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Girlieman Donating Member (399 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 01:27 PM
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I'm just so disgusted. If the party does not give us decent candidates . . .
Then the party does not deserve our support. Edwards was far from perfect, but he was light years ahead of the "big two." So now we're down to "Bill lite" and "Oprah lite." Watered down republican ideas versus close your eyes and click your heels together.

Four more years of government by the corporations, for the corporations and of the corporations. Way to go Democratic party!

If it weren't for the Supreme Court nominations, I'd vote for any third party instead of the eventual nominee.

Just sign me pissed off.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 01:28 PM
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1. Thank the media while you are at it
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4290226
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 04:49 AM
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38. the media IS the corporations . . . n/t
.
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 01:28 PM
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2. Yep, the party continues to think it can win without the left.
Well, you can't fly with only one wing!! I fear we've just helped elect John McCain.
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 01:30 PM
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7. "Yep, the party continues to think it can win without the left"
Obama's voting record is to the left of Edwards, and Edwards is to the left of Clinton.

The left is winning.
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 01:35 PM
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13. Bipartisanship hardly equals the left winning.
Sorry, I'm not interested in "reaching across the aisle". Obama is naive at best.
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BringEmOn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 12:36 AM
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35. I'm interested in reaching across the aisle...to serve subpoenas
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ThatPoetGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 01:36 PM
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15. And yet Obama's policies and his rhetoric...
are far to the right of either.

Whatever his history, he's telling us he intends to govern like a conservative. I believe him.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 02:28 PM
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32. I fear we've just helped elect John McCain." Since Edwards was the one candidate who could have
beat McCain, you're probably right there.
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 01:29 PM
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3. Sure. So it's a good thing that the party has given us decent candidates then. n/t
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 01:29 PM
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4. Well, I now have settled on a candidate with E's departure, but I think we have great candidates.
Even the one I won't vote for in the primary, I'll vote for in the general if that's what it comes down to.

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LeftCoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 01:30 PM
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5. I think this slate of candidates has been the best the Dems have put forward in 3 decades
Then again, I'm a life-long Democrat.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 01:46 PM
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19. I couldn't agree more
It was a terrific field this year.
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enigmatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 01:56 PM
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21. yep
:thumbsup:
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Tyler Durden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 01:30 PM
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6. Tell me about it.
I ask a lot of questions here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4292114

but I think I'll likely get beat up instead.
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 01:31 PM
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8. The people spoke, John got the message, that's democracy.
Don't blame the party.
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 01:36 PM
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14. He beat Clinton in Iowa. THAT was the message. nt
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 01:56 PM
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22. Obama smoked him in the state he put all his chips in.
He bet it all in Iowa and lost. He was far behind in the other states.
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 01:58 PM
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24. Again, he did better than Clinton, but you wouldn't know it by the media.
Now we're left with two corporate candidates.
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Girlieman Donating Member (399 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 01:43 PM
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17. What people
Iowa
New Hampshire
Nevada
South Carolina.

A fraction of "the people."

Not one large state. Not one large City with an urban population.

The process is deeply flawed and prevents "the people" from really choosing anybody. The media chooses who the front runners are, the process is so dragged out that only those who get early media coverage get money and can afford to stay in for the long run, and the super-delegates act as safeties in case the foregoing does not keep the "wrong type" of candidate out of contention.
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 01:54 PM
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20. This isn't John's first rodeo, he knew what he was getting into.
"The Media" has less control than conspiracy theorists believe. See New Hampshire.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 12:35 AM
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34. in FOUR STATES?
What about the rest of the country? I never got to speak.
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 01:32 PM
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9. Our candidates are excellent nt
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foxer Donating Member (255 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 02:16 PM
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27. Really
http://judicialwatch.org/judicial-watch-announces-list-washington-s-ten-most-wanted-corrupt-politicians-2007
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Auggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 01:33 PM
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10. It's not the party and it's not the media.
It's people. Most do not take the time to research the candidates. They vote for celebrity and familiarity.

That's the disgusting part.
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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 01:33 PM
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11. Dems still offer better choices than the Repubes.
Edited on Wed Jan-30-08 01:35 PM by Lastlaughin08
Hopefully R-money is done, now we've got to focus on the right-wing nominee and defeating him. If it's McCain, the wackos in his own party will help sink him.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 01:35 PM
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12. it's not just "the party"
it's the people within the party too. "The people have spoken, damn them."
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bpeale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 01:37 PM
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16. you're wrong. it's 8 more years, not 4
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foxer Donating Member (255 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 02:20 PM
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28. 16 yrs, McCain is married
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 01:44 PM
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18. The party didn't give us our candidates
voters did.

Sorry your guy didn't make it, but we have two great candidates left.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 01:59 PM
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26. that too.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 01:57 PM
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23. the 'party' gave us gore and kerry too. both liberal. both honorable.
just saying.
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ordinaryaveragegirl Donating Member (853 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 01:59 PM
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25. But either is still better than McCain or Romney.
Nuff said.
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 02:22 PM
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29. "If the Gods Wanted Us to Vote, They'd Give Us Better Candidates" --

that's a book by Jim Hightower, who also wrote another good one: "There's Nothing in the Middle of the Road But Yellow Stripes and Dead Armadillos." He was anti-W before most of America heard of W.

I am also really pissed off that we are down to two candidates after so few primaries, especially since the media have been pimping those two candidates all along.

I think they'll get busy and pimp McCain now and I think I'd rather see Romney nominated because if one of them has to end up in the White House, I don't want it to be McCain.
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busymom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 02:23 PM
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30. All of our candidates are GOOD
Yes, I'm a Clinton supporter...but Edwards was good and so is Obama. The dems had a great field to choose from.
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 02:25 PM
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31. Glad you think so. I'm tired of lesser of two evil voting.

It gets old when you've done it for forty years.
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MattSh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 04:35 AM
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37. Sure are, but...
when the country is facing a recession, minimum, or even a depression, and we're pissing our resources and future in Iraq, maybe GOOD just doesn't cut it this time.

There are times when good just isn't good enough, and this is one of those times...
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TygrBright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 12:30 AM
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33. How about, if "they" don't give "us" decent candidates...
...we take over the Party and give them to ourselves?

When was the last time you went to a County Democratic Committee meeting? When was the last time you ran for office in a local Party organization? Or volunteered to be on the Rules Committee for a Party District Convention?

If you don't like what the Party does, use the energy to get the hell in there and change the PARTY.

If we all did that, the people who are in the catbird seat now would be sitting around bitching on online websites.

And wouldn't that be interesting?

provocatively,
Bright
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 12:46 AM
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36. Like 'em or not, these two are incredibly strong candidates
they are driving turnout numbers we've never seen before and it's a freakin' barnburner of a race. The best in decades, in fact.

Edwards ran a strong race; he could only be beaten by formidable opponents. If they were the dismal sellouts you make them out to be, he'd still be running.
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