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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 05:45 PM
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Hillary's Admiration for Margaret Thatcher.
Edited on Thu Jan-31-08 05:45 PM by Bonobo
http://www.observer.com/2008/hillary-had-reactionary-role-model-too

Hillary Had a Reactionary Role Model, Too

The controversy over Barack Obama’s admiring mention of former President Ronald Reagan thrived this week, fed and nurtured by Hillary Clinton and her allies. But there’s no shortage of precedent for a Democratic candidate lauding a reactionary leader. And Mrs. Clinton should know.

Referring to the importance or otherwise of likability, Mr. Penn told The Daily Telegraph of London:

“I think ‘buddy potential’ is way overrated. It’s not who you want to have a beer with, it’s who you want to have as president or prime minister. The Margaret Thatcher experience showed pretty clearly how the Conservative Party did so much better with strength and leadership. In the U.S., people realize increasingly that running for president is not an American Idol-like contest.”

By the standards Mrs. Clinton and her campaign have applied to Mr. Obama’s comments about Reagan’s effectiveness, it was a fairly disquieting observation. And as is the case with Reagan, Mrs. Thatcher—a bitterly divisive figure firmly rooted in the hard right—offers little that should appeal to the base Democratic constituency Mrs. Clinton is courting.
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sidwill Donating Member (975 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 05:50 PM
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1. How do I post multiple "dropping jaw smilies" for effect?
nm
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 05:56 PM
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3. What amazes me is the attention given to the Reagan thing and the lack of attention to this. nt
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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 05:53 PM
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2. Margaret Thatcher didn't have to win elections
AFAIK. People vote for the party and the party elects the minister, right? Wouldn't Clinton just love if that's how we did it here?
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sunonmars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 06:05 PM
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12. She was the leader of the party

She had to win a majority of seats in the parliament of 625 to be exact and then form a government. No easy job.
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ngant17 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 05:58 PM
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4. How about Pres. Violetta Chamorro of Nicaragua
Before anyone offers Violetta as a role model, it should be reminded that she pilfered and stole as much money as she and her cronies could grab in 4 years. Not that the millionairess was so destitute to begin with. Under Pres. Violetta, the Soviet-made fleet of helicopters were sold off, officially to raise money for an unemployment program for laid-off soldiers. Although the last few airworthy choppers were sold to Peru in 1993, the initial sales of those hi-tech aircraft in 1990 were never fully accounted for. Allegations of embezzlement and outright theft by Violeta Chamorro, her son-in-law Antonio Lacayo and their colleagues were never investigated completely.

With the disappearance of all the Sandinista's fleet of Soviet helicopters, there was no way to evacuate citizens during the disaster of 1990, there was major flooding affected 100,000 people along the banks of the Prinzapolka and Bambana Rivers, vast areas of Nicaragua. Thanks to Pres. Violetta, there were hardly any functional helicopters left in Nicaragua to rescue anyone.

And it must not be forgotten that Hurricane Mitch created a much worse situation in 1998. Ten thousand people died from that catastrophe in Honduras and Nicaragua. How many thousands of those people would have been alive today, had the conservative Nicaraguan aristocrat Violetta Chamorro not been elected to office in 1990? But by then, already Violetta had taken her money and ran away from public office, so she would wash her hands from the sordid dealings she made when elected. Her get rich quick schemes directly led to the loss of thousands of her fellow citizens.

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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 05:58 PM
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5. At least Thatcher had balls..Tony Blair didn't...
...when Reagan wanted something, Magaret made sure England benefited some way...Bush told Blair want to do, he stuck his tail between his leg and did it, no questions asked.
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sunonmars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 05:59 PM
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6. I lived in London during Thatcher

She sorted the country out good and proper. It took her 4 years to sort out the mess her predecessor left behind and had to make tough decisions.

But she sorted it she did.
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 06:00 PM
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7. And a lovely little war in the Falklands gave it that nice nostalgic feel, wot wot.
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sunonmars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 06:02 PM
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8. she had no choice, it was British territory at that time

What would you do, if a country invaded puerto rico or hawaii
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 06:05 PM
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10. It was under dispute. How about diplomacy?
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democrat2thecore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 06:05 PM
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11. I actually agree with you there. But Thatcher's role in the 80's was a disaster -nt
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sunonmars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 06:07 PM
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15. Her first 6 years were good and then she lost it

The country was in a terrible economic mess and she did fix it.
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bigdarryl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 06:04 PM
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9. Reagan was her boy so i guess that means Hillary has no problem with him
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bidenista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 06:06 PM
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13. "strength and leadership"
I don't think she's praising Thatcher. She's just saying that a party won't succeed if its leader lacks strength and leadership. Color me stunned.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-31-08 06:06 PM
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14. So a Penn quote is now Hillary's.
:shrug:

The lies march on!
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