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Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:36 PM
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Photos of Obama and Edward Said circulating and report of Nation of Islam Obama treasurer?
Is Obama's treasurer a member of the NOI? Uh, we need that confirmed or denied now. It's being reported:

http://www.debbieschlussel.com/

Also in that report are PHOTOS of Obama DINING WITH EDWARD SAID

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Said

On July 3, 2000, Said was photographed lobbing a rock across the Lebanon-Israel border.

Although Said denied aiming the rock at Israeli soldiers, an eyewitness account in the Lebanese newspaper As-Safir asserted that Said had positioned himself less than 30 feet from Israeli soldiers manning a two-story watchtower before throwing the rock over the border fence, though it instead hit barbed-wire. "One stone tossed into an empty space scarcely warrants a second thought", he later said, labeling the stone-throwing as "a symbolic gesture of joy". The stone throw was witnessed by Israel-based television journalist Dennis Zinn, who suggested "the Lebanese line up and wait to throw their rocks until soldiers and civilians are exposed."<38>


If you don't think this is a HUGE general election issue you're sticking your head in the sand. Obama tried to tamp it down before with the Anti Defamation league and they are watching it:

http://www.adl.org/PresRele/NatIsl_81/5208_81.htm
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democracyindanger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:37 PM
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1. Debbie Schlussel?
Good grief.
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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:37 PM
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2. What that fucking Ann Coulter clone Debbie Schlussel has to say about any of our candidates...
is not a huge general election issue.
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Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:38 PM
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3. agree but can we discuss the issue because it's out there and won't go away.
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movonne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 06:08 PM
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48. It won't go away if we keep talking about it....
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:39 PM
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4. Where does it end?
Are you going to stoop to the level of calling him an "effete homosexual" too?
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Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:41 PM
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Don't put this on me. I can tell you the fallout from a photo dining with Edward said
would be devastating and if he has high ranking staffers like a treasurer who are members of NOI, he's finished in the GE.
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:45 PM
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16. You post anti-Barack slime several times a day
Either you are paid by her campaign or you simply need a companion.
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Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:47 PM
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18. I want Obama supporters with connection to tell their man to fire his treasurer
if she is NOI. That's all.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:47 PM
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22. No. No. And NO. That's just absurd.
As I said below, Edward Said is a well known academic. He has a viewpoint and that's fine. Most academics do.

I've met him, and I support Clinton without any wavering as of today. I'm sure there could possibly be photos somewhere where we are both in the picture, too. Does that make me an insurgent or a criminal?
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Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:49 PM
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26. No but if you have important staffers that are NOI that's going to ring some bells
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:51 PM
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31. NO. NOI people have a right to support whosoever they choose.
It isn't a CRIME to be NOI, even though their leadership is a bit...strident.

Hell, Catholics can go "over the top" at times, too.
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Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:56 PM
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38. I would rather our candidates steer clear. I dont' care much but why give them ammunition
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 06:00 PM
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44. That's just crazy. NOI is what it is, and it's not an insignificant faith group in the US.
It's no crime to be NOI, and if the GOP don't like it, fuck them.

If Clinton makes it to the General, she'll want their votes, too.
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:40 PM
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5. Are you SURE you arent a neocon plant trying to get Hillary elected?
You use the same tactics.
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Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:42 PM
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8. No but you can be sure neocons trying to get Obama defeated will know all about this crap
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:43 PM
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12. Oh I doubt that.
Probably McCain. Hell- Paul.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:41 PM
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6. Did they ever solve Vincent Foster's murder?
Wasn't Hillary Clinton indicted for that or something?

As a concerned voter, I'm very concerned.
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Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:41 PM
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7. No to answer your question Clinton was not indicted for that.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:42 PM
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10. Well thank goodness for that.
Now if only she'll debunk those dirty sanchez rumors.
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Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:43 PM
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11. uh, this isn't a rumor I linked to a photograph and article
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:45 PM
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15. Right, just like Vincent Fosters murder. Photographically based.


+



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Concern
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bidenista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:47 PM
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21. ok, i'm leaning clinton at the moment
But that made me :rofl:
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:42 PM
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9. Oh good god...stop
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:56 PM
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39. Thank you. I appreciate seeing Hillary supporters who can't take it either
He's not really helping Hillary, is he.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:43 PM
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13. That sounds like bullshit to me.
And if he was photographed with Edward Said, so what? The guy is a well-known author. His ORIENTALISM is a standard university text. If you think that symbolic bit of rock throwing is the end of the world, why, that's just silly. The man is an ACADEMIC, and academics DO shit like that. I've met Edward Said, he's a smart guy with a lot to say, and I, as of today, am a Clinton supporter. But when I see crap, I'll sing out--despite the fact that some of Obama's "supporters" like to give me a ration of shit when I say something they don't like:

    Said earned an A.B. from Princeton University and an M.A. and a Ph.D. from Harvard University, where he won the Bowdoin Prize. He joined the faculty of Columbia University in 1963 and served as Professor of English and Comparative Literature for several decades. In 1977 Said became the Parr Professor of English and Comparative Literature at Columbia and subsequently became the Old Dominion Foundation Professor in the Humanities. In 1992 he attained the rank of University Professor, Columbia's most prestigious academic position. Professor Said also taught at Harvard, Johns Hopkins, and Yale universities. He was fluent in English, French, and Arabic. In 1999, after his earlier election to second vice president and following its succession policy, Said served as president of the Modern Language Association.

