on not giving all that big a flip about November

Yes, the general election matters. Go vote. Register people, campaign, raise and give money, make people think. It does matter.

But no matter who wins, those of us to the left of Joe Lieberman are going to have to keep fighting most or all of the same battles we're fighting now. We're taught in America to expect this huge political orgasm every four years (every two if you want to approach nerdiness even more) and ignore the whole mess the rest of the time. We can't afford it, no matter which party controls the government. Bill Clinton taught us that much.

The Democratic nominee is set. Vote as you will and expect no hysteria from me if you go with someone other than Kerry, but, for me personally, the need to get rid of Bush is too large. (Not that it'll make any difference in Georgia.) Unresolved IWR issues noted and not forgotten, I'm voting for Kerry. You, do according to you best lights.

Just be ready to be back at it in January.

I heard internal polls show Georgia damn close.

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make a difference. If we win Georgia we will win the election by a huge margin and win places like Ohio, Louisiana, West Virginia, New Hampshire, Nevada, and Florida in addition to the states Gore won. Georgia will literally be icing on the cake.

...and I'll sleep when I'm dead.

Voting in Kerry certainly does not mean that we do not hold him to his promises and to larger, Democratic ideals...

One thing is for sure- you will have a much better chance inserting your values into a Kerry admin than with a 2nd Bush term...

If Kerry wins, the DLC and conservative Democrats will be there crowing about how this means a mandate for their policies. There's no way that any progressives can afford to sit back thinking (like after Clinton in 1992) that a Kerry election will mean the end of the right-wing Republican's rule. It will be just the beginning.

Kerry is very liberal - much more so than Clinton. And in reference to the original poster: Kerry is also to the left of Lieberman.

And I also find it sad that some are defining this election as whether the DLC wins as opposed to whether Bush wins.

I could just as easily say that if Kerry loses, the far left of the party will be dancing in the streets because the DLC was defeated - until they sober up and realize who won.

And after seeing your avatar, Dean is/was a part of the group you despise so much. He may no longer be a member of the DLC, but his policy beliefs have not changed.

Or at least that's the way we need to approach it. We know that Bush has done so many bad things for the country that most people would be crazy to vote for him. If we keep this attitude come November and if Bush continues to slip in the polls, some of these "red" states may not be so red anymore.