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bidenista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:44 PM
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AP: Obama calls Clinton a "divisive" figure
Obama Calls Clinton Divisive Figure

Jan 30, 4:33 PM (ET)
By NEDRA PICKLER


DENVER (AP) - Democratic White House candidate Barack Obama on Wednesday said rival Hillary Rodham Clinton is too polarizing to win the presidency and she has taken positions shared by President Bush and Republican candidate John McCain for political expediency.

Obama depicted Clinton as a calculating, poll-tested divisive figure who will only inspire greater partisan divisions as she sides with Republicans on issues like trade, the role of lobbyists in politics and national security. At the same time, he elevated McCain, fresh off victory in Florida's crucial primary, as the likely Republican nominee.

"Democrats will win in November and build a majority in Congress not by nominating a candidate who will unite the other party against us, but by choosing one who can unite this country around a movement for change," Obama said, speaking as rival John Edwards was pulling out of the race in New Orleans, leaving a Clinton-Obama fight for the Democratic nomination.

More: http://apnews.myway.com/article/20080130/D8UGERC80.html
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:45 PM
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1. Excellent!
Keep swinging, Obama!
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rndmprsn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:45 PM
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2. Amen....
i think he just said what most of us were thinking anyways...good for you obama.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:45 PM
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3. Reagan was divisive
George W. Bush was divisive.

It doesn't lose elections.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:46 PM
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7. Yeah, that's why I'm not voting for clinton.
I don't want another Reagan or Bush.

:P
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:47 PM
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12. Bill Clinton was divisive by '96, too
and beat a doddering old war vet. Hillary will do the same.
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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 06:02 PM
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40. Without Perot's help?
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 06:10 PM
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48. Yep
Clinton got 49.2 percent
Dole got 40.7 percent
Perot got 8.4 percent

So clinton still got .1 percent more than both Dole and Perot.

Of course, I don't know how it would've played out in the states, but polls at the time showed Perot's voters were evenly split between Dole and Clinton.
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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 06:48 PM
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67. Egad
I would like a bigger mandate than that for our next President!
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:46 PM
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4. Oh well, there goes all the "hope" and "change"
from Obamanation.
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:57 PM
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34. Your attacks are so devoid of any logic
"Hope" and "Change" doesn't mean calling it like it is.
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:59 PM
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36. Obama's negative tones do not inspire hope.
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Windy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 06:13 PM
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54. He's fighting. Sorry, he's not going to roll over. get used to it. n/t
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TheDebbieDee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:46 PM
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5. Is he still repeating that right-wing meme?
Polarizing, divisive - those are repuke words!
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:47 PM
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10. Shame it's based in facts. Remind me again, which candidate has the highest negatives?
Take a look at your avatar for the answer...
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:50 PM
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19. some times you need to be divisive to get things done.
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 06:12 PM
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53. The best one can do is get their side and...
the middle together against the opposition.

left: 40%
right: 40%
middle: 20%

40% +20% = 60%. That's the best you can get. You are not going to get the 40% in the oppositions camp on your side. No one has ever done that.
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:46 PM
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6. Unity starts in the heart.
Obama has misplaced his.
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KennedyGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:46 PM
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8. There's that Uniter again..speaking out of both sides of his mouth
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:47 PM
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9. Mr. Unity man calls another candidate divisive---cute one.
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agdlp Donating Member (363 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:47 PM
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11. 857 208 Clinton voters in Florida alone disagree
:-)

Votes in numbers(99% reporting)

Clinton: 857 208
Obama 569 041
McCain 693 508
Romney 598 188
Giuliani 281 781
Huckabee 259 735
Edwards 246 604
Paul 62 063
Gravel 5 261


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x-g.o.p.er Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:50 PM
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20. And she won just as many deleagates
as Obama did.

