FUCK NADER!

I thought about quitting DU for a while; now I think I will stay if only to bash Nader.

Also, fuck the Corvair he rode in on.

Has Nader been charged with violating any labor laws over the incident? Because if not, I'm simply calling bullshit.

Does he have to be a law-breaker to bust up the union? I don't think so.

I just want to know if the allegations are real or if they're ancient sour grapes that got dismissed in court.

So if someone claims that they are voting FOR Nader, they either approve of everything about him, or are still just taking the lesser of some number of evils according to their view.

are innocent of violating the Constitution.

"No lawsuits? No crime!"

I hadn't thought of that one.

a vote for nader is a vote for mittens or mccain.

;)

"When Kucinich threw in the towel, now you have Edwards gone — who's going to carry the torch of democratic populism against the relentless domination of powerful corporations of our government?" Nader said. "You can't just brush these issues to the side because the candidates are ignoring them."

He has harsh words for the leading Democratic candidates, Sen. Hillary Clinton and Sen. Barack Obama, chastising them for failing to advance aggressive plans to tax corporations more fairly, and to fight for a vastly higher minimum wage.


Obama, he said, is a particular disappointment, since his background suggests that he knows the importance of progressive issues yet hasn't fought for them in the Senate.

"His record in the Senate is pretty mediocre," Nader said. "His most distinctive characteristic is the extent to which he censors himself. He hasn't performed as a really progressive first-term senator would."

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=4215961&page=1

We're all holding the torch to burn down your house, ralph. Sit down and shut up.

Well Edwards is out, and he didn't waste much time did he

:puke: :puke:

Stay out of it Nader!

were delegated to supply shit heads this cycle.

Fuck him gently with a chainsaw!

:)

hehe

Fuck them both.

I'm sure glad he kept that centrist, Al Gore, out of the WH. That's all we needed, a DINO and Clinton-era hack like Al Gore.

What? That's how he was being characterized over at SmirkingChimp.com. It's also how Deaniacs were characterizing Kerry in '04 on this website.

:eyes:

Piss on the left, then blame them for not voting for your candidate. What's wrong with this picture?

No one is "pissing" on the left. And what I described did happen.

A few facts you may not be aware of:

1. Gore and the DNC ran away from the record of the most popular Democratic president in a generation
2. Gore and the DNC picked a right-wing religious fanatic as the veep candidate.
3. Gore and the DNC ignored the MASSIVE, ILLEGAL scrubbing of African Americans from the Florida voter rolls

And even with all that (and more)

4. Gore won.


It's so much easier to hate than to actually remember recent history, isn't it?

I thought I was the one that was going to have to say this.

campaign. It does matter who wins the White House. It matters very much whether it is a Dem or a Repuke.

Man, this is weird...

I'm rec'ing a LoZoccolo thread! :crazy: :P :hi:

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You support Clinton, Clinton is DLC. Thus you are a DLC supporter. Deal with it.

Is that why I accused her of having a secret earpiece and of snubbing Obama?

:kick:

:thumbsup:

bottom line.

:hi:

Ralph, just dry up and blow the FUCK away, you egomaniacal asshole.

I can't bear the thought of another 4 or more years of repuke rule because of FUCKING NADER....

What the hell is wrong with Nader??? Has he not caused enough damage to America already? Did Bill Maher begging him on his knees not to run simply bounce off his inflated ego?

Nader's an asshole, but he's a symptom, not the problem.

to repost your "how should the Naderites and splinterists be dealt with" thread.

Thanks to that SOB, Monkey boy is in the WH! :grr:

Fuck Nader!
:toast:

He's really not my type. But I really wish he would leave the elections alone already.

Not many people care about nader these days

It is very very strange to think of the act of fucking as anything other than wonderful. To use the word to describe a sort of attack is just short of monsterous when you really think about it.

Fuck Nader.

Your prerogative.

Your prerogative.

just vote against him if he runs.

How 'bout that? Looks like he decided "yes"!

