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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 05:25 PM
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Hillary supporters......it has to be admitted....
This thing is starting to get away from her. She needs a strong performance tonight.

Obama has won 4 of the past 5 news cycles. The polls almost everywhere are moving in Obama's direction. He has all the momentum.

How does she turn this around?

...it begins with a strong performance tonight.


If the debate is a "tie" or a narrow win for Hillary, that won't be good enough.... it will tell voters that he's capable.

I think she needs to dominate tonight and hope he makes a colossal mistake or two.
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KennedyGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 05:26 PM
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1. I don't see that at all..
I see some gushing press coverage for Obama..
But I see little evidence that it is over..not by a longshot.
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 05:27 PM
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2. Of course you don't, pumpkin.
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KennedyGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 05:31 PM
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9. Biiiig kiss to you Wolshie..why do I attract the weirdos?
I mean..i realize I'm a man magnet..but I wish the crackpots would bug off.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 06:37 PM
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24. NAH--more like a pesty fly--gotta swate em down!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 05:27 PM
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3. gushing is right.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 05:27 PM
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4. You are right... FAR from over...
...but she needs to change the momentum around.


She had this nomination "wrapped up" a month ago..... how did it get here?

Obama is catching fire nationally, and Hillary needs to stem that somehow, or this thing will get away from her.
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featherman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 05:29 PM
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5. Agree... big gaffe or two by Obama makes a difference at this point
He's relatively unknown still. I m confident Clinton will do well. She's very, very good in this format. obama not so much.
It's all about Obama tonight.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 05:31 PM
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10. A WHOLE LOT of Americans will be seeing Obama for the first time...
...I agree... most of the millions tuning in will be evaluating him much more than her. She's a known quantity.


If Obama seems capable to America, tonight can be very big for him.

If he struggles, it could be very bad for him.


Tonight *IS* all about Obama in some ways..... but Hillary has to find the right punch tonight to slow down the momentum.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 06:38 PM
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25. `ALL FIRED=UP FOR THE LADY~~
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 05:30 PM
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6. She's a good debater
She should do well. It's a skill she has. If it was an oration contest it would be different.
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rsmith6621 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 05:30 PM
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7. She Needs To.....



....start appearing more GENUINE and SINCERE.....frankly she seems like an angry self serving...B_ _ _ _ and seems to be serving more her own agenda than ours.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 05:30 PM
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8. I feel like this is a de ja vue almost--like the press pre-war build up-everybody
getting on board--nobody critiquing issues. And look what we got!!
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 05:33 PM
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13. Although I rarely agree with you, I find myself agreeing with you on this 100%.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 06:31 PM
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20. chuckle. thanks, have a good night.
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 05:35 PM
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15. Yeah, it's the fault of the press that your candidate voted for it. nt
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 06:32 PM
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21. that was not my point. nor do I agree with you.
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Maven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 05:31 PM
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11. Resistance is futile.
Resistance is futile.

Resistance is futile.

Resistance is futile.

Resistance is futile.
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jasmine621 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 05:32 PM
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12. This is the kind of classic build up that sunk Al Gore. The media rules.
All Obama has to do is show up and not make a gaffe and he will be called the winner.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 05:34 PM
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14. I agree.....
If he is Hillary's "equal" tonight... that will be all many voters need to feel comfortable voting for him.


She has to be a CLEAR winner tonight to change the national narrative that is happening right now.
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featherman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 05:38 PM
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17. Unfortunately that is likely true - we all know how this works from
the past. Look and act presidential. Avoid gaffes. Seem authentic. And you get the nod as the winner. These things are literally more like beauty contests or job interviews than scholarly policy treatments. Don't fall on your face and don't insult the boss (American people) and if they "like" you... well that's good.
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sunonmars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 06:39 PM
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26. alternatively, if he gets in a fluster again and starts stuttering
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lvx35 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 05:38 PM
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16. Here's the keyword/image for Hillary "heart".
She's running a heart based campaign now. Its all about hearts. America hearts. Down-home loving hearts. Its all about people backing them from their heart. Hearts, hearts, hearts. Love and people and hearts. This is what she needs to do to win, appeal to hearts of average working class people.

This will be my last post on this topic till after super tuesday, as I have to work 10 strait days of 12 hour shifts. My prediction is that if Hillary connects to people's hearts, she's going to win by a small lead. I think she can and will.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 06:34 PM
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22. I think so also--she is making connections but its not the causus scene now.
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 05:39 PM
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18. She is a weak candidate and a horrible choice for the nomination.
When Democrats start to pay attention, they realize that.

I'm not saying Obama is 100 percent wonderful; I have my issues with him, as well. But he is FAR better than Clinton.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 06:35 PM
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23. ~~ALL -FIRED-UP FOR THE LADY~ YES SHE CAN, YES WE CAN~~
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 05:41 PM
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19. Hillary takes a step forward and Bill pushes her 2 steps back.
Today it was the uranium mining story and the telling off of the 9/11 conspiracy theorist guy (Bill ought to know it's not just the unmedicated who have doubts about 9/11). Bill is a real asset . . . for Obama.
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