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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 10:08 AM
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Edwards Supporters: Did you know you are uneducated whites who will now vote for Hillary?
Edited on Thu Jan-31-08 10:09 AM by sparosnare
Just thought I should let you know this is how the MSM categorizes you. It was offensive to me to hear it explained that Obama appeals to well-educated, well-to-do whites while Hillary and Edwards appeals to uneducated, blue-collar whites. Because of this, Edwards supporters will go to Hillary.

I would like to hear what the Edwards supporters think of this. I certainly don't fit the Obama "standard" put forth by the MSM.
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 10:11 AM
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1. "you're likeable enough hillary" nt
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neutron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 10:23 AM
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12. Are Edwards supporters SKINHEADS?
to flood the blogs sayinig
a Woman or Balck Person can never be president.
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 10:26 AM
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16. Well.... my hair is thining and some skin is showing
:mad:
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 11:37 AM
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32. Skinheads were originally a workers party... not racists.
It's pretty sad they got hijacked by racists.
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 10:12 AM
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2. May a Kucinich supporter chime in here?
My coworker, who is a high school graduate blue collar worker, was for Edwards. He said if Edwards dropped out, he'd vote McCain. So Clinton didn't pick up a vote from him--but neither did Obama.
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 10:18 AM
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7. Interesting - thank you.
:hi:
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 10:14 AM
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3. Not supporters
The blue collar vote that both Hillary and Edwards shared. It's not personal and it's not about supporters. It's where the votes may shift. I'm not a Clinton supporter, but I see it this way. Supporters, on the other hand, will think about any possible endorsement Edwards makes and then decide for themselves.
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LynzM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 10:15 AM
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4. That's bullshit, frankly.
People choose a candidate for a myriad of reasons, and Edwards drew supporters across many demographic lines. I'm a white, middle-class, college-educated female, and Obama is likely my next choice after Edwards.
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shenmue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 10:16 AM
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5. Wow. It continues.
It's on every thread. Hillary this, Hillary that. Well, I'm white, what's the problem?
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poppysgal Donating Member (272 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 11:47 AM
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36. it's like ESP
Edited on Thu Jan-31-08 11:48 AM by poppysgal
:sarcasm: It is truly amazing that the MSM believe that they know how I will vote before I do. I really would like to know who comes up with these profiles and predictions? The National Institute of the Paranormal?
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 10:17 AM
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6. I can't believe we're hearing that from MSM.
It's so untrue. First, they wanted to make South Carolina about race. Then they wanted to parse the white votes, and all they could come with was "John got white voters Hillary didn't get, and it was because he's white."

Edwards voters are progressives and populists who think the Democratic party needs to do more to help the downtrodden, and who abhor the globalists' grab of American assets and jobs. They are not racist, not sexist, and don't all think alike.

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Guava Jelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 10:19 AM
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8. no
I do know a few who are switching parties to vote for Obama..In Kansas.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 10:26 AM
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17. Hey great! Thanks for mentioning that! n/t
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cobalt1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 10:19 AM
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9. Here's how I see it.
This country is going down like the Titanic.

Edwards was pointing out the problem and the folks most immediately impact are in "steerage". Are they the most wealthy and educated? Maybe not, but they recognize the problem before the folks in "first class" do.

So what if Edwards supporters were less educated?

As for going to Hillary, Obama has his automatic 70%+ appeal to blacks and the corresponding backlash with the whites.
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Cassandra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 10:20 AM
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10. I'll try to hide my MBA...
and my BA from Wellesley.
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chemp Donating Member (569 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 10:21 AM
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11. Between my wife and myself, we have
4 count 'em FOUR degrees.
I have two bachelors, the wife has a bachelors and a Masters.
We both strongly supported Edward's campaign.

MSM can suck my ass.
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bpeale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 10:24 AM
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13. well, this uneducated white will not be voting hillary or obama
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 10:24 AM
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14. I find the media's assumptions really strange...
I understand that not all Edwards supporters would gravitate to Obama.
Some of them will go to Hillary. In fact, none of us really knows how
all of that will play out.

However, I am really baffled--because every single one of the Edwards
supporters that I met in Iowa--and I'm talking EVERY SINGLE ONE--was
against Hillary.

I volunteered a lot and there was a lot of reciprocity between the Edwards
and Obama camps. I went to a lot of Edwards rallies while I was trying to
decide who to support. I had Edwards canvassers at my door and usually
we'd end up talking politics for at least a half hour.

The Edwards precinct captain and I agreed--when we walked into the caucus--
that we would work together. He looked at me and said, "Want to work
together?" I said, "Of course" and he said, "Anyone but Hillary. We have
to lobby the nonviables hard, to keep them away from the Hillary camp."

Ok, given all of that...I assumed that most Edwards supporters were closer
to Obama. I know my experiences are anecdotal. However, it really blows
me away to hear the MSM say these things, because what they're touting
goes against everything I've experienced.

I'm being open minded about this, and I understand that I only came in contact
with 50 or so Edwards supporters---but I get the feeling that the MSM is
touting a meme that isn't the entire story.

I believe the polls--that show plenty of Edwards people going to Hillary.
It's just odd to me, after having experienced the exact opposite of that
from every Edwards supporter I've ever met.

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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 10:24 AM
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15. Most people, including the media
like to neatly categorize people. This is the same as "you are either with me or against me" this is how the freepres think, in black and white, no nuances.

We supported Edwards, some of us way back in 2004 because we listened to what he had to say and propose and agreed with him, well, with most of what he proposed. And we listen to Hillary and we like what she is proposing.

