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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-04 11:09 AM
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Howard Dean to get a Pennsylvania delegate
PETER JACKSON

Associated Press


HARRISBURG, Pa. - Sen. John Kerry won Pennsylvania's Democratic presidential primary by a landslide, but one of the 178 delegates the state sends to the party's national convention will be pledged to Howard Dean.

Dean, the former Vermont governor, quit the nomination race in February but left his name on the Pennsylvania ballot. In this week's election, he attracted more than the required 15 percent of the vote in the 1st Congressional District, which includes parts of Philadelphia and Delaware counties, according to party officials who analyzed the returns.

The Dean delegate is Mark B. Cohen, a 30-year veteran of the state House of Representatives from Philadelphia. Cohen acknowledges that his role in the July convention in Boston will be largely symbolic since Kerry has far more than the 2,162 delegates he needs to clinch the nomination.

"I doubt I will be called on to vote for Dean" at the convention, Cohen said.

more: http://www.centredaily.com/mld/centredaily/news/local/8573637.htm
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-04 11:15 AM
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1. That is so great
I have always known I was right to support Dean but when he carried Vermont by a 2 to 1 margin, after having left the race, I had my proof. Those who knew him best, treated him best.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-04 12:35 PM
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2. Plus the fact that Dean has not been campaigning for weeks
Kucinich and LaRouche are still campaigning, and Kucincich actually rat TV ads here in PA. Not a very good investment of money.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-04 02:52 PM
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3. do you know what percentage overall Dean got in Pa?
Great news. Everyone talks of Clark, Gep, Graham as possible rnnning mates for Kerry but of all the people who retired from the race Dean is the one who still gets the most votes state after state (with the possible exception of Edwards in some states) and is an indication of how strong his support is--still.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-04 02:55 PM
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4. The fit is bad
Anyone but Kerry and Dean would have to be seriously considered for the VP slot, but the fit with Kerry would be very bad.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-04 02:59 PM
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7. I tend to agree
but I think Dean is the only one who could help bring Kerry sizable portions of the people who may be flirting with voting Green/Nader in 2004. When you think that 2.8 million voted for Nader in 2000 it is a powerful constituency. Certainly Gep nor even Edwards (imo) could bring them over.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-04 06:38 PM
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17. I agree with this philosophy. We are thinking in terms of *states*
when the Nader factor is being ignored. That factor may weigh HEAVILLY in the coming election. Perhaps more so then any individual state?
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goobergunch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-04 02:56 PM
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5. PA results
DEAN, HOWARD (DEM) 79,353 (10.1%)

KUCINICH, DENNIS J. (DEM) 30,216 (3.8%)

EDWARDS, JOHN (DEM) 76,614 (9.7%)

LAROUCHE, LYNDON H. JR. (DEM) 22,040 (2.8%)

KERRY, JOHN F. (DEM) 578,811 (73.5%)

http://web.dos.state.pa.us/perl/elections/elec_results/dsf/statewide1.cgi?choice=USP&eyear=2004&etype=P

My mom being one of those 79353 Dean voters.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-04 02:57 PM
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6. excellent
Pennsylvania is one of Dean's best states since leaving the race. 10-plus percent is nothing to sneeze at either. Thanks for posting.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-04 03:00 PM
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8. Get out of town
That is really astounding. BTW, so was Edwards showing.
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HalfManHalfBiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-04 05:05 PM
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10. So Dean got his ass kicked
What else is new?
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-04 05:21 PM
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11. He isn't running anymore
that means that 1 out of 10 PA Democrats preferred to waste their vote on someone who isn't even running than to choose between Kerry and Kucinich. He beat Kucinich who was running over 3 to 1.
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HalfManHalfBiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-04 05:54 PM
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14. Touche. Consider me punked.
But don't blame me, I voted for Kerry.
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CTLawGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-04 09:30 PM
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21. can we blame you if Bush wins again?
NT
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-04 06:39 PM
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18. LOL
:hi:

