How does McCain poll nationally against Obama and Clinton?

Is there any data on this?

1st, the GE is not a national election, it is decided by swing states thanks to the electoral system. sucks, but true.
2nd, in the swing states it comes down to voter turnout, vote suppression, who counts the votes, and swing voters themselves.
3rd, it's too early to tell anything
4rth, Kerry led Bush almost the whole time once he was nominated going right up until the last week.

But as far as I know most polls show slim leads for Obama and Clinton which are near the MOE

Neither candidate is likely to flip a solid red state so it's all about holding our blue states and flipping enough toss up state to get the majority in the EC

See my (longish) analysis here
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4289941&mesg_id=4289941

In the latest Rasmussen Poll...

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/

LInked to in this thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4288943

great. lets pick a loser at this critical point in time. Wouldn;t want to secure an easy victory to help our future generations... more important to "make a point" right?

Jeez... No wonder people want to pretend it doesn't matter.

America has not experienced the full brunt of the Hillary or Obama campaigns.

These candidates have practically been cocooned in each state, as they hyperfocus
on voters in those states. Many people have not been fully exposed to either
candidate, and most of the national polls evaporate--and are meaningless after
the Obama, Edwards and Clinton camps roll into town.

Super Tuesday will probably alleviate a lot of that. The country as a whole--will
be more plugged in.

Given all of that---I would say that these Rasmussen numbers mean next to nothing, at this point.

The GE---with our Dem nominee pitted against McCain---will change everything. Each campaign
will become very well known nationally--and the full force of each campaign will be evident
to anyone in America who wants the information. Right now, people aren't tuned in, unless
the campaign has come to your state.

I feel bad for our Dem candidates. They're forced to campaign like hell in these states, and
they have so little time to re-group between states. It's maddening. They scramble to get
their message out. A national campaign will be very different. There will be loads of time
for each candidate to get the message out.

I expect---whoever the nominees are in each party--that this will be a close race.

Gore lost and Kerry lost, and neither was a contentious candidate compared to Barak or Hillary.

This was about pre-defeat of the Democrats by selling them a pipe dream...

As will almost certainly happen in November.

4 or 8 more years of the Bush team with a new baggy face on it.

Well done Democrats!

it's all about framing, individual states, money, etc. That's why the logic about Edwards beating repukes was always so flawed. He would have spent months being framed by the pukes without the resources to fight back.

Would that be us or the R's?

Dems have hugely outraised repukes this year. McCain has big money problems and less than a week to solve them. Romney can flood the airwaves using his own bucks. After they settle on a nom they'll be able to raise more money, but not outraise either Obama or Clinton. Edwards took matching funds and there was never anyway he could have competed.

As for framing- that's what money buys.

the real money comes out when there are two in the race for Pres.

I am sure corps gave BIG to Barak and Hillary because they were buying our defeat in the GE.

It all changes once the nominations are made.

Really, by you disingenuous answer, I have to wonder.... :eyes:

first of all, corporate funding isn't the majority of the funding. And do you even know what it is? Corporations can't give to campaigns, genius.

And believe it or not, there are many people in corporate America who actually support dems over repukes. I know. I come from one of the most CEO laden towns in the country. No, it doesn't all change once the nomination is made. In the last cycle, a sitting president only raised $20 million more than the dem- John Kerry. $255 million for bush, approx 20 million less for JK. That was for the primary race, through the conventions.

You don't have a clue what you're talkiing about.

Obama 3.6%
probability of winning
Mean of 236 electoral votes

McCain
96.0% probability of winning
Mean of 302 electoral votes

http://hominidviews.com/?p=1250

Clinton
Wins 91.7%
Mean of 293 electoral votes

McCain
Wins 7.8%
Mean of 245 electoral votes

http://hominidviews.com/?p=1237