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CyberPieHole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 01:40 PM
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Is the Bill/Hillary Clinton Rezko photo for REAL or PHOTOSHOPPED? What say you?


It just doesn't look right to me. There is something about Rezko's pose and the shadows and the strange coloration of the blue velvet curtains behind and just above Rezko's shoulders. The photo surfaced courtesy of Matt Lauer but it has not been dated. Obama has a long standing relationship with the Syrian Slumlord. There is NO known relationship between the Clintons and Rezkos Although, it is possible that Rezko was photographed with the Clintons at some event, this photo does not look like the real McCoy to me. Something about it is fishy. I wonder where Lauer got it and whom would it benefit? I hope that the photo proves to be a fake.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 01:41 PM
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1. If it were fake, I'm sure Hillary would have said that.
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CyberPieHole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 01:59 PM
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13. You may very well be right. Pragmatic.
I haven't read anywhere that Senator Clinton is questioning the photo. But she might.
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cd3dem Donating Member (927 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 02:28 PM
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29. Hillary would have no way of knowing if it were fake
Hillary and Bill have taken so many photos, they would have no idea who they are even standing with...

I have photos of myself with local politicians and it does not mean that if I were to be arrested that they were guilty of squat... it was a ploy of the media to stop the discussion of Obama and Rezco... pure media bias... they are saving it for the general election should Obama get the nod...

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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 01:42 PM
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2. ROFL
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meegbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 02:07 PM
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19. ...
:spray:
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meegbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 01:44 PM
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3. From the photo, Hill and Bill look young ...
and I would think that if someone with a past like his was doing "business" with them, it would have surfaced a long time ago.
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CyberPieHole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 01:58 PM
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11. That is what I think as well...
thanks for posting.:hi:
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 01:46 PM
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4. It looks real to me, and Hillary certainly treated it like a real photo.
Given her hairstyle, this looks like it was taken in 1993 or 1994.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 02:45 PM
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33. It was at a fundraiser where Rezko gave ten grand to Senator Mosley-Braun.
His reward for giving CMB the dough was he got that pic...as did a shitload of other people.

Total time with the Clintons? Three to five seconds!

CLICK! Who loves ya, baby?


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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 01:48 PM
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5. This was early in Clinton's first term.
The Clinton's have had their photo taken with thousands and thousands of people.

Not all were squeaky clean individuals.
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CyberPieHole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 01:57 PM
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10. You are probably correct. I may be grasping at straws, but I won't be surprised...
if it proves to be a fake.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 01:48 PM
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6. It's real, but this asshole was in a line with a THOUSAND other people.
Total time together--three to five seconds.

Now, have a look at THIS picture, and tell me if it has the same flavor:

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CyberPieHole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 01:56 PM
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9. I love that photo of Rezko/Obama together...
where did you link to it? Could you send me a PM with it? Thanks for posting that great pic.:hi:
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 01:58 PM
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12. You can download it from here
Right click and save a copy to your hard drive, or copy it to your favorite online photo storage location.
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CyberPieHole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 02:00 PM
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14. Thanks, MADem...
I'll do that. I thought the pic might have been part of some juicy article or such.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 02:03 PM
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16. Well, I got it some time ago, not sure what the original location was.
It was a piece that did have to do with their eighteen year association with one another, and their intertwined dealings, as well as the charges he is facing for fraud, extortion, and so on.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:32 PM
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55. well---i think i have had nough of photo interpretations for a while.
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goodgd_yall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:49 PM
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57. The Clinton/Rezko photo definitely looks like, "May I have my picture
taken with you, Mr. President, to send to my family in Syria/Lebanon (whereever he's from)?"
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 01:50 PM
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7. Even if it's not, they had no dealings with him.
Did he give a donation to an early presidential campaign? That looks like a donor photo. Are there records of the first campaign? He raises money for Democrats so it's really likely he got himself that photo at a fundraiser. So that would be a "dealing" but hardly a relationship.

What Obama had with Rezko was a long relationship and a mighty big favor when he bought his house. People don't help you out that way unless they're blood relatives, or your best friend, or they want something. To help Obama get the house he wanted, Rezko had his wife buy the adjoining lot for $625,000. That's $382,000 MORE than the land was worth. Do you know any real estate developer who would pay more than twice its value for any piece of land? Meanwhile, Obama was buying his house for $300,000 less than the asking price. Same day, same seller. Even if the extra money for the lot was NOT a laundered payoff to Obama, it was still one hell of a big favor.

