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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:12 PM
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Poll question: Scary convention Scenario
Based on the complexity of the way Delegates are apportioned it is entirely possible that the Democrat with the largest popular vote after 50 contests is not the one with the most delegates.

Who should get the nomination?
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frogmarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:14 PM
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1. I'm for the Popular Vote taking it.
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:16 PM
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2. You realize that woul require a rule change in the midst
of the convention?
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frogmarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:21 PM
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10. Yes, I do. I jumped on it too quickly.
I was voting for what I'd prefer in principle.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:27 PM
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15. You mean it would require a vote on a recommendation. Within the rules.
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Abacus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:17 PM
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3. er...
If we could change the system, then the popular vote. But, making exceptions within the current system would only cause more problems, so delegates.
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:18 PM
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5. even when 20% of the Delegates are superdelegates?
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newmajority Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:18 PM
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4. The candidate with the most pledged delegates should win.
The pledged delegates are a proportional representation of the popular vote. So that is an accurate number.

Superdelegates are often partisan hacks who might represent an agenda other than that of the people, so they should not be allowed to change the outcome.
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:19 PM
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6. but that would require a change in the existing rules.
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newmajority Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:21 PM
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9. Your question was about who should win
Edited on Wed Jan-30-08 10:23 PM by newmajority
Not about whether the rules sucked.

But if an earlier post was correct, and this rule was basically made up by partisan hacks in 1972, deliberately to keep power within the party establishment, then yes the rule DOES need to be changed.
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ginchinchili Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:19 PM
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7. A Democrat who can win.
Like Joe Biden.
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no name no slogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:21 PM
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8. Should be pop vote, but will be delegate count
We've had a few recent conventions where the winner of the popular vote didn't have the most delegates.

But the way I figure it, the rules are the rules. The candidates knew them before they got into the race. And the rules say a majority of the delegates gets the nomination.
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:23 PM
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11. I think that is the right answer
besides asking the majority Delegate leader to step aside when he/shehas the delegate to win the nomination outright would be very tough thing for party elders to do.
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newmajority Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:26 PM
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13. So you would just give Hillary two uncontested states?
How is that fair, considering that Florida & Michigan broke the rules?
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:28 PM
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16. No I woould not count those two states PV or otherwise
the convention will have to decide on that....but that is precise thre circumstance I am a little concerned about.
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no name no slogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:29 PM
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17. MI and FL will not be counted in the totals
If the DNC follows through with its threat to not seat them. Either candidate would still have to get a majority of delegates to secure the nomination.
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:31 PM
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18. My concern is that the inclusion of those two delegations might change who has the majority
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 07:15 AM
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19. .
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featherman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:25 PM
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12. I don't know about should or could but the candidate with the
majority of delegates in the convention nominating vote wins. Why would it be different?
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newmajority Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 10:27 PM
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14. Seems like someone is looking for a loophole that would give Michigan & Florida
to you know who.
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