We listen to Obama and we ask: "where is the beef?" We cannot pinpoint him on where he stands and if we do, we don't like it.

I do not like him pandering to the religious wrong, patronizing women who choose to terminate their pregnancy, trying to "reach" to evangelicals who would not compromise on anything since their is the absolute truth coming from their god and Jesus.

I despise his claim that he "opposed the war from the beginning" when that stand had no consequences not being a US Senator, and then voting with Clinton in a lockstep once he did arrive at the Senate.

I despise his black supporters who support him because of his skin color, like Jesse Jackson who really liked Edwards' war on poverty but would not endorse him, going for the "brother" himself.

I despise the ones who support Obama because he is black, that "our time has come" yet look down on women who support Clinton.

I worry that, like Carter, he has no understanding of foreign policy, believing that all he has to do is ask dictators and mass murderers to please, please, be nice and accept Jesus as their savior.

I am livid that Obama gets a pass for past and present indiscretion, that Clinton had to apologize for the truth, that if he is the candidate the Republicans will make an issue of his past drug use, that his supporter is in jail with nary a note in the media, while whatever Clinton has ever done gets a full scrutiny and so much of the attack on her is so frivolous.

See also here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4297089
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 10:27 AM
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18. White Power!
i hate the msm.

fuckers.

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UALRBSofL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 10:31 AM
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20. And why does MSM say uneducated support Hillary
I have a degree in nursing and my partner is going to law school and we support Hillary.
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nancyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 10:29 AM
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19. How insulting.
What a crock.
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Mist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 10:32 AM
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21. Another white college-educated woman who supported Edwards, and now, Obama. nt
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Freedomofspeech Donating Member (622 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 10:38 AM
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23. Ditto...
however, I am not removing my Edwards bumper sticker from my car.
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mother earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 10:33 AM
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22. Since when does MSM say anything of value? They are the
"uneducated whites" with snarky soundbites, obnoxious and pompous, thinking they are the kingmakers. They are such corporate mouthpiece sell-outs...repulsive and now completely transparent.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 11:40 AM
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34. Well said!
:hi:
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mother earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 11:51 AM
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37. More of an understatement, wouldn't you say, redqueen? lol
:shrug: We could see thru them at the outset. :puke:

Nice to "see" you. :hi:
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krabigirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 10:44 AM
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24. wow, then I guess I'm supposed to be for Obama then, but I'm not
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 10:54 AM
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25. Crowley earned a bachelor's degree from Randolph-Macon Woman's College.
That is from her profile on CNN.

I have a bachelors of science and an MBA.

Booyah.

She can kiss my supposed "uneducated sheep for Hillary" ass because I am voting for Senator Edwards in my primary.
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Fox Mulder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 10:56 AM
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26. I am an Edwards supporter and I'm well-educated.
The MSM can go fuck themselves.
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mntleo2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 10:59 AM
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27. I Am Poor AND Educated
Edited on Thu Jan-31-08 11:00 AM by mntleo2
... Single mom on welfare here and activist for low income people. I love Edwards, met him at a rally two years ago and was impressed because I saw for myself he really cares about We The People. As for the MSM (who are no longer "MSM", they have far fewer viewers than Internet sites like Daily Kos or DU for that matter. Who listens to those tools anyway?

I will go with Obama. Because he was my 2nd choice in the first place and my dream ticket was Obama/Edwards or Edwards/Obama, either way I believe it would have been good.

I agreed with MLK III: Edwards "got it" while Obama does not seem to "get it" as far as the terrible shape this country is in and the desperate need for domestic housecleaning whether with greenhouse gas, poverty, jobs, healthcare, alternative energy, etc. Obama just was not as on to the reasons and did not have the ideas and the fixes as to what needs to be done. One hint: stop making corporations "persons" and make them accountable and make them and the rich actually pay taxes. I am concerned Obama might be or become a corporate whore.

However, after listening to Thom Hartmann yesterday I have to agree with him: Edwards would make an awesome Attorney General and it would give him the power to go after the Bu$h Crime Family and all their thugs.

My 2 cents

Cat In Seattle
(whispering ...Oh. BTW. MLK III is black)
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 11:34 AM
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28. *thanks for your responses everyone*
Edited on Thu Jan-31-08 11:35 AM by sparosnare
My intent of this post was to prove the MSM is wrong when they try push us all in categories and I'd say it's been proven. :hi:
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Texas_Kat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 11:36 AM
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29. Anyone who gives credence to what Dick Morris and the MSM say
Edited on Thu Jan-31-08 11:36 AM by Texas_Kat
Deserve to believe what they hear from them.
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 11:37 AM
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30. I'm an Edwards supporter.
I'm white, I have a bachelor's degree, and I'm middle class, if such a thing exists anymore. I don't care for Hillary, but I think Obama is arrogant. I don't know what I'm going to do.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 11:37 AM
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31. If it comes from the M$M, it's probably crap.
And yeah, that fits the bill.

:)
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windbreeze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 11:38 AM
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33. So who is shoving whom down who's throat now???
we are being herded by the MSM, and the Democratic party's single purpose seems to be to make history with their selection...how shallow is that??....by Feb 5th...it will be all over but the shouting for the Dems, and there will be those of us, who don't vote/caucus until after the 5th, who's voices will mean nothing except to be the exclamation point on what's already been decided....wb
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Omaha Steve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 11:41 AM
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35. I'm HS education and blue collar union

Marta is finishing her degree. Why do I care what MSM thinks. Marta and I are now leaning Obama undecideds until Feb. 9th.

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LSdemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 11:53 AM
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38. Who knew that underneath my law degree and brown skin, a dumb white guy was lurking?
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