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WiseMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 06:15 PM
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Crooked Liars, Threat To World Order: Kerry Gaffes OR Heavy Lifting??
Edited on Wed Mar-10-04 06:19 PM by WiseMen
To descredit the Republican propaganda machine, Bush, himself, must be exposed as the mouthpiece of a dynasty of deceit in which stories are manufactured to suit the needs to the day: stories about who gets the tax-breaks; stories about why men are sent to war; stories about wins and who looses under Bush rules; stories about John Kerry.

Today CNN caught Kerry commenting to a supporter that,
"These guys are the most crooked, you know, lying group I've ever seen. It's scary."

Yesterday, he was caught admitting that some foreign leaders have confided to him that they are desperate about Bush's treat to the international order and are eager for him to “beat bush.”

Are these comments gaffes of a tired campaigner, or has John Kerry decided to do himself whatever heavy lifting needs doing to discredit GW and take the fight to the Repubs.?
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Cuban_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 06:17 PM
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1. Spell check your subject line, WiseMen
Edited on Wed Mar-10-04 06:17 PM by Cuban_Liberal
You have 'orger', and I'm sure you meant 'order'. :hi:
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 06:19 PM
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3. Cuban_Liberal
you are dedicated and supportive Democract. I like your new Avatar!
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Cuban_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 06:21 PM
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7. Thanks!
Today makes a week that I've had it. Onward to the Whitehouse! :hi:
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 06:25 PM
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9. Changed from "Dean" to "*Sucks"
just yesterday. Still can't put a "kerry" logo up but that doesn't mean that Kerry doesn't have my full support. It's just a personal thing ya know. Still mourning for the good doctor.
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Cuban_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 06:36 PM
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13. I know.
We all heal at our own speed.:)
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 06:46 PM
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16. It seems like you have healed pretty quickly
With the avatar and all but I know deep down, it sucks. But hey, Edwards has a real good shot at the VP. You and Paddy are pushing for it in that Poll thread. Nice job!
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Chicago Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 06:18 PM
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2. Go Kerry!! Keep talking... Off the cuff statements like these..
...can only help.

I like Kerry more and more.
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grannylib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 06:20 PM
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5. Well he's right...they ARE liars and it IS scary....
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Raya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 09:58 PM
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23. Correction: it was someone in the group said "It's Scary" not John
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 06:23 PM
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8. I was just thinking that...
He definitely won some cool points today :-)
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 06:20 PM
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4. Kerry should speak the truth...
...and speak his mind. Other enlightened people will follow and the truth will come out. If ever there was a leader who needs to be impeached for high crimes and misdemeanors it's GW Bush. So, just do it John!:kick:
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 06:21 PM
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6. Who cares as long as they keep rolling that tape!
soon, the did "Kerry make a gaffe?" story will turn into a "Is George Bush a Liar?"
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Raya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 07:15 PM
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17. How can we get them to keep it going for the next few days?
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KC21304 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 06:26 PM
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10. I think he was talking about these creeps.
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Raya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 07:38 PM
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18. Bush is calling Kerry an Unprincipled Flip-flopper. This is a lying smear
intended to descredit Kerry as a credible candidate.

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RogueTrooper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 06:29 PM
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11. John Kerry is taking the right approach
The CNN comment is the truth and if this was an aside to a supporter, rather than in a speach, it will sound authentic. There is plenty of evidence to form the basis of a good counter attack when the might wurlitzer starts to crank up the sanctimony. Getting the association between Bush and the word "crook" to stick in people's minds can only be a good thing.

As for the International endorsements: I am slightly torn with this one. One the one hand I think it goes a long way to blunt the recent "Kim Jong II wants a Kerry Victory" Republican smear. However, I am not sure that sort of thing impresses the average American voter.
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AVID Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 06:30 PM
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12. Dean was bashin when bashin wasn't cool . . .
Now Kerry is picking up the torch!!!

I begged, pleaded, and typed emails til my fingers were numb for montana max to do the same 18 months ago - he failed and still fails.

Kerry has found a voice - and I like it.

Scream it, JFK, from the mountain tops of Stone Mountain GA, etc . . .
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 06:36 PM
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14. I think Kerry can get away with words like these --
He's tough, war-tested, and no wimp. He's made something of his life. A prosecutor early on, he has years of experience in government. He's no dummy, and no faker. He commands respect. He knows what he's talking about. He recognizes crooks and liars, and understands why they're "scary" in high positions of power. I say, tell it, John Kerry! And if the press continues to place Bush and his people on pedestals, reacting with horror when their untouchable sanctity is breached, let the press be revealed as the fools and toadies they are.
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WiseMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 06:36 PM
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15. Looks like Kerry doesn't need to hire Al the "truth-speaker" just yet.
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Nicholas_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 07:41 PM
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19. Kerry
Edited on Wed Mar-10-04 07:45 PM by Nicholas_J
Is a personal friend of a member of Tony Blair's government, one Gordon Brown. There is a vocal group calling for Labour to get rid of Blair and replace him with somewone else to serve as Prime Minister. This is not unusual in British Politics and they can replace Blair without Labour losing it place as the majority party.

