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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:55 PM
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Campaign has one too many Clintons
In this time of strife among Democrats, it’s good to know that so many of the nation’s deepest political thinkers have the party’s interests at heart.

Writing in The Wall Street Journal, former Reagan speech writer Peggy Noonan laments that “the Clintons are tearing the party apart. It will not be the same after this.” True, the same column contends that “George W. Bush destroyed the Republican Party,” but that’s for another day. In The Washington Post, Robert Novak warns that the primary contest between Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama “is fraught with peril for the Democratic party coalition because it threatens to alienate its essential African American component.”

That would break Novak’s adamantine heart. On MSNBC, the brows of former Florida GOP Congressman Joe Scarborough and one-time “morality czar” (and casino habitué ) Bill Bennett are permanently furrowed. On the same network, virtually every pundit who discussed the South Carolina primary did so in racial, or, if you prefer, demographic, terms. The Washington Post’s estimable African American columnist Eugene Robinson started on the evening of the New Hampshire primary. He wondered aloud if Clinton’s surprise victory resulted from the “Bradley effect,” i. e., white voters speaking well of a black candidate, but yielding to racist impulses in the darkness of the voting booth.

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Harkening to a theme that pundits had pushed since New Hampshire, MSNBC broke down South Carolina’s exit polls by race even before actual results came in. Every newspaper account I read stressed Obama’s winning 80 percent of the African American vote.

On TV, the usual talking heads—Chris Matthews, Howard Fineman, Margaret Carlson et al. —were partying like it was January 1998, when the Monica Lewinsky story broke and the Clinton presidency was presumed DOA. So somebody sticks a camera in Bill’s face, asks him an insulting question, and he reminds them that Jesse Jackson won the South Carolina primary twice, but never the nomination.

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That set off racial sensitivity alarms throughout the media and even certain normally more sensible precincts of the liberal blogosphere. Bill Clinton had played the race card ! Hands were wrung. Lamentations filled the air. Because as we all know, Jackson (who supports Obama ) exists in only one dimension, blackness; therefore, any / all references to his political career constitute bigotry. Everybody else can spend hours parsing racial demographics, but not Bill Clinton. Except Jackson himself didn’t object. Neither did Obama.

I’m with Congressional Quarterly columnist Craig Crawford, who told Joe Scarborough: “I really think the evidence-free bias against the Clintons in the media borders on mental illness. I mean, I think when Dr. Phil gets done with Britney, he ought to go to Washington and stage an intervention at the National Press Club.... e’ve gotten into a situation where if you try to be fair to the Clintons, if you try to be objective, if you try to say, ‘Well, where’s the evidence of racism in the Clinton campaign ?’ you’re accused of being a naïve shill for the Clintons.”

But I’d also say this: Somebody needs to put the Big Dog back on the porch. His attacks on Obama are unbecoming in a former president; people are tired of the Clinton melodrama; and the bigger he looms, the smaller Hillary looks.

http://www.nwanews.com/adg/Editorial/215251/print/


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nightrider767 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:58 PM
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1. Bill's gonna end up doing more damage than good... n/t
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Bicoastal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 04:01 PM
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3. End up? He more or less singlehandedly cost her South Carolina. nt
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 04:06 PM
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6. enough with blaming bill for all--obama used his blackness and media
hypersentized every angel of every word.



Hill as well used her womanness to lure women.
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neutron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 04:08 PM
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7. Bill is a great asset and
a great resource for this party.
Stop parroting the mediocre asses who are jealous.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 04:21 PM
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11. you talking to me? I certainly was NOT parroting.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 04:26 PM
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14. When the FUCK has Bill Clinton stood up for the Democratic party since leaving office?
when has he been an actual WORKING asset to the Democrats?

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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 12:25 AM
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21. Mr. Neutron always pops into threads in the first two or three responses.
Makes a hit against opponents of Sen Clinton. Edits most of his posts, not sure why???? Then goes to another post. Never responds to those that question his motives. He has stated he doesn't like KO or DailyKOS but does support Fox News. I think he likes Sen Clinton until the general then he likes McCain. Just sayin
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bellasgrams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 04:19 PM
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10. He didn't cost her anything. It was a given that BO would win there.
She didn't even stay there and campaign.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 04:27 PM
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15. she left last few days when polling shifted from underneath her. Please state facts.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 03:58 PM
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2. Oh, but Obama has Oprah and so many Kennedys.
As for "The Clinton melodrama," that's an opposition talking point. An attempt to alter perception. And it is working very well, I see.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 04:02 PM
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4. where is bill lately?
But I’d also say this: Somebody needs to put the Big Dog back on the porch. His attacks on Obama are unbecoming in a former president; people are tired of the Clinton melodrama; and the bigger he looms, the smaller Hillary looks.
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 04:12 PM
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8. Think he is in illinois today
hes still on stage.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 04:22 PM
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12. yes, he is on stage just had not heard . thanks
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 04:41 PM
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18. and that's from his friend
nothing like constructive criticism :)
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 04:05 PM
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5. Yup. That's what the repukes always say. They are scared shitless of a Clinton run.
GAME OVER for them.
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Yossariant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 04:15 PM
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9. Kristol, Goldberg, Noonan -- neocons shilling for Barack just in the past two days here.
Edited on Wed Jan-30-08 04:15 PM by Yossariant
IS ANYONE GETTING THE MESSAGE?

:think:
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 04:23 PM
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13. only that Obama has the several RW pundits routing for him and du members
here who lap up everything they say.
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Yossariant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 04:41 PM
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19. Touting the candidate of their choice -- Barack, the weak Democrat.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 04:27 PM
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16. Why should I care what Novak and Noonan
have to say?

Why do YOU care what they say?
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 04:42 PM
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20. the author of this story is Gene Lyons
who wrote "Hunting of the President"
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coco77 Donating Member (966 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 04:28 PM
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17. Maybe that is what we will need ...
after all the damage that bushco has done...
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tishaLA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 12:58 AM
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22. I think this is more or less right, but he's more sympathetic
to Craig Crawford than I think Crawford deserves.
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