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zabet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 04:48 PM
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I Have No Candidate
Every choice of candidate I have made
since the beginning has not been whether
or not I personally liked the candidate -
not according to the gender, not according
to race, not according to popularity, those
are selfish choices. The correct choice, for me,
is to vote for the candidate who can do the
most good for the country as a whole.

I based my initial choice of Biden on
the simple fact of his foreign relations
experience and expertise. With the way
things are for the US globally, Joe would
have been very, very valuable in office.

Biden dropped out and I started leaning towards
Edwards. I honestly believe he is the truest
candidate the Dems had, true to himself, true to
his party and country and true to his values. Sadly,
another choice for the greater good gets lost
in the American idol style of presidential campaigns
we have now.

I look at Obama and I see a Junior Senator. Sorry,
I started watching him last election and think he
is a little too green and a little too arrogant to
do all the 'reaching across' that he talks about.
I also am worried about all the hope and change he
talks about, worried about how he even begins to think
that he will get support from the repukes on anything he
wants to change from the status quo. He will have to have
some repuke support to accomplish anything...just look at
the Dem Congress if you do not believe that.

I look at Hillary and I, for one, do not see her husband.
Being the political junkie I am, I am fully aware that she
did not stay home and bake cookies during her stint as First
Lady. Yes, her healthcare program during that time may have
failed but, she had the foresight to know that America needed
to have Healthcare revamped years ago. On the other hand, I
still worry about the media and the right wing crucifying her
at every turn.

The main difference between Hillary and Obama is, when reaching
across the aisle, Obama will get his fingers bitten while Hillary
will have a switchblade up her sleeve to keep the repuke slime at bay.

I am at a loss. DUers have gotten so petty and childish in
their support of their candidates, they cannot even carry on
a political discussion with out it devolving into name-calling.

These are my opinions, my point of view. If you do not agree with
them, fine, good for you for thinking for yourself.

If you wish to reply stating why I should support one candidate over
the other, please be adult and do it without the slime attacks over the
other candidate.

Thanks. There is nothing sadder than a political junkie without
a horse in the race. :cry:
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no name no slogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 04:50 PM
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1. It can be a VERY good thing
If you don't have a horse in the race, you can see the good and bad things about each one. Your view isn't jaundiced by partisanship.

This is the first year in awhile where I didn't have an overwhelming attachment to a candidate, and it's been great.
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 04:57 PM
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6. THAT is really good advice ...
... not just for the OP, but for everyone.
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no name no slogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 04:59 PM
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9. Thank you, Nance
coming from you that is high praise, indeed! :D
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:07 PM
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13. I was truly struck by the inherent wisdom there ... well done.
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Mojambo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 04:59 PM
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8. Yeah, I'm starting to feel a bit liberated myself
I don't support either Obama or Clinton, but will obviously vote for either one in the general.

It's nice to be able to sit back and analyze the situation coldly until the general.

I certainly don't envy the Obama and Clinton supporters who have to continue pushing forward into this bloodbath.
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zabet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:16 PM
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15. I see your point and agree.
Still there is nothing like
standing behind a candidate
that you support and believe
in totally.

I will admit it has kept me a
little more objective in my views
of the 'scandal du jour' that is
inevitably thrown out at any and
every chance.

I still want a candidate I can
believe in. I do not want to just
vote for a Dem as some sort of self
consolation.
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no name no slogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:53 PM
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18. Candidates like that don't come around too often
The last time I felt that way about one was Dennis Kucinich in 2004.

Before that it was Paul Wellstone in 1990. And even then, Wellstone disappointed me several times when he was in the Senate.

I was a big Dukakis supporter in 1988 (precinct captain, state convention delegate), but by the time the General Election rolled around I was so mad at his rotten campaign that I did all I could to vote for him.

I hope you find another candidate to believe in some day. Who knows, it may even happen this year (there's a lot of local races going on) :thumbsup:
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 04:50 PM
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2. With you, CJ
I was for Biden, then Edwards, also. I just don't get it, but what can we mere mortals do? :shrug:
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zabet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:11 PM
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14. Right now,
all we can do is sit
back and watch at this point.
I will vote Dem, that is all
I can promise.
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Ninga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 04:51 PM
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3. We have become the "Jerry Springer Show" of politics. So busy sticking our noses into everybody
else's business that we wouldn't know a pile of crap if we stepped in it.


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Mojorabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 04:56 PM
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4. You are right about Hillary
but I wouldn't rule out Obama. Chicago politics are no walk in the park. I made up my mind in the voting booth when it came to crunch time. I would have loved to have Dennis or Biden but it was not meant to be.
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 04:57 PM
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5. I listen to Nicole Sandler, a radio host, in the a.m. (Miami, 940 WINZ)...
... She said that both, Clinton and Obama are worlds better than even the most innocuous Republican. Both are similar (she said) in their beliefs. No, we're probably not going to jump from the fascist near-dictatorship and land softly into a true, egalitarian democracy where there's compassion and fairness. However, it's going to start our process.