Kerry has recently had meetings with Brown, and he also has close relationships with the the German and French Ambassadors to the United Nations.

In fact, Blair is so worried that he has ordered members of his Govenrment to stay away from Kerry for the rest of the presidential campaign after hearing of Browns meetings with Kerry this fall.

Will the PM turn his back on Bush?

JASON BEATTIE AND FRASER NELSON


THE accents around the table told the story. In the campaign room at Labour’s Millbank HQ, the Scottish brogue of Gordon Brown and Douglas Alexander jostled with the harsher American accents of Bob Shrum and Stan Greenberg.

Labour’s 2001 election campaign masterminds started every day with a morning meeting born of a long tradition of fraternity between Labour and the Democrats. This is a relationship Mr Blair is now desperately trying to put on ice, as he orders his staff to stay away from Senator John Kerry’s campaign team until the end of the presidential elections in November...

That is to say, he cannot airbrush out Gordon Brown. The Chancellor has been an American politics junkie since attending the 1984 Democratic Convention. Later, he started to holiday in Cape Cod, an economists’ haven and the garden of Massachusetts, political home of Senator Kerry. The regular holiday crowd includes Larry Summers, Clinton’s last Treasury secretary and former tutor of Ed Balls, Mr Brown’s chief economic adviser. The idea of making the Bank of England independent was a thesis Balls learned from Summers...

One of Mr Brown’s longest-standing friends in Washington is Mr Shrum, key adviser to Al Gore in his struggle with Mr Bush four years ago. He has now been enlisted by Mr Kerry as his speechwriter. Then there is Carter Eskew, an Al Gore aide, whom Mr Brown met recently in Washington to discuss strategy.

The final link in Mr Brown’s Democratic network is Ed Miliband, senior Treasury aide and brother of the schools minister, David Miliband.

http://news.scotsman.com/international.cfm?id=263012004

Gordon Brown was one of the earliest peopl aware of Kerry's presidential aspirations, this being revealed to him by Kerry shortly after Bush's election in 2000.


No 10 unease at Brown's contacts with John Kerry
By Francis Elliott, Deputy Political Editor
15 February 2004


John Kerry, the frontrunner to challenge George Bush for the US presidency this autumn, has held a series of private meetings with Gordon Brown. The Senator set to win the Democratic nomination has links with the Chancellor stretching back over a decade.

http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/politics/story.jsp?story=491464


The caucus comes to town: Democrats meet in London, UK, to choose their man
By Marie Woolf
11 February 2004


In a Bloombsury hotel on a chilly February night, elegant women carrying New York public library bags mixed with city types in power suits and younger folk in chinos and loafers. They had one thing on their mind: getting rid of President George Bush and finding the Democrat candidate to deliver them that result.

http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/politics/story.jsp?story=490036


Brown is Blairs chief rival for control of the Labour government. Blair's support of the Bush Administration has placed him on thin ice with his own party, and Gordon Brown is being put forward as the man who is more a "True Democrat Supporter", not Blair.

Bush's recent attempt to heal the rift with Germany's Gerhardt Schroeder is based almost totally on the White House fears of both German and French support for a Kerry administration.

Blair is also anxious to rebuild bridges with both Chirac and Schroder due to his own untenable situation within his own party, realizing that a Kerry win could lead to his being unseated as Labour leader, resulting in Brown replacing him as Prime Minister with the backing of a new U.S. Government.

One of the reasons that Kerry is the best possible choice for the Democratic nominnee is simply the massive support he seems to have from a number of leaders of the E.U. and in particular, the support of the member of the Labour Party most liable to replace Blair (as well as having the support of British COnservatives as a foil aainst Blairs support for Bush)

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Leilani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 08:01 PM
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21. This is Really Interesting Reading
Thanks for posting it.
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Raya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 08:17 PM
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22. Bush has made it dangerous for Americans to travel. It;'s criminal!
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LiberalBushFan Donating Member (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 07:58 PM
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20. I'm starting to like this Kerry guy!
Hey Nader people, if Kerry and Bush are the same, then why are the media organizations so damn scared of Kerry becoming President?
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 10:01 PM
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24. I think Kerry is smart,
And I think this is intentional.
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newsguyatl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 10:22 PM
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25. kerry's stock
really rose with me today, when i heard this comment.

i hope he keeps it up.
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28. bad ass?
there was a bad ass in my high school a few years ago. . .He was bully and is now in jail.
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mountainvue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-10-04 11:13 PM
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30. Three words: "Bring it on."
He wasn't kidding.
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