Hell yes, I'd vote for Kerry/McCain!

Being one of the few DUers not obsessed with purity at all costs, I happen to like John McCain very much. He's smart, funny, and reasonable - something you don't find often on the other side of the aisle. I don't agree with John Kerry on all of his positions, either -- doesn't mean I write him off.

Compromise is what gets legislation passed and things done in Washington -- not partisan bullshit and naked power grabs like the Bush Madministration has tried to pull, keeping America stuck in neutral for four years.

So - Kerry/McCain 04. You still ABB? :D

By the way, that new Living Color album rocks!

:toast:

I found another person who bought the new CD! :D But it's Colour, with the British spelling, not Color. ;-)

:yourock:

I was listening to it last night on the way to the theatre.

The base would run. Forget this nonsense.

Anybody but Bush.

How about Zell Miller - at least he calls himself a Democrat? How about Ralph Nader? ABB, right? How long do thing Kerry would hold office with Mc Cain as VP? Six months? A year? No thanks, I like for Democratic Presidents to live through their terms.

Case-by-case basis.

And what the hell does "I like for Democratic Presidents to live through their terms" mean? You been posting on that nutcase "which VP will keep Kerry from being killed" thread?

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With McCain the Dems would totally smoke Bush!!
He wouldn't have a chance on winning.
The thing I love the most about McCain is that he's not afraid of anyone. He's been to hell and back again.

:party: Kerry/McCain 2004 :party:

This is without a doubt the dumbest idea ever

That's a killer ticket. A fuck you George Bush killer ticket. And if the far left hasn't figure out they're NOT the base yet, I guess they never will. McCain has been good on alot of issues important to Democrats, there's alot of things we wouldn't have right now without John McCain. He's the one that just put the kaibosh on the whole gun manufacturing bill. He's a good guy.

whether or not he is chosen to be vp or even without a public endorsement i think when he goes to vote, he will vote for john kerry. i don't think mccain voted for bush in 2000 also. i don't think he voted for gore either, maybe some third party or write in or none. but in 2004 when he goes to vote, he will mark his ballot for john kerry for president. i saw mccain in new hampshire "campaigning" for bush and it's soooooo obvious he doesn't really support bush. the whole thing looks forced. when he speaks about kerry it's with love and enthusiasm. you can tell he really feels and believes what he says.

An Oprah/Clay Akin Ticket would assure a Bush loss, but at some point, reasonable people ask "What will we have won?" McCain? No thanks. Beating Bush is not an end that justifies any means.

Nice to be on the same side of an argument with you FishBine.

agreed before. But yes, it's good that some people are looking beyond November. There are four to twelve years to think about here.

to 16

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about it. He has come very close to coming towards the light many times.

I've met the man, and have loads fo respect for him.

I get THOUGHTFUL letters from his office, not the crap from the rest of the Arizona R Congressional crowd.

Love to see it (I'm a Kucinich primary voter, fwiw), but it won't happen.

"Do you know why Chelsea Clinton is so ugly? Because Janet Reno is her father."

-- John McCain

More...

http://www.realchange.org/mccain.htm

there are many good democratic choices out there he can go for.

right after the election some right-winger would assasinate Kerry and then we'd be stuck with McCain as president. I for one don't want that off-again/on-again * a** kisser and collaborator representing the Democratic party in any way, shape, or form.

McCain is a REPUBLICAN! I can only hope that my sarcasm detector is on the fritz and you folks are just kidding around. If McCain is the VP, you might as well hang a bullseye on Kerry's back and be done with it!

nail in the coffin for Bush that is workable. McCain wouldn't switch parties and we don't need a Republican on the ticket, but any Pubs who want to endorse Kerry would be soooo good.

McCain is a guy driven by loyalty. It's the ONLY reason he hasn't switched parties or become an independent. Repugs helped get him elected - he's not going to bail on them and if he does, he's going to go all the way with it, not just give an endorsement.

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perhaps the paranoia is in thinking we need McCain on the ticket to beat the shrub.

We don't NEED anyone to beat Bush, and my initial post said nothing of the sort. We could run Kerry and a house plant and still beat the tar out of him.

I'm just not willing to demonize McCain like so many others are so happy to do. I like him, as far as Republicans go -- and he did run against Bush...that's got to count for something.

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Last time I checked, disagreeing with crackpot ideas is NOT against the rules for this forum.

Someone please correct me if I'm mistaken in this belief.

...accusing me of being a freeper is another -- and is explicitly against the rules.

for that. But it is insulting for all Democrats, everywhere, for someone to advocate the placement of a Republican on the Democratic ticket. It not only is political suicide, it is a betrayal of everything that Democrats, everywhere, stand for.

Lets not go there.

Im new to this, so please help me out. What the heck is a Dino?

I don't think so.

As far as I am concerned, anyone that wants to have a republican as a VP in a Democratic Administration should stay out of the Democratic Party and should be suspected of being a republican infiltrator at DU.

