Oh crap! Just heard on Thom Hartmann neither Obama or Hillary winning against McCain.

avaistheone1

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Wed Jan-30-08 12:36 PM
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Oh crap! Just heard on Thom Hartmann neither Obama or Hillary winning against McCain.

Edited on Wed Jan-30-08 12:42 PM by avaistheone1

Latest polls show neither Obama or Hillary can win against McCain. Sorry I don't have a link. I heard it on Thom's show.

Interesting given that Edwards has been polling consistently for 6 months beating McCain.

We're screwed.

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Seen the light

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Wed Jan-30-08 12:37 PM
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1. Because January polls tell us so much about November.....

Just like the polls last year showing Clinton up by 40 or 50 points everywhere held up...

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SheWhoMustBeObeyed

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Wed Jan-30-08 12:38 PM
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2. Don't live by polls

Especially nine months out from the GE.

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jackson_dem

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Wed Jan-30-08 12:38 PM
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3. This is why the corporations censored Edwards and finally finished him off today

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Bitwit1234

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Wed Jan-30-08 12:38 PM
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4. HUFFPUFF has a poll and Hillary and Obama would beat him.

It has five or six individual polls.

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book_worm

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Wed Jan-30-08 12:39 PM
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5. polls at this stage are meaningless for general election

of course McCain is looking stronger right now because people think his race is basically decided while dems are still going after one another.

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geiger

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Wed Jan-30-08 12:40 PM
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6. As the saying goes, the situation is fluid

FLUID is the only way to characterize what is happening.

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madaboutharry

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Wed Jan-30-08 12:41 PM
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Really, the election is far away.

The American people still think John McCain is a decent guy. I lived in Arizona for a long time and I promise that they will soon find out what a piece of s**t he is. Don't worry about the numbers today. If it makes anyone feel better, I heard Joe Scarborough this morning say that if McCain is elected we will have "less jobs and more wars." All is not lost. :)

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papau

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Wed Jan-30-08 12:41 PM
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7. But the Duke beat Bush41 by 10 ponts in June - aren't polls in Jan important!? :-)

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realFedUp

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Wed Jan-30-08 12:42 PM
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8. The Real McCain website

http://mccain.bravenewfilms.org/

for all the things we've laid aside since
we thought he was toast.
Unfortunately Republicans saw how whacked
their other candidates are and had to
go to their fallback.

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Tesha

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Wed Jan-30-08 12:43 PM
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9. This, unfortunately, isn't news.

It was a keystone of the Edwards campaign, but never
got much "airplay" around here or out in the real world.

Tesha

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ORDagnabbit

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Wed Jan-30-08 12:43 PM
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10. wasnt edwards the only one winning against mccain? n/t

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bullwinkle428

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Wed Jan-30-08 12:43 PM
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11. Lots will be turned off McCain once he picks Huckachuck as Veep

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zulchzulu

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Wed Jan-30-08 12:43 PM
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12. Polls this far out are meaningless

McCain will look like the crotchety war-mongering Ghost of Bush's Past by the fall if he is the nominee. The Iraq War will be hanging from his neck. The costs of the war will be enough to smack him deep into the ground. He's also bound to blow his top and gaffe out...

Obama will beat McCain by 10% easily.

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no_hypocrisy

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Wed Jan-30-08 12:45 PM
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13. Only if both:

A) Polls were reliable, and
B) The election were held today.

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Connie_Corleone

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Wed Jan-30-08 12:46 PM
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14. It is only January. Good grief!

Sour grapes.

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OzarkDem

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Wed Jan-30-08 12:47 PM
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15. Game, set, match

DC Dems are once again preparing to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. They just appear to be making a better organized and well funded effort this time. Looks like they'll finish off the job earlier, too.

My guess is they'll have voters rushing to the GOP before the lights are out after the Dem convention.

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ClericJohnPreston

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Wed Jan-30-08 12:50 PM
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16. You got that right..

As Democrats who want to win, we backed the one horse that would achieve that goal.

The Party has an incredible knack for shooting itself in the foot.

I predicted, in my first week, that sadly, we would have the opportunity to say, "I told you so", to non-supporters of Edwards. Unfortunately, we gain nothing by that pyrhhic victory, because we are losing as well.

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melody

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Wed Jan-30-08 12:57 PM
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17. It is one daily poll

That's it -- the others show the same Dem+ curve we've seen for awhile now.

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Steely_Dan

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Wed Jan-30-08 01:05 PM
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18. Yep...

We didn't need a poll to tell us that.

I stated months ago that McCain would be the nominee for the Repugs...Everyone thought I was crazy.

The regugs woke up to the fact that "experience DOES count."

In addition...there were plently of warnings here that stated the exact position the OP outlines. That is...if it is Hillary or Obama, we would have a race on our hands and that we were risking giving the WH back to the Republicans.

Damn I'm pissed.

-P

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MGKrebs

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Wed Jan-30-08 01:06 PM
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19. Polls don't predict who "can" win.

Whatever poll you are referring to can really only say what MIGHT have happened last week.

Campaigns are designed for the express purpose of changing peoples' minds. There aren't stone tablets with last weeks poll results chiseled into them that are the everlasting truth. If you go back 5 years, the polls weren't even asking about Obama and even if they did no one would have known who he is.

If you are looking for information predicting the future, may I suggest consulting this:
http://www.nostradamus.org/

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in_cog_ni_to

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Wed Jan-30-08 01:07 PM
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20. McCain will never win this election. 100 years in Iraq? I DON'T THINK SO. n/t

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Steely_Dan

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Wed Jan-30-08 01:10 PM
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21. The Repug Machine...

Edited on Wed Jan-30-08 01:11 PM by Steely_Dan

You're right...it IS only January. That gives the Repug machine plenty of time to do what they do best, smear the dems. By the time November rolls around, the electorate will think the Dem nominee is pure evil.

-P

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onenote

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Wed Jan-30-08 01:11 PM
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22. Chill out.

First, polls at this stage are meaningless. Go back in time and look at polls this far from election day(or even closer to election day) and see how they stack up against what happened. I must have missed the Dukakis administration (he once had a 17 point lead in the polls).

Second, if you look at the specific polls, you'll see that almost all of them put McCain v. Obama and McCain v. Clinton within the margin of error.

http://pollingreport.com/wh08gen.htm

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bunkerbuster1

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Wed Jan-30-08 01:14 PM
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23. Oh NOES!!

Seriously, how much does the nation actually know about John McCain, at this point, versus Clinton or Obama?

McCain's been portrayed to the public at large in an almost universally favorable light. Clinton or Obama, not so much. Put some daylight on the man and he won't seem anywhere near so saintly (or "maverick" once the campaign for the general election's under way.

That said, I do think McCain will be the toughest to beat, which is why I continue to hope Mitt wins the nomination (I have every confidence the Guns 'n Jesus bible thumpers will abandon him in droves.)

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