    Said was bestowed with numerous honorary doctorates from universities around the world and twice received Columbia's Trilling Award and the Wellek Prize of the American Comparative Literature Association. His autobiographical memoir Out of Place won the 1999 New Yorker Prize for non-fiction. He was also a member of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences, the American Academy of Arts and Letters, the Royal Society of Literature, and the American Philosophical Society.<4>

    Said's writing regularly appeared in The Nation, The Guardian, the London Review of Books, Le Monde Diplomatique, Counterpunch, Al Ahram, and the pan-Arab daily al-Hayat. He gave interviews alongside his good friend, fellow political activist, and colleague Noam Chomsky regarding U.S. foreign policy for various independent radio programs.
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Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:45 PM
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17. I agree with everything you posted but I'm talking about what happens when
Obama is linked with Said/NOI. It's not a small thing. Probably not insurmountable but I'd start with firing my NOI treasurer myself.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:49 PM
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27. Well, some stupid ass who doesn't give a shit about the issues will reply
with a pic of the Senator and Mrs. Arafat. It's what is done.

Ed Said is a remarkable fellow. Smart as a whip.
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Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:51 PM
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30. It's of zero imporatnce to me but I see its potential so put it out there.They can do what they want
but this stuff "goes around" and there is already suspicion there. Not so much that it can't be squashed but better be soon.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:54 PM
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36. It's IDIOTIC. Whoever 'put this out there' is pulling the equivalent of a disinfo campaign.
So Obama has a diverse staff, big deal. And he had a meal with a guy I'd love to have a meal with--the guy has a brilliant mind. I'd even pick up the check, AND take the fellah to a decent restaurant!

And I'm supporting Clinton. This is just...idiotic.
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frazzled Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:44 PM
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14. Oy vey ... Debbie Schlussel? (plus picture of Said and Barenboim)
If you go to the vampiress Debbie Schlussel's site there is nothing but innuendo about this supposed NOI treasurer.

As for Said--I can only offer you this article, with photograph, of (Jew-boy, Israel supporting composer and pianist extraordinnaire) Daniel Barenboim, writing about his best friend, Edward Said--who met on the grounds of music and formed a deep friendship.

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.andante.com/images/Articles/BarenboimSaid200x17

Stop spreading this false hate.
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sunonmars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:47 PM
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19. You see this is the sort of stuff thats going to be flung

Jesus, what else is there.
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Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:47 PM
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23. He needs to can the NOI treasurer.
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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:56 PM
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40. Wow. Not only do you post fucking bullshit, you don't even bother to read it yourself.
According to the very article you posted, from Debbie Schlussel, the treasurer in question has already been canned.
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:47 PM
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20. I'll give you credit, dude
you try.
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bidenista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:48 PM
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24. doubt the NOI thing
If true, the Said thing would add to concerns among Zionist Dems about BHO.
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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:49 PM
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25. The never-divisive Hillary camp
now openly pitting Jews vs. Blacks!
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:50 PM
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29. Put away the broad brush. I called bullshit on this assertion straight away. NT
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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:53 PM
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34. And your calls count... how? With whom?
I ain't talking Rezko here. The OP is perfectly blatant, though it's flowing the other way.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:57 PM
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42. Look at your smartass post--NEVER DIVISIVE? Like everyone's in lockstep with this shit?
The never-divisive Hillary camp
now openly pitting Jews vs. Blacks!

You're waving the broad brush of pure bullshit around. Many others beside me have chimed in and taken issue with the OP, but that doesn't suit your "Victim Card" agenda.

Whatever.
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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 06:00 PM
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43. Your candidate started the Jew-baiting
maybe you should take issue with her.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 06:04 PM
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46. Are you on drugs?
Your candidate started the Jew-baiting....


My candidate represents the largest community of Jews in the United States of America. Ten percent of her constituency is Jewish.

She doesn't "Jew bait." That's just...idiotic.

We're done here, you're not making any sense whatsoever.
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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 06:05 PM
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47. Good, one less Hillarista on the dogpile
that covers the truth.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:50 PM
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28. In Dec 1992, Jackson Stephens was a NAMED figure in BCCI. What happened?
In Dec 1992, Marc Rich was a named figure in BCCI. What happened?

In Dec 1992, AQ Khan was a named figure in BCCI. What happened?
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maximusveritas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:51 PM
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32. Citing Debbie Schlussel while demonizing Edward Said?
Are you sure you're on the right website?
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:52 PM
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33. We used to complain about people using DRUDGE for a source.
Am I to understand correctly that now it's acceptable to use a right-wing blog to tear down Democratic candidates on DU?
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Proud2BAmurkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:55 PM
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37. I thought about that because of the source but the photos are there.
and I wondered why she would lie about who his treasurer is if it's easily checked
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southern_dem Donating Member (587 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:54 PM
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35. Debbie Schlussel as a source?
Edited on Wed Jan-30-08 05:58 PM by southern_dem
Are you freaking kidding me? I think you would be more comfortable in Freeperland.

Edit: and if the Republicans use this they will be laughed right out of election
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:57 PM
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41. One more time, Obama is a member of the United Church of Christ
which is, as the name implies, a Christian Church. I know this, because I'm a member of it, too.
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bidenista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 06:01 PM
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45. picture
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4298976
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riverwalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 06:16 PM
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49. ohhhh the ADL
Edward Said was University Professor of English and Comparative Literature at Columbia University. So Obama had a lunch with him, and now your underwear is all twisted in a paranoid frenzy? It would have been an honor to have lunch with him. He is now dead, however, so now you attack dead people. Disgusting.
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