Do you really think that photo, faked or true, is the equal to Obama's long relationship with Rezko?
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CyberPieHole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 01:54 PM
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8. I agree with you completely, aquart...
the Obama/Rezko relationship is real and dirty. It will be brought out by the repubs and Obama will be dragged through the mud for it, if he is our candidate.

Still, the photo seems odd and doesn't have the ring of truth to it.
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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 02:02 PM
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15. I would just shut up about this if I were you.
There is a VERY NASTY subtext to Clinton's invocation of Rezko during the MLK day debate. It would be best for her if this were collectively forgotten.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 02:05 PM
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18. I don't think so. Telling people to "shut up" never works, especially when it's perceived to
be part of a not-so-hidden agenda...

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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 02:09 PM
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20. I didn't TELL anyone to shut up
I said "I would shut up if I were you." It's quite different.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 02:11 PM
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21. Unsolicited advice, given using that phrase, is generally taken as subtly threatening or is viewed
as a "dire warning."

So it IS quite different. It has that charming "bulllying" tone that ALWAYS works so very well to rally people to your cause.

:eyes:
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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 02:13 PM
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22. Oh, maybe I should say it more nicely.
The Hillary supporters should shut THE FUCK up about Rezko before someone in the black community calls them out for what they are (unwittingly, perhaps) doing.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 02:19 PM
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24. Woah--now you're playing the RACE card? How....unsubtle?
That's a KEEPER!!! A dramatic threat with RACIAL overtones!!! Wonderfully divisive!!

    Oh, maybe I should say it more nicely.
    Posted by Jed Dilligan
    The Hillary supporters should shut THE FUCK up about Rezko before someone in the black community calls them out for what they are (unwittingly, perhaps) doing.




Which race are you throwing down this time? Is it the 'Black Card' or the 'Arab Card' that you're tossing out, again in a rather threatening fashion?

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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 02:23 PM
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26. I've spoken.
I don't want to be the one to open this can of worms.


You seem angry. Watch your blood pressure. All this anger isn't good for you.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 02:40 PM
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31. You sure HAVE spoken!!!
Don't go to into mind-reading as a profession, now, Amazing Kreskin. It wouldn't pay the bills!!!

:rofl:

I am anything BUT angry. Amazed is probably a better way to describe it. That was QUITE the commentary, there!

A bit surprised at your...transparancy, I must say. And 'not in a good way' either.

But no, not angry. Sorry to disappoint. You know you wanted it.

Put your little crystal balls away before you damage them.

:rofl:
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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 02:42 PM
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32. See post 28 below. nt
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CyberPieHole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:06 PM
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36. Thank you, WIZARD OF OZ.
:hi:
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Politicub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:15 PM
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43. I just checked...
and there's nothing behind the curtain. :)

:rofl:
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CyberPieHole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:17 PM
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45. LOL...
:rofl:
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 02:23 PM
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27. Race card threat? Bully
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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 02:27 PM
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28. I don't care what you think of me
But I would like you to think of her.

Just why did she bring up this "scandal"? Who was her intended audience? What are the associations of her usage of "slumlord"? What kind of name does Rezko sound like? What ethnicity does he look like?

I'll leave it at that. Flame on, sister.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:09 PM
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39. He looks like the ethnicity that he is--he's SYRIAN, born in Aleppo, Syria.
He has a classic Syrian face, in fact.

BUT, only a really dumb RACIST would make the "Muslim" association. See, his name is ANTONIN, AKA TONY....ya know, Saint ANTHONY? The guy is CHRISTIAN. Like many Syrians, as well as millions of other Arabs in other nations, are.

I must say I am a bit astounded at your post, and your additional...inference, there. You'll "leave it at that?" Incredible.

You obviously don't follow along very well, though. This shit didn't come out of the blue, and it has nothing to do with race or religion, either. It has to do with an eighteen year relationship with a SLEAZY guy who is under indictment for fraud, corruption, extortion, and so on.