Just that he shouldn't. The stakes are way too high. Too many people have been assuming that a Democrat is going to win in November. It is far from a foregone conclusion. And, if a Democrat loses, a Republican WINS! And I truly feel that our country cannot endure 4-8 more years of Republican rule. Even a corporate Democrat is better than a corporate Republican. With Nader running, votes are siphoned away from the more left candidate (the Democrat) thus making it more difficult to get enough votes to be a conclusive win. And, if McCain gets the Republican nomination, it's going to be close.

Why can't we lefties think strategically? This is why we're likely to lose in the long run. And I mean beyond November.

*The Republican nominee WILL BE a ProBusiness, ProWAR, AntiLABOR, Anti-HealthCare (For Profit "Insurance" ONLY), Conservative.

*The Democratic nominee WILL BE a ProBusiness, ProWAR, AntiLABOR, Anti-HealthCare (For Profit "Insurance" ONLY), Conservative.


YES. I see a HUGE opportunity for a ProLABOR, AntiWAR, ProHealthCare, 3rd Party Progressive.

This is NOT Nader's fault.
This is the Democratic Party's fault,
but its much easier to just blame Nader than to fix what is wrong with our Party.
Nader IS the symptom...NOT the problem.

Nader is NOT Superman, though many here paint him as a Superman.
You, and the Democratic Party, are giving away too much power.
Nader is really a wimpy, little NERD.
One wimpy, little NERD could NOT knock the wheels off of the entire Democratic Party if that Party was not broken and weak.

It is really PATHETIC that anyone would blame this wimpy little NERD for the failures of an entire Political Party!

If not Nader, then someone else who represents Americans who Work for a Living.



"There are forces within the Democratic Party who want us to sound like kinder, gentler Republicans. I want us to compete for that great mass of voters that want a party that will stand up for working Americans, family farmers, and people who haven't felt the benefits of the economic upturn."---Paul Wellstone

If no one was listening, you wouldn't be pitching such a fit.

Nader is ONE wimpy little NERD.
Why have you made him so POWERFUL?

From your post:



Opportunity to do WHAT?

Here is what the MAJORITY of Americans (Democrats AND Republicans) want from OUR government!


The problem is NOT Nader.
The problem is that the Democratic Party has moved so far to the RIGHT that it no longer represents the interests of a vast number of Americans.
Sooner or Later, people will stop voting for the Party that keeps fucking them.
Human nature.
If not Nader, then someone else.

Even Al Gore acknowleged this fact in an interview with Jon Stewart.

You still haven't spoken word one of how the fuck voting for Nader's supposed to get any of that either. Do you think that the Republicans are going to give you anything on that list?

he'll run as an independent.

Where is the mystery in all of this?

Certainly our candidates can win despite this, and if not, we certainly cannot say we were blindsided.

:rofl:

but I am recommending it anyway.... ;-)

and recommending it.

:P
:hi:
also, fuck any du'er who contemplates voting for that asshole.

Please repeat as often as necessary.

but if we run REAL Democrats who aren't AFRAID to be Democrats, Nader doesn't do shit.

Would, say, Lamont count?

Sorry, I didn't hear you...

The prime motivation of splinterists is to feel self-righteous. There will never be a suitable candidate because voting with any significant number of people erases the self-righteous feeling. The Greens ran a candidate against Ned Lamont.

You don't have to tell me.

Now what?

I can't think of one person I know who, upon hearing that Nader might run, would say, "Wow! I was thinking of voting for either Obama or Clinton if they got the nomination, but now that Nader's running again, I've got to switch my vote to him!"

Can you?

Bunch of fucking corporate warmongers. Nader doesn't have a chance. Bloomberg is looking better now.

I wish our party was worthy!

:eyes:

Nader is so 2000. Cynthia McKinney is where it's at.

A vote for him is a deathblow to the American working class and labor, and puts us in line for another 8 years of Repug BS. No thanks. Fuck Nader!

For many decades, Ralph was a respected voice. Even in 2000, when I disagreed strongly with his third party action, I could have maintained a level of respect for him. But he was a willing tool of the right, and that I cannot forget or forgive.

As for his supporters, they're adults, and are entitled to support whoever they see fit, but not here, because this is a site to support the Democratic nominee.

Please?

looks like a 'no.'

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I've never wanted to vote for him, either, although what's left on the Democratic table is so unappetizing as to make him look at least passable for the starving.