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bidenista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 10:49 AM
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Gay City News: "Hillary Offers Ideas and Solutions"
Edited on Thu Jan-31-08 10:49 AM by bidenista


HILLARY OFFERS IDEAS AND SOLUTIONS

By: TROY MASTERS
01/31/2008


...Both Clinton and Obama support some measure of equality for the LGBT community. Both fall short of supporting gay marriage, but they do endorse civil unions. Clinton supports a trans-inclusive ENDA. She has raised money for LGBT organizations. She protected local AIDS programs from a Bush administration reallocation of funds that would have hobbled or closed vital programs statewide and in other urban areas where, like New York City, the epidemic first raged.

Obama's Senate record on gay rights is similar and he mentions gays on the campaign trail more often than Hillary. But he also gives his mega-phone over to the "ex-gay" movement in an attempt to draw support from conservative African-American voters. Selecting a President to channel Martin Luther King or JFK or FDR is not enough; we need a leader and a doer, not a dreamer. It is fantasy to believe that Obama will usher in an era of bipartisan cooperation and strife-free government.

Obama's race will not automatically facilitate this any more than Hillary's gender will. Obama's pretty platitudes about "hope" and "change" enable him to avoid addressing the ugly problems and the even uglier solutions. It's so beautiful one can easily fail to miss there is a complete lack of policy thought. Charging racism is an easy way to distract almost any critique or conversation. It's impossible to shirk off, dismiss or dispute. That charge has too often been leveled - even at imagined slights and arguable offense - by many who support Obama's candidacy.

Obama's campaign also shows a troubling pattern of capitalizing on the same tiresome, gender-discriminating, Hillary-hating language the Republicans have used for years. Obama points to Bill Clinton's reflection on the history of the African American vote in South Carolina as "troublesome." Clever, even if true, as he manages to play both race and gender in one fell swoop, charging that the "little lady's" husband is race-baiting. When the gender card is played, portraying Clinton as a woman whose surrogates fight for her reinforces the stereotype of women being weaker, while fighting deems her too aggressive, an unattractive ball-buster. Add to that the implication that Hillary can't even control her man. Not fighting is impossible, of course. It paralyzes....

More: http://www.gaycitynews.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=19249828&BRD=2729&PAG=461&dept_id=585504&rfi=6
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 10:50 AM
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1. So they gloss over Clinton's pandering to homophobes. Typical. As long as she does it more quietly
everything is hunky-dory with some gays. It's hypocritical. Or maybe they should have done their homework.
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maddiejoan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 10:55 AM
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5. If by quietly
you mean not inviting them on stage to preach their hateful agenda? Then yes.

If you're saying Hillary panders to homophobic votes --I need more information from you then just the fact she has a couple of ministers supporting her campaign efforts.
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meegbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 10:57 AM
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7. How about some examples then
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 10:52 AM
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2. Obama offers a cure. nt.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 10:54 AM
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3. Her GLBT background is one of the raesons I'm supporting her
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UALRBSofL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 10:57 AM
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6. And HRC
Overwhelmingly supports her. Not sure how much it will help her though.
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 10:54 AM
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4. Here are Obama's positions and the work he has done.
Edited on Thu Jan-31-08 10:56 AM by Skidmore

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:I-sORnC_IBgJ:www.sovo.com/2007/5-25/Obama.pdf+obama+gay+issues+record&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=6&gl=us

Expand Hate Crimes Statutes: In 2004, crimes against homosexuals constituted the third-highest category of hate crime reported and made up more than 15 percent of such crimes. Barack Obama cosponsored legislation that would expand federal jurisdiction to reach violent hate crimes perpetrated because of race, color, religion, national origin, sexual orientation, or physical disability. As a state senator, Obama passed tough legislation that made hate crimes and conspiracy to commit them against the law.

Fight Workplace Discrimination: Barack Obama believes the Employment Non-Discrimination Act should be expanded to include sexual orientation. While an increasing number of employers have extended benefits to their employees’ domestic partners, discrimination based on sexual orientation in the workplace occurs with nofederal legal remedy. Obama also sponsored and passed legislation in the Illinois State Senate that would ban employment discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation.

Promote Gay and Lesbian Rights: Barack Obama supported legislation in the Illinois State Senate to prevent discrimination based on sexual orientation in housing and public accommodations.

Support Full Civil Unions: Barack Obama supports civil unions that give gay couples full rights, including the right to assist their loved ones in times of emergency, the right to equal health insurance and other employment benefits currently extended to traditional married couples, and the same property rights as anyone else....


Read on since I only included the first four paragraphs per board rules.
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 11:07 AM
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10. But does he/ his campaign believe folks can fall on their knees to change their sexual orientation?
Can we find the answers to this at the link?
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 11:14 AM
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12. I don't personally know one Obama supporter, including myself,
who believes that. That I can assure you. I don't believe Obama believes that either. Now, there is no way that anyone can give you 100% assurance on any issue. I will tell you this much. I believe this man will work to assure everyone of their civil rights and human rights. I have no reason to doubt this.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 11:00 AM
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8. recommend
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Rockerdem Donating Member (706 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 11:04 AM
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9. These two candidates are peas in a pod when it comes to GLBT issues
The vast majority of the community will be supporting a candidate for important issues outside of this spectrum. Like other Americans, they are being pounded by Bush-era miseries. They have the identical concerns as the rest. Yes, they are normal, as if I have to remind.

In they end, the choice is between change and the status quo. Do you want to support an old-school pal of big corporations whose husband is pandering his ass wholesale? Who supported the Iraq war and its funding? Who played a part in free trade agreements while "ending welfare as we know it."?

When everything else is equal, those will be the tipping issues.
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 11:11 AM
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11. We disagree on what the tipping point issues for glbt voters will be.
Are you a glbt person yourself?
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 11:15 AM
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13. I became solidly for Clinton over GLBT issues.
They may look alike on policy, but the Mcclurkin and Kirbyjohn relationships soured me on 0bama.
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frazzled Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 11:16 AM
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14. And yet, as opposed to this essay, the paper itself endorsed Obama
http://www.gaycitynews.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=19249408&BRD=2729&PAG=461&dept_id=568864&rfi=6

It's good news that on the same day this newspaper endorsed Obama, it allowed an opinion piece from one of its founding editors arguing for Hillary. I think it means both these candidates would be positive for the community. End of story. No brownie points here.
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Raffi Ella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 11:23 AM
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15. !
Damn.K&R.Thanks for posting.I wouldn't change a word of that.I will however reinforce their perspective that leveling the race card against someone does indeed shut any and all conversation down and Obama and his supporters have done just that.

Shame on them.Obama is better than that and so is the Democratic Party!SHAME on all of you for playing that dispicable and untrue card against two of Our Finest.
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