Clinton = Automatic loss to McCain

I have friends who are conservatives (free market conservatives, not culture warriors) and they too are enamored by the Obama campaign, and rather dismissive of the Republican field (McCain = ancient dummy, Romney = tool, Huckabee = nuts). But they've firmly told me that if the dreaded Clintons try to retake the White House, they will vote for the other candidate by default. Clinton may galvanize older white women, but that's about it, whereas Obama has the proven ability to win across all demographics.

What makes Obama so appealing? His policies are similar to Clinton's, so why do middle-of-the-road people like him so much? I think it's because they see in him passion and reason, but not rigid ideology. They get the sense that if Obama sees enough proof, he will pursue a policy that he may not have agreed with earlier. Hillary, on the other hand, is perceived as an entrenched and opportunistic liberal who will not hesitate to exact political revenge on all those who cross her path. Basically, Obama's appeal is that although you may not agree with him, he will sincerely consider your viewpoints as well, even if you know that he's going ahead with his plan. Hillary, on the other hand, will mock you and tune you out.

It's just a bullshit guess right now. Either way.

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friends who are conservatives love Obama thread. Please, do you really expect anyone to believe this.

Rezco stuff and other things democrats are not using will QUICKLY dis-credit his whole "change" mantra.

This whole Obama thing remnds me of over confident Kerry mistakes.

including;
Connecticut
OHio
Florida
New Hampshire
New Mexico
Arkansas
Taylor Marshville

:rofl:

What exactly is their "Rezko stuff"? And what "other things" are you referring to? The Clintons have tried all they have, and it hasn't worked. They got nothing. And neither do the pukes.

What the pukes will do is try to manufacture a fall. It won't work.

I think Hillary's win over Old Man Cain would be more narrow than Obama's win over Cain. But, either would win.

the one who gets it

But is it worth the risk?

Go Obama!!!

Don't believe the republican spin machine!

KGO AM 810 in San Francisco.

Everyday it seems that more and more people call up every night saying that they are a Democrat and will either not vote if Clinton gets the nominee or they will vote Republican.

As time goes on, I hear this more and more. Its sad.

Clinton = Jeb Bush 2012.

McCain = Socialist revolution by 2012.

(And I'm only slightly exaggerating.)

Obama, I'll vote for in the general. Reluctantly.

why bother voting.. McCain has won, just skip the election and go straight to the corination.

Which was destroyed as Hillary has claimed far over 1 million voters so far.

Never mind that Obama and Hillary are currently losing to McCain by about the same slim margin.

Hillary will doom us and somehow Obama will trounce the guy. :eyes:

against McCain in the polls I have seen.

This far out, it means even less.

said the spider to the fly ;)

Vs. McCain RCP avg gives McCain 1.5 pts advatnage over Obama & 1.8 advanatge over Hillary

Hillary - http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_clinton-224.html

Obama - http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html

Vs. Romney RCP avgs gives Hillary a 12.4 pt adv., Obama has a 17 pt adv.

Clinton - http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_romney_vs_clinton-230.html

Obama - http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_romney_vs_obama-231.html

Vs. Huckabee RCP avgs gives Hillary a 9.9 pts adv, Obama has a 16.6 pt adv.

Clinton - http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_huckabee_vs_clinton-515.html

Obama - http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_huckabee_vs_obama-516.html

So basically McCain is tough for both and they beat the rest of the GOP by double digits.

...since he's largely unvetted, has a scandal waiting to explode, and is too inexperienced to survive the RW smear machine.

But sure, if you want to believe that your RW friends are hoping for an Obama nomination because they want to see him elected president and enacting liberal reforms, you go right ahead.

McCain is a pro-war candidate in an anti-war climate. He says that jobs are NEVER coming back to the Rust Belt. He professes to be baffled by the economy. If Clinton is the nominee, women will be empowered and mobilized in droves.

I think there is almost no chance of him beating Clinton. There is some chance of him beating Obama, but not much. But Obama is basically a first term senator, half way through his first term, with no executive experience, no particular qualifications to be commander in chief, who is still getting a free ride in the media. Still he is a charismatic guy --as he keeps telling us - and would have the party united behind him. Plus he'd bring out a lot of young voters, probably. But don't overestimate his strengths or underestimate his weaknesses.

Also, John McCain is, I hate to say it, OLD. Against Obama, he would look like a real geezer. Even the 61 year old Clinton would look youngish in comparison.

would people get it that ALL politicians are calculating and get political revenge on their enemies? Reagan, and both Bushes did, why is it so wrong for Dems to also? If Obama tried to pass health care and Republicans stopped it, I would hope he would make their lives miserable. Also, I think it is too early for republicans to know what they would do if Clinton were nominated. I think because she IS more idealogical than Bill, and is older, she will come off as more genuine to those who saw Bill as "Slick Willie" even when in reality he was only slick about the bullshit sex scandals. The media says Clinton will get killed.

if the democrats show up in sufficient numbers, as they have been doing.

It is just that Obama may have a larger victory because of cross-overs.

have a nice day (or not).

I have republican family members who can't wait to vote for Hillary Clinton. Even my previously bush fan brother-in-law who has decided that women are inherently more suited for the job.

conservatives, but not culture warriors. Live in Arizona. Aren't very happy with John McCain, think Mittens looks too much like a car salesman, well a NEW car salesman, and besides, their neighbors here are all Mormon... and my family doesn't really like the Mormons here, and they are just plain scared of Huckster.

But to a person, they will vote McCain over Hillary. Even my democratic leaning sister. Her husband has her brainwashed on the Clintons. But Obama... I think about 50 percent (especially my younger nieces and nephew and their spouses) will vote for Obama.

But not Clinton.

Totally anecdotal evidence. And if McCain is the repuke nominee, AZ is NOT in play for either Obama or Hillary. But I'd say Obama would make even AZ not a cakewalk for the "you kids get off my yard" McCain.

While it is no guarantee they would vote for Obama - they are socially liberal enough to at least consider it.

Somehow, they feel that McPain "isn't really" all that conservative despite facts to the contrary. It remains a personality thing.

They HATE Hillary - they do not hate Barack.

Other family members are such Hillary fans that they cannot believe she would lose to anyone.

Family gatherings are lively.

And there's not thing one anyone can do about it.
The M$M and military freaks have won already.
I will still vote for Edwards, but I might as well vote for Denny Crane.

But this militaristic shitstain will just rally the freaks. And if Huckabee is his VP, fuck he'll probably die in office and leave us with Huckster as jesus-in-chief.
Someone tell me I'm hallucinating.

to trash HRC.

HRC will get eviscerated in a general election and here's how McCain will do it - by attacking her on the Iraq War and terrorism. He will make her look both weak, and like a hypocrite when he brings up her war vote, continued wishy washiness on the war and her close ties with defense contractors.

We are sooo fucked if she gets the nom.

to dislike Hillary but yes, that is factor number one and I've said it from Day One. If her last name weren't Clinton, she'd have had her ass laughed out of this race for her lack of credentials, not to mention her VERY high negatives.

Obama is becoming more acceptable to them than McCain but Hillary? No Way! They'll go out of their way to elect McCain. I know Hillary's supporters don't want to hear all this but they need to come to terms with the fact that an HRC nomination most likely will give us a McCain president. I don't think that's a risk worth taking.

GoBama!

started to run that if he should steal the nomination he would loose to ANY OF THE REPUBLICAN CANDIDATES.

Now his supporters so damn desperate, are starting to try to pull it out of the hat and say Hillary would loose to McCain....she had more votes in Florida against ANY of the republicans and more votes than the last three republicans combined. Florida is a representative state.

She didn't campaign in Michigan, the other candidate had non stop radio ads run by conyers...he didn't win she did.

She didn't campaign in Florida, the other candidate did his own non-stop radio ads ..he didn't win she did.

So the desperation is really beginning to show isn't it...