These people seem intent on destroying our party. I am a Democrat and I believe in what Democrats believe in. I vote for Democrats, not republicans.

If John McCain were picked as VP, it would destroy Kerry's chances of being elected. No real Democrat would ever vote for a ticket with a republican on it.

who can just barely bring themselves to vote for the dems as it is would quickly bolt.

when asked if his daughter wanted to get an abortion what he would do. he said something about how he would talk with her and how in the end it would be her choice and he would support her all the way through. this really hurt him in the gop primary.

McCain is a freaking:puke:republican!

Maybe we can get Karl Rove to advise John Kerry on campaign strategy while we are at it, huh?

Please tell me you are joking.

the liberal 527 groups. McCain is no Dem not even a conservative one.

The nagging you will get from your Republican buddies...

"YOU DEMS CAN'T WIN UNLESS YOU HAVE A REPUBLICAN ON BOARD"

But yes, if the question is will a Kerry/McCain presidency be good for the country, the answer is yes.

then chose a solid democrat as his running mate, we'd have a real three-way race.

Not smart.

I really do not think McCain would do it anyways.

no wonder we lose so often. "Hey, let's get a Republican on the ticket - then we can really win!" Good gods how idiotic can Dems get?

He's our man alright

John McCain is one of the most conservative Senators currently in Congress. He just appears palatable because he's not a complete reactionary, religious-right nutcase like many of the other more visible Republicans in Congress.

He's an anti-labor, pro-corporate, anti-choice hawk. If accepting those values as part of the core Democratic vision is what it takes for us to win, then we've already lost.

Just today he was blasting Democrats for the "527's" that have been running anti-Bush ads.

Look, you can recognize the fact that he is basically a decent guy who wants the debate in this country to be about the issues, rather than who can simply raise the most money. That's quite laudable. But when it comes down to the issues themselves, he is ideologically on the opposite side of the fence from just about everything that the Democratic Party has supposedly stood for.

This idea is simply beyond ridiculous. :eyes:

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I am from his state and he has a ranch nearby where I live...trust me....you do not want McCain...

if he can force Indigenous people to live on land irradiated from the uranium mining and helped write the inhumane Bennet Freeze ACt....you really do not want this man to be vp.

http://www.yvwiiusdinvnohii.net/News99/0999/BlkMesaBigMt091999.htm
"March 31, 1997 was the deadline for those remaining to sign leases, giving up their rights and most of their land, or relocate to "New Lands". The few Dine'h who refused to do either face forced evictions by federal marshalls after February 1, 2000, according to PL 104-301, the latest Relocation Act cosponsored by presidential hopeful Sen. John McCain. "

Please...this is just insane.

Peace
DR

This would be a win/win situation for the Repubs.

You think George W. Bush and his people want a President McCain?

nt

I agree that McCain is a right-wing Republican, with whom I share perilously little in common, but remember that the Vice President has no enumerated powers other than breaking the occaisonal Senate tie. He'd be a figurehead. If sticking McCain on the ticket is the price we have to pay to get Kerry elected President, then why not? Just hope Kerry stays healthy, that's all.

I'm certain that since you are someone relatively well-schooled in history, I don't have to expand on the significance of Franz von Papen and the appointment of someone to a largely "figurehead" position....

1. For one thing, even if the worst happened and Kerry died and McCain became President, McCain wouldn't be parallel to Adolf Hitler. In fact, McCain would be a hell of a lot better than Bush.

2. von Papen had Hitler appointed Chancellor, the most powerful position in Germany, and thought he could control Hitler behind the scenes as Vice Chancellor. He obviously wasn't able to. By contrast McCain would be Vice President and would have no powers other than those specifically delegated by the President. You might, actually, look to Bush/Cheney as a better example. Cheney obviously wields power behind the scenes, using Bush as a puppet. If Bush one day decided to dump Cheney and follow his own radical policies then Cheney just might be seen as a von Papen analogue. But Kerry isn't. And I sure as hell am not.

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want a president McCain?

And I sure as hell don't.

So lets hope Kerry has good doctors.

If the only price we have to pay to see Kerry elected is that he picks a Republican figurehead as his running mate, I think it may be worth it.

McCain takes this great rim shot at Bush...and comes as close to endorsing Kerry as he can or will, and all some of you can see is another Hitler-Stalin pact in the works. Obviously McCain will not be Kerry's running mate, but I'm no where near a radio or a Republican right now, and I can still hear their squealing. Enjoy this, folks.