See, a lot of Obama's state legislative correspondence, has, a-la-Dick-Cheney, DISAPPEARED!! Gone! Shredded? Burnt?

Many people think a lot of that correspondence has to do with none other than special favors asked for Tony Rezko's real estate/slumlord efforts. They're still trying to track those documents down, because they think they will be very "instructive" and not in a good way. It's a long shot--you figure there are always at least two copies of most documents, and if both parties managed to have a Burn Bag party, well, that stuff is up in smoke like the plume from a coal-fired factory!

No one is declaring that Obama "did anything wrong." There's no evidence of that, because there's no paperwork that can be found. This speaks more to judgment, along with that curious land deal.

To be accurate, Patrick Fitgerald hasn't said much of anything. He usually manages to be very taciturn ahead of a trial:

    Obama is not named in the Dec. 21 court document. But a source familiar with the case confirmed that Obama is the unnamed “political candidate” referred to in a section of the document that accuses Rezko of orchestrating a scheme in which a firm hired to handle state teacher pension investments first had to pay $250,000 in “sham” finder’s fees. From that money, $10,000 was donated to Obama’s successful run for the Senate in the name of a Rezko business associate, according to the court filing and the source.

    Rezko, who was part of Obama’s senatorial finance committee, also is accused of directing “at least one other individual” to donate money to Obama and then reimbursing that individual — in possible violation of federal election law.

    A spokesman for U.S. Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald declined to comment.

    Obama — a state senator when he got the contributions in 2004 — has moved to distance himself from Rezko since his longtime friend and supporter was indicted in October 2006. After news reports that Obama had engaged in a real estate transaction with Rezko’s wife at a time Tony Rezko was known to be under investigation, the senator called the episode “boneheaded” and “a mistake.”
    http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obama/749138,obama20web.article


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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:14 PM
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42. Well, that's not what I thought when I first heard of him
and saw his face. And Clinton knows most people aren't reading newspapers or surfing the web to get their facts straight.

I'm out of this one... I don't think the scandal has much potential to damage Obama. But I really don't want it coming up in a Clinton GE campaign.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:12 PM
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41. Oh lord
Nobody's really that dumb.

She brought it up because it's negative toward Obama, and she's running against him.

She didn't use "slumlord". She said "slum landlord", because that's what Rezko is. Any associations are entirely in your own fevered imagination.

It's Hillary's fault that he has the name and looks he has? The name doesn't have any particular ethnic "sound" to me, but he's Syrian. I never would've guessed.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:23 PM
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50. For same reason Obama brought up Wal-Mart. Peace.
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CyberPieHole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:04 PM
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35. You forgot the "SNAPS" for drama.
I suppose YOU speak for the "black community"?:rofl:
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:26 PM
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52. You are assuming they are with this satement: calls them out for what they are


Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jan-30-08 01:13 PM
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22. Oh, maybe I should say it more nicely.

The Hillary supporters should shut THE FUCK up about Rezko before someone in the black community calls them out for what they are (unwittingly, perhaps) doing.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:32 PM
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56. uh, what you are talking about? nt
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 02:18 PM
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23. Give it up, Shillbot. Patrick Fitzgerald has not accused Obama of wrongdoing.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 02:21 PM
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25. SHILLBOT? That's PRICELESS, too!!! Did you leave your "Politics of Hope" at home?
:rofl:


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CyberPieHole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:02 PM
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34. Thanks, but I'll do as I please. Telling people to "shut up" works wonders, you see.
Rezko is a slumlord who lived off of AA tenants. The one who wants this to be forgotten (and there is NO chance of that) is Obama. But thanks for your concern.:hi:
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:22 PM
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49. are you into starting up dangerous Rovian whisper rumors?:
Just asking.

15. I would just shut up about this if I were you.

There is a VERY NASTY subtext to Clinton's invocation of Rezko during the MLK day debate. It would be best for her if this were collectively forgotten.
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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:25 PM
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51. It was stirring this shit that was Rovian
I'm just pointing it out.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:29 PM
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53. following someone jumping off a cliff not wise---in my opine
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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:31 PM
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54. ?
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 02:03 PM
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17. it`s not fake and it does`t mean anything
it was a cheap gotcha` moment in this sordid campaign brought to us by the msm.
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cd3dem Donating Member (927 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 02:30 PM
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30. my money would say it is a fake... look at the lighting around Hillary
my daughter did modeling as a baby... it is amazing what they can do with a photo....
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CyberPieHole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:08 PM
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38. Thanks, I think so too. We shall find out soon enough if it's the real turtle soup or only the mock
:hi:
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cd3dem Donating Member (927 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:22 PM
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48. someone found it rather quickly to stop the Rezco shit from hitting the fan
this was the only way the media could justify not covering the story...