I used to be the sort of person that just wanted to enjoy life and not get involved in anything. I now realize that that sort of thinking is what allowed Republicans to take over all government seats we from school boards on up, because we Dems were too lazy to get out there and run for little offices, or ask to be named to whatever post, or even sit home and write letters protesting things.

Now we know that the Constitution does not protect us from harm. It's merely an instrument to be used as a light guide, but fascism can still take over our country.

Let's vote for whoever gives us a little more trust, and then get involved in the process of governing this country ourselves by joining school boards, library boards, attending local city hall meetings, etc. etc. Let's take this country back from the fascists that did so much harm to this country. That requires us to worry less about *which* Democrat to pick, so long as we pick one that will win. The most important work lies with us. We have to take our country back.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 04:58 PM
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7. It's also quite liberating not to have a dog in this fight
because there is no way I can take umbrage at any of the pack of lies each side will undoubtedly start flinging at the other. They can toss poo out of their cages with abandon. My blood pressure will remain low. I might even be able to bag the lisinopril by November.

The candidate covered in less poo will be the nominee I will vote for. Voting for a GOP is as unthinkable as staying home in a fit of pique. There is simply too much at stake, and a weak candidate on our side is always better than an openly hostile one on theirs.

So I shall remain far above the affray, serene in the knowledge that whatever happens now will not be my fault.

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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:02 PM
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11. ...
:thumbsup:
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DinahMoeHum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:03 PM
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12. Same here - my priority is in getting down-ballot Dem candidates
into office (US Senate, US House, State Senate, State Assembly, Secretaries of State (the vote protectors). Etc.

Vote progressive in the primaries - vote Democratic in the general election.

:kick::kick::kick:
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lastliberalintexas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 06:52 PM
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21. And I'll probably not waste as much time here
as I had been. Once this place becomes the cage fight between Clinton and Obama supporters that it is meant to be, I can't imagine looking any further than LBN. And that will be good for me!
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 06:59 PM
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24. Check out the topic forums and the groups, too.
That's already where I spend most of my time.
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MrsBrady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:01 PM
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10. i'm in the same boat as you...
i was for DK, then edwards.....

one day I lean toward Hil, then the next Obama.

Like you, I feel that Hil can stave off the repukes, but too much sexism may exist within our own party...not just the repukes.

Barak...I've never seen people so "into" someone like that. I get excited about it, then it sort of also worries me.
He may be able to win over more republicans, but I don't think "real lefties" are that thrilled about him.

I don't think I'll be able to decide until I have to in March.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:17 PM
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16. Sad and a pity, we'll concede the race to McCain then now, is that what you all want?
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zabet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:36 PM
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17. Who said anything about conceding?
I said I would vote Dem
but, there was not a candidate
left that I could really feel
good about.

Voting Dem is not conceding,
refusing to vote would be as
would voting Repuke.
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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 06:48 PM
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19. Wait, isn't the title of this thread "I have no candidate'?
I have a candidate, his name is Al Gore, but he's a bit busy this time around, so I'll support our NOMINIEE, no matter whom they may be.

I have no candidate. My God, what a terrible way to feel.
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zabet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 07:14 PM
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27. My candidate would be Al...
if he was running.
The statement, 'I have no
candidate' means that I cannot
give passionate support to those
who are left in the running.
As I said before, all I can
promise is that I will vote Dem.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 06:49 PM
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20. Oh look, a guilt trip!
:eyes:
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 06:55 PM
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22. I also don't have a candidate. Yes, I'll vote for whatever Dem is
nominated. What else could one do? Sure as hell wouldn't vote for a Pub or abstain.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 06:56 PM
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23. Stand by your convictions? If not now, when?
:shrug: They will keep doing this to us, until and unless we stand up!
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 07:02 PM
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26. Who do we stand up to? And what does "stand up" mean in
real terms? Is there any possible way that those of us who are totally pessimistic about our Government could do anything that might help, if even in a small way.

How do you envision the act of "standing up"? I'm not arguing with you. I'm looking for answers because I've run out of my own.

Our government is supposed to protect us, yet most of us now fear and disrespect all branches of the government. The crooks are in control of all levers of power, including those of punishment and larceny.
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martymar64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 07:01 PM
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25. She'll be singing Kumbaya with the Rethugs
Her corporate paymasters demand it.
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zabet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 07:16 PM
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28. Who?
If this is an attack against
a candidate you do not support,
please refrain from doing so in
this thread. I clearly asked for
that in the OP. Tell me how great
your choice is and why I should
support them. Keep the attacks
to yourself. Any civil input is
greatly appreciated.
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martymar64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 07:53 PM
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29. I no longer have a choice
The DLC, media and the Chamber of Commerce saw to that. My vote is now for sale on eBay (seriously). If your candidate wants my vote, their going to have to pay me cash for it.
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