YUP!
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Spirochete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 03:25 AM
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28. He can't help it
his thought processes are controlled by the biscuit half. hehe
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goobergunch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-04 06:13 PM
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15. So you're calling my mom a dumbass? (n/t)
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-04 09:20 PM
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20. well another way to look at it
is nearly 25% of Pennsylvania Dems voted for someone other than Kerry to be their nominee. That is a pretty significant number.
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CTLawGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-04 09:32 PM
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22. well...
they're all traitors to their party :crazy:

and they'd better fall in line, or Ill throw a tantrum :cry:
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Lugnut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-04 11:04 PM
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24. Well call me a dumbass
As far as I know Dean has no relatives in PA. There are about 79,352 people in addition to me who voted for the man they wanted....period.
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hellhathnofury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 01:29 AM
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26. Wow!
I come back after a month hiatus and see good news, only to find your inanely rude post.

Dean is as much a Democrat as Kerry, deal with it.
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hellhathnofury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 01:30 AM
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27. Wow!
I come back after a month hiatus and see good news, only to find your inanely rude post.

Dean is as much a Democrat as Kerry, deal with it.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 07:40 AM
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29. He got about 10% of the vote
http://web.dos.state.pa.us/perl/elections/elec_results/dsf/statewide1.cgi?choice=USP&eyear=2004&etype=P

He did slightly better than Edwards,but a lot better than Kucinich and LaRouche who are still 'running.'
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-04 03:41 PM
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9. He and Edwards both continue to receive lots of votes, comparitively
That should speak volumes to both Kerry and the DNC...
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-04 06:25 PM
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16. Please elaborate
Some would have us believe that the only reason would be idiocy among Pennsylvanian voters.
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Demoiselle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-04 10:43 PM
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23. I voted for Dean in PA
So sue me. I did it as a gesture of thanks. I'm a committeeperson in Philly and things were settled long before my vote could make any difference, but what the hell. I watched Dean with admiration throughout the primary season. Even though the powers that be shot him down, he really galvanized us Dems, and he still makes tremendous sense whenever he appears on TV. I'm waiting patiently for Kerry to swing into gear, and will do my best this fall to get him 95 percent of the Philly vote. We delivered 85 percent to Gore in 2000. Cheers! (It felt good to vote for Howard, for what it's worth. I was never a committed Deaniac...but I still think he got robbed.)
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-04 06:47 PM
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19. I agree. Edwards would be a good choice also.
Edited on Sun May-02-04 06:47 PM by mzmolly
;)

Either of these guys would be better than Gep?? *sigh* Though I will vote for Kerry/Gephardt should that be the ticket.
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mdguss Donating Member (631 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-02-04 11:34 PM
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25. Bradley Got 20% Way After He Dropped out in 2000:
Edited on Sun May-02-04 11:36 PM by mdguss
Late primaries piss off people because they feel like they didn't have a chance to vote. In 2000, Bradley got 20 percent, LaRoche got a scary 4.5 percent and Gore got 75 percent. McCain got 22.7% in 2000--again long after he dropped out.

Most people that vote in the Pennsylvania primary (which was traditionally in May, and has been moved up to April) want to have an earlier primary so their votes matter. So those upset people run go vote for their candidate even though he/she dropped out--because it doesn't really matter, and because it's a statement for an earlier primary. There's really nothing special about Dean or Edwards' results. Compared to 2000, and the success of McCain and Bradley they both faired poorly.

Source: http://www.politics1.com/vote-pa.htm
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 08:06 AM
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31. Not really
Bradley had no one to split with. If you add Dean and Edwards you get the over 20% that Bradley got.
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mdguss Donating Member (631 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 11:34 AM
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32. No Edwards and Dean= 19%
Still lower than Bradley and LaRocuhe's 25. This isn't really that unusual--and its not a sign of weakness on the part of Kerry.
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Demoiselle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 01:48 PM
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33. Bradley was a Jersey guy
Almost a local boy in the southeast corner of PA. That would have helped some...
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 07:44 AM
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30. Yet Edwards is affiliated with the DLC along with Kerry
Just because he talks a different game, doesn't mean his record is that far away from Joe Lieberman.
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TakebackAmerica Donating Member (782 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-03-04 01:52 PM
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34. Go Cohen!
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