And I'm sure had there been any serious campaigning there, those numbers wouldn't have changed a bit, would they?
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 06:05 PM
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45. Yep, Florida, is a real Liberal strong hold alright.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:47 PM
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13. If thats how he wants to play it
I don't want to hear him crying in a few days when Hillary's campaign returns the favor.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:52 PM
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26. Hey, it got him that NY Post endorsement!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:48 PM
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14. he sure does make a good RW FOX parrot!
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MagsDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:48 PM
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15. Obama still trying to convince you pandering to the right .....
.... is the way to go. I'll choose Hillary, the candidate that will fight the rethugs rather than pander to them.
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UALRBSofL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:51 PM
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25. Obama called Hillary divisive?
That's interesting considering he's the person that can bring all democrats and republicans together. I hope he keeps the attacks up because it only helps the other person your attacking.
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Tom Strong Donating Member (334 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:48 PM
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16. Well, she is. I mean...
...just watch how she divides Obama's head from his shoulders on Super Tues. It ain't gonna be pretty.
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bidenista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:50 PM
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22. lol
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:48 PM
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17. CLINTON dissed BUSH today--Obama disses Hilliary. ha ha.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:53 PM
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28. Sums it up.
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JAbuchan08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 06:03 PM
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42. She sure does talk the talk on Bush
but she doesn't walk the walk.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:49 PM
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18. Obama sounds like a fugging republican.
WTH?
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:51 PM
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ducky talk
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x-g.o.p.er Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:51 PM
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23. And Hillary votes like one n/t
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Maven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:56 PM
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33. Really, because they vote the SAME 94% of the time.
That is, when Obama can be bothered to vote.
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JAbuchan08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 06:07 PM
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47. If she's going to vote with the Republicans
she might be better off not voting at all.
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LVjinx Donating Member (711 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 07:17 PM
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69. Unity
I thought Obama's big selling point was a promise to work with Republicans? But it's a bad thing when someone actually DOES it?
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JAbuchan08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 07:31 PM
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71. I thought Hillary's big selling point was she was going to fight Republicans
not fight with them.

I hope she has a very 'civil' campaign with her good friend John McCain.
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sunonmars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:50 PM
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21. Obama wants to look at his new negatives polling that have gone practically equal to HRC

they aint pretty
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JAbuchan08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 06:11 PM
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49. Too many people have already formed an opinion about Hillary
she can't raise her positives so she drives up Obama's negatives. :banghead:

of course its pure coincidence that Obama's negatives have risen ever since he entered a campaign against Hillary :sarcasm:
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:51 PM
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24. half the country vehemently disagrees with him
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Metric System Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:52 PM
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27. Is this the new politics the Obama camp keeps talking about? McCaskill said it's time to stop
demonizing Rethugs so does new politics mean acting like Rethugs? Oh, now I get the Hillary hate, it's to fit in with the rabid right.
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:55 PM
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31. I'll tell you this...
Claire McCaskill is full of S--T. Same with Dick(less) Durbin.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:54 PM
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29. The media is not friendly to Clinton as much as the obama campers harp on it.
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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:55 PM
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30. the name Clinton makes Repubs see red
I don't think that Barack Obama inspires the same hate...yet.
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Zodiak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:55 PM
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32. Well, if she gets the nomination
She will divide the Democratic party. All of those useful, passionate activists who are onto the corruption and the lobbying will leave the party, not vote, or go with Nader.

Ram her down our throat at your own risk. I am not responsible for the buyer's remorse to come, and the progressives aren't taking the blame this time. You were warned well in advance.
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UALRBSofL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 06:00 PM
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37. That sound to me like scare tactics
To get folks to vote for anyone but Hillary. Sad, very sad.
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Zodiak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 06:11 PM
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50. It is the truth
Edited on Wed Jan-30-08 06:14 PM by Zodiak Ironfist
The polls show it. The progressives on this board have been saying it for many years, and what I say or do will have no effect on this phenomenon. I am merely pointing it out because it is the elephant in the room.

How many percentage points of the core Democratic base are you willing to sacrifice? How many of us that know what the DLC is and its power and money structure is about are going to peel away from the party once she gets the nomination?

The polls show that she has the worst chance of beating McCain....why is that? Because of Republicans alone? No....she divides the Democratic party and the pukes ubiquitously hate her. Hillary supporters are always prattling about strategy, but this obvious flaw in strategy is staring you in the face and you ignore it. Hillary and the DLC take progressives for granted when they are not chiding us for having our beliefs. There is nothing offered to us on the table except "we aren't a puke". That Lucy-Charlie Brown kick the football game is familiar to so many of us that we know the only way to win is to not play.

