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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:39 PM
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"I'm going to do everything in my power to make sure that he does not endorse Hillary Clinton."
The Mudcat lobby: Stop Hillary



Edwards advisor Mudcat Saunders, tribune of the working-class rural white guy, on MSNBC not long ago:

I can't speak for John. I can say this that, you know, being a southerner, being a rural American who's been completely devastated by the trade policies of the Clintons, I'm going to do everything in my power to make sure that he does not endorse Hillary Clinton.

He says it's about NAFTA, and the 22nd Amendment. Full transcript after the jump.

Norah O'Donnell: Clearly, both Clinton and Obama are courting Edwards'
endorsement. Mudcat, who do you think it's more likely he would
endorse?

Mudcat Saunders: Well, you know, you'd have to ask John that. I got
off the phone with him this morning and, heck, I talked to him longer
than usual. I think today John is really interested in making sure
that his staff is okay because, you know, there are a lot of
passionate people on this staff. But, you know, I can't speak for
John. I can say this that, you know, being a southerner, being a rural
American who's been completely devastated by the trade policies of the
Clintons, I'm going to do everything in my power to make sure that he
does not endorse Hillary Clinton.

Norah: And why is that? That you're going to do everything in your
power to make sure that John Edwards does not endorse Hillary Clinton?

Mudcat: Well, because I believe in the 22nd amendment to the
constitution and I think that this thing is in violation of it.

Norah: Mean having -

Mudcat: Like I said, that when I'm traveling now up through north
Georgia, passing towns and be going through South Carolina and turn
over into the Appalachians and everything looks like, you know,
Sherman went through it but didn't burn thing, I think there is
accountability involved there. For Hillary Clinton to continue to talk
about the unintended consequences of NAFTA -- they weren't unintended,
they were unconsidered. You know, we all heard about the giant sucking
sound when they first started talking about this. I just don't think
the Clintons have been a friend of my people out in rural America.


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DinahMoeHum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:42 PM
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1. Link, please.
Thanks.
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rox63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:45 PM
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3. I saw it here
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neutron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 04:10 PM
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24. Daily Kos? That's a Joke
Edited on Wed Jan-30-08 04:28 PM by neutron
They SELL their endorsements in case you haven't noticed.
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rox63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 04:13 PM
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25. It's a direct quote from an MSNBC interview
Another poster in this thread said she saw it live on tv.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:48 PM
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9. I heard him say it live on MSNBC
There's another thread around here where several others reported the same thing.

He did say it.
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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 04:06 PM
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19. Here it is.
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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:44 PM
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2. He doesn't need to be saying this
work this stuff out behind the scenes, but don't make it public. This is bad for the party.
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knight_of_the_star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:45 PM
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4. No its not
Bad for Hillary is not the same as bad for the party.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:46 PM
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6. Bingo.
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:48 PM
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8. exactly Knight
anything bad about HRC is akin to supporting the terrorists to her supporters and surrogates-been there-done that
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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:54 PM
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11. I'm not going that far
but I wish this happened behind closed doors and not in public. I think that anything negative towards democratic candidates in general hurts us.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 04:07 PM
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22. If it happened behind closed doors nobody would hear it. He WANTS people to get the message
Edited on Wed Jan-30-08 04:08 PM by jenmito
obviously. It doesn't hurt "us," it hurts Hillary and helps Obama.
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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:20 PM
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27. I would have prefered he promote Obama
instead of taking down Clinton. I understand what he's trying to do, but there is a different way about doing it. I'm an Obama supporter by the way.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 04:32 PM
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26. Exactly
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:47 PM
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7. Yep. He has a potential conflict of interest
Mudcat needs a new job.

To me it is arrogant for him to be speaking out in public about how he intends to lobby his own boss. I don't care WHAT he says in private to Edwards - in fact as someone involved in the political process for what I assume to be the right reasons, he has an obligation to tell Edwardss exactly what he thinks and why.

This though is different. Mudcat is an employee of John Edwards but he is acting like he was outside of the Edwards campaign attempting to pressure Edwards into supporting his own way of thinking. It IS fine for people who are NOT part of the Edwards campaign to lobby Edwards. But for his employee to go to the public airwaves to make a case why Edwards would be wrong to make a certain choice is unseemly at the least. I am not talking about the arguments Mudcat is making, just him going public with it when Edwards himself has not indicated what choice he will make and why. I would feel the same if Mudcat were arguing againt Obama here.

Now what happens if by some chance Edwards decides to endorse Hillary? That would mean that Mudcat already threw public mud on Edwards for making the wrong choice. That is certainly not showing loyalty to John Edwards.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:54 PM
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12. yes it is
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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 04:06 PM
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20. What about it being bad for the poor and working class?
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KennedyGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:46 PM
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5. Criticism...From mudflap?...big whoop.
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busymom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:50 PM
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10. dirty politics?
Can you imagine if a big Clinton person had said this?
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:56 PM
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13. oh you mean
like they've been doing all along?
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:59 PM
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15. More like honest opinion...n/t
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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 04:07 PM
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21. A Clinton person telling the truth? No I don't think so.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:58 PM
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14. oh boy.
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yodermon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 04:04 PM
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16. 22nd amendment? First I'd heard this one brought up.
good grief.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 04:05 PM
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18. really?
we have a joker here who sincerely believes the 22nd amendment prevents her from holding office.
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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 04:04 PM
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17. It's amazing how the Clintons tout their experience in selling
out the poor and middle class. FINALLY someone who tells it like it is.

So the Clintons pushed through NAFTA. Were they too stupid or just too callous? Either way, they are unfit to lead this country. The same could be asked about her war vote.
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Hieronymus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 04:08 PM
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23. I certainly agree with Mudcat ..
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