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Meshuga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 09:21 AM
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Obama is rising in California according to the latest Rassmussen poll but
What does that mean when there are so many people in California who already voted? I am hoping that Obama takes as many delegates as he possibly can but I think Clinton already has CA locked. Would you agree?

It would be huge if Obama manages a win in CA given all that is going against him. And it would be a huge blow to the Clinton campaign.
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Windy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 09:23 AM
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1. Yes as a result of early voting, just like in Florida
the race is stacked in her favor as a result.

Its a shame.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 09:29 AM
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6. It's a shame that people voted?
Or a shame that people voted before the MSM created faux "momentum" for Obama?
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Meshuga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 09:32 AM
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9. Thanks for pissing on this thread, BTW! n/t
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 09:34 AM
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11. Pissing? The first post said, explicitly, "as a result of early voting ... it's a shame."
That's a pretty fucking pathetic thing to say.
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Meshuga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 09:41 AM
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14. Pathetic are your conspiracy theories
Now go start a negative thread so you can have fun with your little buddies. Stop pissing in this one.
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Sulawesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 09:33 AM
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10. A shame they voted before they saw Obama...
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 09:35 AM
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12. They knew who Obama was and made their decision.
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 10:05 AM
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16. exactly.
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 09:24 AM
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2. Giuliani used that same argument(early voting) in Florida. Look where he is now.
I think Obama has a good shot. He still might lose, but it won't be by much.
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Meshuga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 09:25 AM
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3. A win by Obama would be huge
But I am expecting him to close the gap and taking a nice chunk of the CA delegates.
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Kittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 09:26 AM
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4. Go to the polling 2 weeks ago.
HRC had a 5% lead at that time, it's most likely that the votes skewed in her favor around 5% (of course depending demographic of the early voters as well). I think from this moment on, things begin to tighten - and by Election day, I would imagine Obama will be ahead in votes cast (for that day), or tied. I'm thinking the delegates awarded are going to be very close. Unless there's some blowout factor between now and then that tilts to one or the other.
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Meshuga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 09:29 AM
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5. I think it will be close
And that's a victory for Obama. An actual win would be HUGE! :-)
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 09:31 AM
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8. I expect the National Town Hall meeting that Hillary is doing to be interesting.
She should be doing it every single day though, and not on the 4th. Spend the whole weekend at it.
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Boo Boo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 09:30 AM
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7. California is not winner take all, so every vote counts for Obama in getting
as many delegates as he can, whether he "wins" or not.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 09:35 AM
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13. No, it's not over yet by a long shot. Go Obama! eom.
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sunonmars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 10:04 AM
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15. Every thing changes in the last few days, it always does but i think.......
Edited on Thu Jan-31-08 10:05 AM by sunonmars
there is yet to take in any response to Hillary's very good vote tally in Florida, plus what surprises the debate throws up tonight. After the last 2 debates over 50% said it was an important factor in who they voted for.

Polls in this last week are useless i think, we better just wait until next Tuesday to see what happens.
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sunonmars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 10:15 AM
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17. the difference with California is the turnout, is it big or small
Edited on Thu Jan-31-08 10:15 AM by sunonmars
If the % spread was huge it would mean someone was about a million ahead or more. If thats the case, its a landslide for delegates. If its a small percentage then the vote tally spread is still a large amount but not as huge but still makes a big difference in delegates.

so say Clinton gets 1.5 million and Obama 1 million, then its 60% to 40%, if its 2.5 million for Clinton and 2 million for obama then its 55 to 45%. Edwards will still be a factor, because of early voting and probaly will take about 10%

The real problem is estimating the turn out, if its huge, then there could be a big difference in spread, if its a low turnout, then there probably wont be. but with California, if someone wins bt 1/2 million, it reall means roughly about 5 to 10 %.

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CTLawGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 10:18 AM
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18. IMHO
the people who are most likely to vote early are those who have solidly made up their minds and probably won't change. I think undecideds and weak identifiers are more likely to wait till the last minute to send in an early vote.
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