If she gets the nomination, you are going to have to court the left back into the party. If you didn't get the message before, you are getting it now.
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 06:00 PM
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38. Actually, the media and bloggers
are ramming Obama down the throat of the nation.
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Zodiak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 06:15 PM
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57. I do not speak for the media
But I know why the bloggers are doing it. They are fairly well-read and know what the polls say and who Hillary's allies are.
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 06:12 PM
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51. The Democratic Party is already divided.
The DINO's on the right who control it and the Liberals on the Left who get shouted down.
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Zodiak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 06:19 PM
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60. Yes, and this paradigm is about to come to an end
If any Americans have been wakened by this horrid Bush nightmare, it is the progressives and the populists. We aren't so naive as to stick around forever while the rest of the party drives us off a cliff holding hands with the pukes.

A Hillary nomination would drive a stake deep into the heart of the party. The rift would be palpable.
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:59 PM
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35. That is what I have been saying all along. Hillary is a DINO.
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VotesForWomen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 06:01 PM
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39. jeez, with all the sh*t he's stirred up, and he calls hillary divisive? nt
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 06:02 PM
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41. Its true. She is strong with her base but not attractive at all to Independents
and Republicans can't stand her. Going against McCain who attracts Independents and will get the Republican vote, I don't like the odds with her.
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Zodiak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 06:23 PM
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63. I watched the New Hampshire debate online
Edited on Wed Jan-30-08 06:24 PM by Zodiak Ironfist
The TV version didn't include this, but the online version had the responses of Dems and Independents to the answers that the Democratic candidates gave. You know, the Luntz style line graph. anyways, regardless of the asshole who came up with the methodology, I couldn't help but to notice tht there was a clear pattern in the answers of the candidates.

John Edwards scored very high with both independents and Democrats.
Barack Obama scored sort of uper midrange with both Democrats and independents.
Hillary Clinton only scored high with Democrats. That independent line stayed rock bottom for her all night.

Of course, this is one debate, but I think it is emblematic of what is to come electorally.

Not only that, but her nomination just might peel a big chunk of progressives from her in favor of sitting the Presidential election out, or worse, vote for Nader or the Greens. She hasn't even started moving to the right with her predictable DLC-playbook strategy for the general election.

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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 06:04 PM
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43. She divides Democrats and unites Republicans.
He got it partially right.
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Gloria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 06:05 PM
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44. Er, when you diss the 60s-70s, Obama and say you're not
"invested" in what so many fought for....I'd say that's divisive. It's finally what got me to completely drop you from my consideration....lack of history is already doing us in....
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 06:06 PM
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46. Obama is a hypocrite
Pictures speak for themselves about divisiveness.

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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 06:12 PM
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52. Obama thinks he's the new messiah, JFK & MLK all rolled into one.
He's all about this "new politics" that he's somehow invented in the last 3 months. In the mean time the congress can't get SCHIP passed. He's all about slogans and bullshit.

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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 06:14 PM
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55. Saying Hillary is "divisive" is like calling a banana yellow.
.
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eowyn_of_rohan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 06:15 PM
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56. Pot. Kettle. Black.
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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 06:16 PM
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58. Isn't it divisive to keep calling her divisive? n/t
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 06:17 PM
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59. That's because..
.. she is.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 06:20 PM
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61. Pickler is a hack with a history.
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Kittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 06:21 PM
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62. It's the truth. Look at all of us that can't stand her. And we all know how the right feels about
her and Bill. How can you NOT call that divisive?
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flordehinojos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 06:25 PM
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64. His Lordship Snoot Snootiness is now getting cocky.
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 06:25 PM
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65. He's one to talk
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 06:31 PM
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66. Hmmm. This kind of talk turned Big Dog into a raving lunatic before..
I wonder if Obama is baiting him. :popcorn:
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LVjinx Donating Member (711 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 07:17 PM
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68. Divisive
"she has taken positions shared by President Bush and Republican candidate John McCain for political expediency."

Um, doesn't that mean she's compromising, not divisive? How in the world does Obama think he's going to win over Republicans to his bi-partisan coalition if he's so upset by, as he clearly says in the above quote, people getting along with Republicans!??!
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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 07:19 PM
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70. yawn
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