@$$@#%$@&@ Nader is jumping in

http://www.naderexplore08.org/

I hope to God Edwards slaps him silly in his speech today

but we will have to wait and see. Voters sure abandoned him in 2004.

Even as a Kerry supporter, I think it was. Kerry did have amazing credentials, such as BCCI, his effort to prevent more media consolidation, and his campaign financing bill with Wellstone, as being against undue corporate interests - but few, even now see him that way. He was way less susceptible to that charge than Gore 2000 was - though it was completely wrong in both cases.

I think Obama can make the case with that fringe better than HRC - but even as an Obama supporter - I would hope that the left sees Nader for the jerk he was and is.

this time around. And I really wish there would be an immediate repudiation of his tactics now.

favorable toward Edwards but if, at any point, it looked like another candidate would get the nomination, he would run.

I am not surprised and won't be surprised to see Bloomberg get in as well. So much for Hillary uniting the party.

ljlj

:argh:

voters. Remember the "there's no difference between Gore and Bush" 2000 election?

How'd that work out?

This is why.

Fuck Nader.

or Ron Paul decides to go Indy.

Go away Ralph!

Hell, while we're at it, why don't we encourage Gore and Bloomberg to go third party?

WHAT IS WRONG WITH PROGRESSIVES IN THIS COUNTRY?!?!?!?!

Sorry, but he drives me to distraction.

He has nothing new to offer and is an egomaniac.

Now it will be up to people to decide if they want a protest vote or a repuke in the WH.

and put a repuke in the WH is what I meant.

So... anyway.

:shrug:

:rofl: :cry:

before he pulls this bullshit? Insult to injury is what it is.

Wonder how much they are paying him under the table to hurt the democrats this time?

The man probably spent his 2000 election windfall.

There's only one thing to do!!!

"Hillary didn't suck -- Nader did it!"

Tesha

The votes of the left are available. But, they have to earn them rather than ignore the left.

"The left is inconsequential! If you don't like the party, don't let the door hit you in the ass! We don't need you and your pinko-leftist shit!" - but - "Nader got the leftists to vote for him so that's why we lost! People stabbed the party in the back by voting for another party! It's the left's fault that we lost!"

You moderate-rightists can't have it both ways. Either the left doesn't matter and you don't need us or you do need us and so should do something to get our votes. One way or the other...

:hi:

God, I'm such a child sometimes. :D

Just created today?

I wonder why we haven't heard a formal announcement yet.

Just like they helped get signitures to put him on the ballot in 2004 or
paid for campaign commercicals he ran in Florida 2000.

Cynthia McKinney is already running and she doesn't strike me as someone who will drop out because Ralph's ego needs its quadrennial massage.

Ralph in every category...

I'm not sure what his impact will be this time around.

getting Republicans out of the WH to do anything but vote for the Dem nominee.

And do we get to vote on what parts get tossed in first :scared:

Good thing i missed, it's was kind of getting a little creepy at any rate :shrug:

It would be better to vote. The Congressional candidates will need votes in Nov. As it now stands, I don't even see Obama as a Democrat, he's a gay baiting conservative religionist. So if it is just Obama, at least Nader would get me to open my ballot and cast one for my rep and Senator. I'm not even sure I am really wanted in this Party anymore, after the support for McClurkin/Dobson style minority baiting. So my votes are not promised any more, not after all of the baiting.
Obama and Clinton have not only lost my vote for them, they may lose it for the rest of the Democrats I support as well. It has to be a two way street, I don't vote for a brand I vote for principles, and those principles oddly do not include attacks upon my family, or anyone else's family.
As of today, from my view, there is no Democratic Party to cast a vote for or against. Just the Republicans and those who love them. If I wind up going Green, thank Donnie McClurkin, Republican, and his employer, Barack Obama, dino, and don't even think about blaming me for refusing to stand for bigoted wedge attacks on my very person and family. Party loyalty does not extend to betraying my self and my own to boost Barack.
If he cleans this mess of his up, I will reconsider, but half measures will not do. Overt and blatant pandering to bigots is not acceptable to me, and I will leave this Party over such tactics. Just to be clear, I have voted 100% Democratic since my first election, for Jimmy Carter. The baiting is looking like the final straw for me. Call me Independent!

unheard. I don't see him having any effect on the race at all!

What happened in 2000 was a fluke. He ran in 2004 and got no traction at all (remember that silly video he made because he was excluded from the debates?) and I think 2008 will be similar.