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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:08 PM
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37. It sort of looks like a photoshop but it doesn't really matter.
Rezko has nothing to do with Bill or Hillary Clinton.
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CyberPieHole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:11 PM
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40. We all know that Obama and Rezko were in "bed" together...
Michelle and Obama's greed got them involved in the property deal...still, if the photo is a fake, I think it should be exposed as one. It seems as if some Clinton supporters here on DU think it's probably real but insignificant.
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cd3dem Donating Member (927 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 04:13 PM
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59. if you look at the Obama finances... and the money made from Rezco on their property deal
makes you wonder what he would do with more experience and more connections as president!
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:15 PM
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44. Oh people, enough already!!!!!
Do you know how many thousands of photos presidents and first ladies pose for in their years in office? Literally in the hundreds of thousands.

This picture was taken in Chicago at a fund raiser for Sen. Moseley Braun. The Clintons have no relationship whatsoever with Rezko.

That's it, end of story!!!!!!!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:18 PM
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46. oh so so true.--I hope people open your post and read it.
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:22 PM
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47. I'll look at it and let you know...
Edited on Wed Jan-30-08 03:22 PM by 1corona4u
I have tools for this...
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cd3dem Donating Member (927 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 04:02 PM
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58. Something about this one is fishy too, what does everyone think?


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CyberPieHole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 08:31 PM
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61. Oh, I know. I know!!!
Bush's breast~esses aren't as shapely?
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:16 PM
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60. It's a fake, I posted about it...in GDP
I'll explain the best I can in layman terms. When you layer something onto a photo, you have basically one option to remove the excess of the top layer. If you lay something onto a photo, to avoid having it conspicious, you need to 'erase' the excess. In the Rezko/Clinton photo, the person who did it, did not do a very good job of erasing escess. I looked for the cleanest example of the photo I could find on the internet, because some of the copies are very dirty, pixel wise.

Exhibit 1.


Here is the full photo I used, untouched by me;




Ehxibit 2.

If I take that same photo into PSP, and lighten it, color and gamma, so as to enhance the background, you see this;



Exhibit 3.

Blowing it up and examining the background, we see this;



Exhibit 4.
Now, if you look at the shoulder area of BC, you will see that the curtain has been laid on TOP of his shoulder;



And the same area, even larger;




So, in my opinion, and I do graphics all day, every day, it's been doctored. I think what they did was, took the entire top part of the photo, imposed Rezko's head onto that part, merged it, in a single image, then tried to match it up on the original photo. The reason they would do this is, because once those layers are merged,(say the head area)it becomes harder to see where said piece was joined. But, in this case, they didn't bother to clean up the rough edges around the part of the top half, they laid on top of the original. They would know peope would be looking at the face/head areas, so they went wider/deeper.

You can also see the hard-line of color on Rezko's collar;



There's absolutely no reason for there to be a color change on a hard line, under Rezko's chin. Not even a shadow falls in a dead straight line.



Nope, someone doctored it. Now if I could just find the original Rezko photo.....
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CyberPieHole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 08:33 PM
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62. Thanks, 1corona...
I think it's kinda fishy...though if it is INDEED a fake why have the Clintons not called it such? They must have looked at it closely? Thanks for posting.:hi:
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 08:39 PM
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65. Perhaps they haven't called it a fake because it isn't,
Edited on Wed Jan-30-08 08:39 PM by Occam Bandage
and 1corona4u doesn't know a JPEG artifact from his ass.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 08:36 PM
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63. Fake.
From what I saw in the other thread, an obvious fake from the Obama Swiftboat thugs.
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calmblueocean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 08:38 PM
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64. I think the Bill Clinton in that photo is a robot duplicate.
Why not? If we're just going to blue-sky speculate.

No, I don't think the photo is fake, although many wish it were.
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