I have great respect for Senator Kennedy but I just Unsubscribed from his E-Mail Alerts.

I'm old enough to know what the Kennedy's were about. I respect the family and have high regard for all of them. But, I feel that Senator Kennedy and Caroline Kennedy's endorsement of Barack Obama coming as soon as it did was a large factor in John Edwards decision to drop out of the Primaries.

Whatever the Kennedy's anger with Bill Clinton was, I feel they should have waited until after "Super Tuesday" to announce their support for Obama. I felt the same way when John Kerry endorsed Obama and unsubscribed myself from his E-Mail alerts because I felt the endorsement came too soon and was like a stab in the back of Edwards. (I realize some say there was bad blood between them after Election '04)

Anyway, the Republican debates seemed to have quite a few candidates still there...yet we will have only two Dems left to debate before Super Tuesday when only four small states have voted whose vote will count and two other states had their Dem Parties screw it up so bad that the full slate of candidates couldn't be on the ballot.

Neither Senator Kennedy or Kerry will give a damn about my unsubscribing...but the Party should care...when people like me who got involved in the process don't want to hear what they have to say anymore. I was a Precinct Vice-Chair in Election '04 and worked hard for John Edwards and have worked for Election reform. I've done all I can to work for Progressive Democratic ideals and If the party doesn't honor folks like me...then it means I have to express my disappointment with what their policies are and how badly I feel Election '08 is being run by our Democrats. I expressed my opinion in the "comments" as I unsubscribed to Senator Kennedy's alerts.

Is this the corporatist arm of the DLC at work or merely a testimony to Obama's charisma?

that would assure the DLC did NOT win the nomination.

And it looks like Edwards' dropping out is for the exact same reason.

Agree.

Kennedy never was and Kerry has been at odds with them for years. Edwards was a DLC darling.

Kerry and Kennedy have excellent credentials fighting corporate money in government.

throwing lots of folks "under the bus" to bring in an "Unknown" will save the Kennedy Legacy. :shrug:

John Edwards called Barack Obama a "celebrity" which would indicate he was...well known. You call him an "unknown".

Which of the two is it is?

And the Kennedy's don't need to save their legacy.

There are parks and boulevards and schools all over the planet named after the Kennedys.

There are public buildings and universities and even the Department of Justice bears the Kennedy name.

I think the Kennedy Legacy is established and there is no worry about preserving it KoKo01.

that's with those folks who are taking Social Security depriving the NATION from being able to invest in our "ROBUST" Stock Market.

"They are "OLD" and have only a "whiff" of Credibility anymore., and that's with those folks who are taking Social Security depriving the NATION from being able to invest in our "ROBUST" Stock Market."

Who are "they"?

Why is "whiff" in quotations?

Who is "OLD"?

Hellllloooo?

My question was and is: Which is Obama? An "unknown" or a "celebrity"?

Get It?

I respect the Kennedys and Kerry but I feel their endorsements of Obama were knee-jerk, disingenuous, and done with specific agendas in mind (and not honorable ones).

They could have waited till after Super Tuesday - at least.

I thought it was terrible form for Kerry to endorse Obama so early on and stab his former running mate in the back. I feel the same about Teddy and his disingenuous support for Obama. He too, as a party statesman, should have waited until after Super Tuesday to endorse someone. He just proved to be another petty, vindictive politician. Besides, Teddy questioning anybody on their ethics is laughable!!!!! Nothing either Clinton has ever done comes even close to what he did as a young man while driving in a drunken stupor.

are the ones who are the soul of our Dem Party...and we don't take "lightly" unsubscribing to the Great Old "Progressive Lion of the Kennedy Clan" who can give a speech that brings tears to the eyes and just inspires our souls.

We Dems are always honoring the Kennedy Legacy...so it hurts when some of us have to take a stand and say...YOU ARE WRONG THIS TIME!.... "WE ARE MAD AS HELL AND WE AREN'T GONNA' TAKE IT ANYMORE!"

That's what I'm saying...

If I could vote before May...I'd vote for Edwards...to keep the "Spirit ALIVE!"

Even if it is from someone you respect.

I should've done it a long time ago. All he ever did was ask for money. I should've asked for a refund after that pitiful campaign of his in '04.