The further corruption of the Democratic party? The confirmation that we are now living under the two party/same corporate master system of government? The very act of considering this abomination of a ticket in and of itself is perverse on the face of it! The fact that there are people, both on this board and in positions of power within the Demcocratic party, who are willing to apparently consider ANYTHING in order to win this fall is sickening. Hell, if you're putting McCain on the ticket to attract 'Pugs, swing voters and moderates, why not go whole hog and put Jeb Bush on the ticket? That's the way to win!:eyes:

If you are willing to abandon every principle you have simply for the sake of winning, what have you really gained?

geezuz. :puke:

yes he is reasonable on a few things, but overall he is a very conservative right wing Republican opposed to choice, for NAFTA, a strong proponent of the war, for conservative judges to the USSC.

Why do we have to choose a Republican to be on the Democratic ticket--can't two Democrats win?

he voted against Bush's tax-cuts, stuck with Feingold through campaign finance reform...and could, along with Kerry, make national security or 9/11 into the winning election issue. John McCain would also boost Kerry where he is weakest..in the southwest, among independents, and with those who view National Security as the top issue in this election.

John Kerry would zero in on Bush's failures regarding the economy and healthcare, and make the connection for how his agenda would solve these problems. And McCain would zero in on Bush's corrupt campaign finance techniques, and how the failures regarding 9/11 have put us all at risk.

John McCain isn't perfect, but he probably has more in common with John Kerry than with Bunderules. They both voted for the war resolution, they both opposed the tax-cuts, and they both would support similar approaches to healthcare reform. I believe it would be in McCain's best interest..and our best interest to finally join the party which he has more in common with, even if he doesn't wish to be Kerry's running-mate. :thumbsup:

have very low self-esteem, if they think that the best alternative for VP is a Republican, OR must not know much about McCain other than that he seems like a pleasant guy on the talk shows.

Yeah, he's not a rightwing fundamentalist, but he's chapter and verse on all the economic and political aspects of the Republican agenda.

I'm dead serious: a lame stunt like choosing McCain for VP will shoot me straight out of the ABB camp.

but what really classifies someone as a member of the ABB camp? :shrug:

McCain would probably fine if he had a D next to his name. I feel very strongly that party affiliation is something very important in this instance.

isn't it against the national party rules to nominate a registered Republican for President or Vice-President?

I don't see how Kerry and McCain could function together. They would disagree with each other almost as often as Bush and Kerry would. The idea of a conservative Repuke being on the ticket would make me lose trust in Kerry and would give the Repukes real ammunition on the flip-flopping charge. And more avenues of attack would be created. I'd think Kerry went goofy.

the Vice President has exactly one responsibility - to decide tie-breaking votes in the Senate. McCain could spend four or eight years working on his golf game.

That requires a message. Also, I can't see McCain suddenly casting tie votes for us, unless he's really changed. I don't think he'd compromise himself for Kerry.

Really. In the three years the Bushies have been in power, I think Cheney has cast a grand total of one or two tie-breaking votes. Its not a frequent obligation. I'll give you that the campaign would be difficult. I'm not sure how'd they be able to pull it off convincingly, given their widely differing views. Maybe Kerry would just say, "Sure, I'm not going to lie to you; we disagree on a whole lot of things. But John McCain is a good man and a proven leader, and I think he's the best qualified to assume the office of the presidency in the event..." etc.

I want to know that the VP is on our side. The Senate's still very divided despite the 2002 elections. I think I have a reasonable concern. I don't think Kerry could justify things either with that many disagreements. He can't lose his liberal base. Kerry could easily choose a moderate Dem. I'd also worry about McCain going off and counteracting Kerry's skills at strategy.

Twelve thousand Navajos that have given in to forced relocation have met cancer and death in a foreign land. The 400,000 acres of "New Lands" for Navajos bought by the Federal government is on the site of the world's worst radioactive spill ever known. In 1976, there was a partial break in the earthen dam to hold water-laden uranium tailings in Shiprock, N.M. Three years later, the dam broke entirely, releasing 370,000 cubic meters of radioactive water. Surrounding lands are now contaminated and the Rio Puerco River has been affected miles downstream. The land was deemed to exceed 100 times the maximum safe level of radiation.

One-quarter of the first group that moved there in 1980 were dead by 1986. The remaining population suffers from birth defects twice the national average, and their livestock continually die off.

Not THAT is impurity.

From 1972-74, Hopi lands were further partitioned with about half of the lands going to the direct control of the Navajo Nation under the Partitioning Act, which was supported by Arizona Senator John McCain.

In the deal, a small number of Hopi families were moved off of Navajo lands onto a Hopi reservation, but the Navajo resisters - those people who refuse to be relocated - at Big Mountain still live on Hopi-controlled lands. Because this land has been sought-after by Peabody, the resisters have to contend with both an unfriendly BIA Hopi Council and a mix of harassing Federal agents. The Navajo Nation has not given up fighting for control of the lands, for royalties and especially because relocation onto "New Lands" means living on some of the most poisoned soil in the country.

There's compromise and then there' selling out. Could we even call it a Dem ticket if it's half Republican? ABB, Anyone But Bush, even a genocidal fu*k like McCain?