud. Abandoned candidates
outside the machine's little fiefdom.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 02:39 PM
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27. Some say that DNC was UNABLE to counter election theft. Others think UNWILLING
I would side with unwilling.
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Nedsdag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 01:07 PM
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19. That's the problem.
If she gets the nomination, say goodbye to the 50-state strategy and Howard Dean.

Say hello to future DNC Chairman Harold Ford Jr.
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Metric System Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 11:13 AM
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2. It's amazing how the media tows the offical Obama camp position. People are noticing
and we don't need the MSM deciding the candidate for us, thanks.
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EmperorHasNoClothes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 11:29 AM
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7. It's the official DNC position
And used to be the official Clinton position. Why did she wait until a week before the election to start complaining when it's been known for 8 months that these votes wouldn't count?
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 11:20 AM
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3. Clinton wins Florida vote of confidence in landslide, Obama finishes distant 4th place overall
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 11:23 AM
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 11:26 AM
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6. "'Go Fuck Yourself, Florida' memo has been passed all the way down through the ranks..."
Typical vile non-substantive response! n/t
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Tarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 11:38 AM
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10. It was a valid reponse, a shame you can't keep up to speed
Team Obama desperately needs to tamp down this victory as to lessen Clinton's momentum going into Super Tuesday. But the tactic of writing off the Florida primary as invalid or meaningless is a slap in the face to the million+ who came out to vote last night. If, by some major miracle, Obama wins the nomination then these sorts of words will not be soon forgotten.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 11:39 AM
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11. ZERO delegates! n/t
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Tarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 11:41 AM
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12. You just don't get it, do you?
:eyes:
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 11:43 AM
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14. How many delegates did Hillary get? n/t
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 11:33 AM
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9. she won ....now she is in a position to take over the dnc
and replace them with the dlc.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 11:26 AM
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5. nothing on the bbc about the democrats in florida
and nothing on the guardian about hillary`s victory. they are not reporting anything about the "results" today


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Tarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 11:41 AM
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13. Ahh yes, because we always need validation from foreign newswires...
You're really reaching today, kid.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 01:49 PM
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25. kid? bye bye
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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 11:48 AM
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15. Floridian Democrats (and Michigan's) are being screwed by their own party...
...there is no way else to put this.

But asserting that Florida wasn't a "victory" because of the lack of delegates is missing the point: the public exposure of the gang-banging of Democrats by their own party is a huge message about truth and equal rights in politics and of the political hackery by selfish and immature DNC party leaders.

Shame on them. Shame on us Democrats for failing to transcend frenzied candidate support and failing to unite behind a condemnation of these most undemocratic assaults on individual voting rights.


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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 12:09 PM
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17. Has Terry McAuliffe explained why he put this rule in place that was agreed to by these states
again in 2006, just as they agreed to this same rule in 2003-4?

Do you know where McAuliffe can be reached to explain why this rule was set in place?

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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 01:06 PM
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18. No, I don't know why. Nor do I care. I just want it fixed -
- that means seating all delegates elected by the rank and file Democrats in accordance with Democratic principles of governance, where all citizens participate equally.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 01:14 PM
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21. How can it be fixed without re-running the primary on an even playing field?
And you SHOULD care about any rule adopted by the DNC because there is no choice for the DNC chair BUT to enforce the rules AS THEY EXIST.

Terry McAuliffe knows that and so does the rest of TeamClinton. So why do you think they are REALLY trying to force a perception that somehow this is an arbitrary ruling that can be ignored?

McAuliffe was VERY EMPHATIC about this rule in 2003-4. Maybe since he's an EXPERT on this, Hillary campaign can have him show up and discuss it for the Dem voters who are confused at this point - like you and others.
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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 01:34 PM
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22. It's a bad, election corruptive rule and has to be revoked. All votes count.
You don't punish state legislatures like Florida's which moved the primary date, by trashing the Democratic rank and file who turned out in millions to support their candidates.

Seat the delegates. The uncommitted can choose their candidate (exit polls indicated who they are) on the second rounds at the conventions.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 01:39 PM
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23. Who has the power to change a RULE in the middle of a contest?
No one. And no one SHOULD have that power.

This is something only a Bush would try and get away with.

Does the Dem party have its own version of Bush?
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 01:11 PM
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20. I believe we have a picture from her speech last night
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SlipperySlope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 01:48 PM
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24. K&R
Wish I could!
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