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Labors of Hercules Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 01:57 PM
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No REALLY... Why did Edwards withdraw?
Edited on Wed Jan-30-08 02:08 PM by Labors of Hercules


I'm worried that this is truly a personal decision and not a politically motivated one.
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sunonmars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 01:58 PM
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1. I'm curious about his word "suspend" my campaign, that seemed odd
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incapsulated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 01:59 PM
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3. It's a technicality so he can continue to pay his staff
That is all.

He dropped out because he isn't winning.
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MrCoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 02:00 PM
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6. Someone said he was suspending the campaign so he could continue to pay staffers
I have no idea if that's true or not.
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movonne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 01:58 PM
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2. What do you think???....
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quinnox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 01:59 PM
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4. I'm baffled
I don't know, I expected him to stay till the end.
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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 01:59 PM
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5. Beats me. He certainly gave no reason in his speech.
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incapsulated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 02:01 PM
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11. Neither do most of them
I don't remember a candidate saying "why" they were dropping out in a speech. It's usually not something you want to talk about, "I'm dropping out because I'm getting hammered".

They want to end on a positive note.
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Labors of Hercules Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 02:03 PM
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14. This was a little different though...
He was ADAMANT about staying through the convention regardless.
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hisownpetard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 02:07 PM
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16. Yes, he was; and I believed him and supported him. Therefore, I think he owes it
to all his supporters to explain why he decided NOT to go all the way to the convention,
whatever the reason may be.

That was a big let-down, I must say.
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Labors of Hercules Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 02:10 PM
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20. I just have a feeling...
That John and Elizabeth made this decision for personal reasons. I am really concerned for them.
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 02:26 PM
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26. I called Edwards headquarters and the voice mail box is full.
I hope we get some answers too. I think the world of John Edwards, but I do think we need some answers.


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LibraLiz1973 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 02:28 PM
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28. I emailed
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incapsulated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 02:09 PM
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18. Well....
Sometimes that is easier to say than to do.

I'm sure everyone feels they are never going to drop out, it's hard to continue on with a defeatist attitude.

Look, if his internal polls were showing bad numbers, it would be a good idea to get out now.

If he chooses to endorse someone now, before Tuesday, it gives him a lot of power, short term.
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Tom Strong Donating Member (334 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 02:00 PM
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7. No $. n/t
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Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 02:00 PM
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8. money and tea leaves
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 02:00 PM
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9. "Suspend?"
Well, he's still on the ballot, isn't he? He could still end up with delegates, couldn't he? Haven't a lot of people pre-voted in some of the Super Tuesday states? Could that be a factor?
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 02:01 PM
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12. "Suspend"
allows him to continue to pay those who are working for him until they find other employment.
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goodhue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 02:00 PM
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10. Presumably he realized that he was not going to win
And as he said he did not want to stand in way of history
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 02:03 PM
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13. I think he is a man of principles and rather than continue
to spend the hard earned money of his supporters on a losing cause, he withdrew. He knew that more and more the race is between Hillary and Barack and he wants the Democratics to win the GE and make history. I think he made a deal to drop out if he got the promise of both candidates to further the cause of wiping out poverty.

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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 02:10 PM
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19. that's my take too; I hope you are right.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 02:06 PM
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15. It's a strategic move on his part...
Edited on Wed Jan-30-08 02:07 PM by TwoSparkles
...in addition to an acknowledgment that he wasn't going to win.

After losing in South Carolina, Edwards knew that he was done.

He also knows that by dropping out, he can use his endorsement to force
Obama and Hillary to make Edwards issues central to their campaign. He
also knows that as both candidate court (and probably have been
courting) Edwards, he has leverage to attain a high-level cabinet position
or be the vp.

Going into Super Tuesday with Edwards endorsement, would be a coup for
one of the candidates.

Edwards has the power to decide who are nominee is, and he knows that.

Edwards is a decent and passionate man. He cares deeply about the
issues of poverty and economic inequity. He will endorse the candidate
who will allow Edwards to continue the fight--most likely as part of
an administration in a powerful position.

The Edwards endorsement will be major. It will be a calling to his
supporters, to continue the fight with a candidate that Edwards believes
will carry on his agenda.

I imagine he'll do this before Super Tuesday.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 02:12 PM
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21. Promises during campaigns are worthless
and no doubt Edwards knows that too.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 02:21 PM
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24. No doubt that Edwards knows this...
...and there is no doubt that Edwards will not throw away the power he
has now.

He's not going to get a promise...or some kind of "wink and nod" rhetoric.

Edwards will endorse someone when he is absolutely reassured that they
will make him a critical part of their administration.

I imagine that the Edwards endorsement will be more than him standing alone
saying he likes one of the candidates better. It will be more like the Kennedy
endorsement. He will endorse someone, with that candidate standing by his side,
and with specific, very-public assurances from the candidate that John will
play a pivotal role in that person's administration.

You're right. Edwards is no fool.
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lvx35 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 02:09 PM
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17. Are you talking about the cancer maybe? nt
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Labors of Hercules Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 02:16 PM
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23. yes. I'm talking about Elizabeth's health and their family.
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calmblueocean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 02:14 PM
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22. My sense is bad polling data for Super Tuesday -- I think he didn't want to squander the gravitas he
had been able to build over the past 6 years of running for president by going out with low poll numbers nationwide.

That's my guess, anyway. I feel like it's the only thing other than Elizabeth's health that explains such a rapid pullout with no endorsement.
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whometense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 02:23 PM
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25. I don't have a link,
but Stephanie Miller had some kind of comment from the campaign that it had absolutely nothing to do with Elizabeth's health.
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LibraLiz1973 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 02:27 PM
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27. I at least expected him to stay in through next week.
This is a fucking real head twister.
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balantz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 02:32 PM
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29. CNN reports his aides saying that it wasn't money, but lack of media coverage
Edwards' message wasn't getting in the media.

This link has the info about what his aides said: http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/01/30/edwards/index.html

The public have been consistantly told about Clinton and Obama again and again, but hardly a mention of Edwards. Many DUers argue this is not the case, but there are also many of us who have been watching this happen for months now.

Who owns the media? Who was John going to fight?
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Reader Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 02:32 PM
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30. His speech created more questions than it answered, didn't it?
I put my heart and soul into this guy, and he promised to fight all the way to the convention, and then he does this? Now?

I just don't understand. And I want to. But he's not giving us anything.
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