I think that Caroline Kennedy, who is not prone to endorsing candidates, had her reasons for why and when she did what she did.

her children talked her into it.

There is a lot to make of that.

So don't Paint a Broad Brush....

and with tears and saddness...I HAD TO CLOSE THAT DOOR...on the "Kennedy Era" that I was a part of in many ways.

I felt a relief...in doing it. I wish that wasn't so....but it was.

So much has changed since we were young and not all for the better.

Its hard to do, but think of it as tough love.

that means alot. Not doing it lightly, without thought..and talking about it...it's hard.

When he was running in 2004 I was on his mailing list and each time I filled in the suggestion box .

I had a big problem with the way he fell into the bush mindset talking about killing the terrorists and his hunting trips and many other things I felt were not the path to take . I never got one response from hundreds of replies , the only thing I got was a way to send donations .

When I walked to my polling place three miles away dealing with panic attacks all the way there I felt I was voting for someone who would at least rid us of Bush .

I woke the day after the voting only to find Kerry was not going to count all the vote as he swore he would .

To toss his support to Obama was a slap in the face of Edwards .

Kerry is a joke to me now . I don't know what I think about Ted Kennedy , I have much more respect for RFK jr and RFK .

People talk about the future yet Obama brings up the past with Reagan and now Teddy .

RFK jr is here now and part of the present . He has been on the environment for a long time yet Kerry decides to jump in with his wife well after Gore did his inconvenient truth .

corrupted with the weird stuff he sent and always asking for "MONEY."

I finally realized his site is run by "staffers" and he probably just shoots off a "memo" every couple of weeks and his staffers do the rest.

It never seemed from the "heart" the Alerts always had some "Catchy Marketing Phrase" sort of like they though I was an idiot who couldn't read between the lines about what they were looking for...which was the BIG $$$$$$$$$'s.

:shrug:

because our Repug neighbors now knew...where we stood. And, to deal with the daily "Bush/Cheney '04" folks putting up signs to counter the few of us...(knowing we'd lose jobs if we were in business in the area..really putting ourselves on the line for Kerry...was what we felt was our BIG STAND."

We are a small buisness owner in a Southern State. The "Big Money Dems" don't bother with us...and when we put a sign out supporting a Dem we lose Repug Business Investment. We thought with Kerry/Edwards it was worth it to put a sign out and work for them. We convinced a few other Dems in our neighborhood to do that too. Since '04...the Dems we convinced to put the "Kerry/Edwards" signs out for...have all MOVED from the neighborhood...and we have lost business investment...because they know how we voted, and who we put the signs out for.

Yeah...it could all be that our Business is Crap...but it isn't. We get lots of investment from areas outside my state...but the "Powers that Be" in my own state...cut us off. And, we suspected they would but we thought Kerry/Edwards would win... I live in North Carolina.

And they wait for the right time. Couldn't they have endorsed earlier too. It is big clout to have the Kennedys.

with a "Plunge Protection Scheme" that does the "Pops & Drops" and the latest "Bubble" imploding..

What you say...is a very good point. Even Josh Marshall of a more Left Leaning Site with his "Talking Point's Memo" conglomerate is into doing "BETTING THE ODDS" on this Race for '08. It seems Poltics has finally declared itself as the NEWEST SPORT FOR BETTING AND PLEASURE!

Tune your "Plasma TEE VEE" and watch the DEBATE OF THE CENTURY...and when you are FINISHED...go back to your weekly "FOOTBALL/BASKETBALL/BASEBALL/SOCCER" or the Sport dujour...that you can sit there and watch them SPAR..

Like the "Gladiator Battles" in Rome...very close to the Fall of Rome... "Bread and Circuses" for the Masses.

I may have been upset when people endorsed candidates I didn't support, but I'm not petty enough to hold it against them. They just made a different choice.

of "Bush vs. Gore." I guess that "MEME" keeps going...no matter how many years and how many boards some folks find time to post on. :shrug:

I also unsubscribed from PDA because they were pushing Obama on me immediately after Edwards dropped out. Actually I am unsubscribing to most political mailings at this point, and telling them why.

Losing Edwards to the system was the last straw. For me, it's now difficult to be hopeful for the future of this country.

:applause: