If we lose 08 - do you think we'll be able to face reality then?

What its going to take is unity and strategy. The first priorities will need to be fixing the broken and corrupt system. We need to come to grips with the crimes that have been committed and not sweep them under the rug. We need to take back control from the auction block of public policy.

One thing is for sure. This run a guaranteed loss candidate ploy that the corporate media has played on us - it will not float again. in 4 years we're not going to be saying "Oh it wasn't time then, but maybe now". We'll be saying it wasn't time then and it's not time now.

It going to have too be a people powered revolution where people really communicate again instead of this cesspool of pretending and manipulation, flaming, name calling, etc. I am hopeful that 4 years from now we can go back and read the threads that led us to defeat and use them to stop it from happening again.

Even if we do win in 08 - what we'll face is a hostile business sector that decides to wait it out and starve us out of power over 4 years. The Carter Strategy. They'll let it all further slide to shit and blame it on the democrat so that people are ready for a fresh change in 2012.

Instead, I think it's something much more basic: We are not making our case effectively enough to the American voter.

Think about it. If we were, we would have the votes, the numbers, to outweigh all other factors. I'm convinced that we are simply not doing a good enough job at this.

Why is it that approval of Congress is still at all time lows, even with Demcrats back in slim majority?

Why is it that media still likes to make a mockery of Democratic principles and candidates?

Why is it that rightwing memes about Democrats are still so stubbornly pervasive in our society, even given the undeniable fact that rightwing conservative government(s) have been nothing but bad news for this nation?

We should be sorting out questions like these instead of trying to figure out who else to blame. Let me ask, what have you done, personally, today or even in the last week to turn one person's perference to the Democratic cause?

Have you made this personal yet? Because that's what it's going to take. One voter at a time.

Bush allied Saudis kept oil out of this country during the Carter Administration.

And had the newspapers told the truth then, there may have beena reevolt.

But the newspapers made it seem that it ws related to Carter somehow screwing things up.

The M$M hammered that point on a daily basis so that between May 1981 and August 1981 Carter's popularity went from record high of 62% to about 11%.

they started in the communities in the school board, city council, county administrators. Then they moved to State Senator, delegate, That's what we need to do, start locally. It will take 15 - 20 years to catch up. That's what it takes.

we are not there yet but we do not have that far to go...

in 2008 so you can say "Told you so". And your belief that you are some kind of oracle is, frankly, cracked- along with your crystal ball.

Every time that I see a poster say something to the effect of: "If MY candidate doesn't win the nomination, I won't vote,' or will vote 3rd party or even Repugnant, I could scream.

Elections have a bad habit of being intensely personal. The results of the above quote would mean the end of the Constitution and the end of any sort of justice in the court system.

Some of us hated Gore and thought very little of Kerry, but those were the nominees and we voted for them.

Those who are not committed to voting for our eventual nominee are nothing but Quislings/traitors to this country. The GOP has to go.

If we fail this time around, there may well not be a next time.