Shock and dismay from the GOP: Zogby says Kerry wins in November

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Several speeches at the Free Congress Foundation last week ...


What John Zogby told the group upset most of them -- but his message came through loud and clear. While most pollsters view this election as Bush's to lose, he believes this election is Kerry's to lose.

He said that usually at this time of year, 20-25% of the electorate is undecided, but this year there only 5% of the electorate is undecided. Finding such people when polling is becoming exceedingly difficult, he told us. Moreover, the soft vote, that is the people who MIGHT be persuaded to vote for the other guy, is only 10% -- a historic low.

Zogby told us that while this is Kerry's election to lose, he might just lose it. He absolutely dismissed suggestions that are coming up from both the left and right that Kerry is proving to be such a bad candidate he might be replaced. He thinks Kerry will rise to the occasion at the end of the campaign, when it counts.

Zogby said to remember Gov. Bill Weld, who was thought to be the favorite against Kerry but who lost a close election when Kerry came alive and beat him. He said Kerry, like Bush in 2000, is constantly underestimated. He thinks veterans will be crucial in this election and right now Kerry has an edge with veterans because he has emphasized them so much and because there is some dissatisfaction with the way that Bush is handling the war.

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...having the Pres., and both Houses of Congress full of republicans, is like letting a group of 5 year olds loose in a candy store for about 3 hours - total havoc, and a mess that adults have to clean up later.

Democrats ran this country well for decades. Republicans cant do a two car funeral.

he makes up s* - this time s* that we like, but s* nevertheless. Ignore and work for it.

And where is your evidence that Zogby makes shit up?

I really don't understand this "buyer's remorse" stuff I've read about from some Dems.

We are almost exactly six months out from the election.

That's one-half of a year away.


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a CNS news article that doesn't set the hair up on the back of many here ;)

The fate of this great nation lies on his shoulders.

Have almost always been at odds with other pollsters, but for the most part, his analysis has frequently been correct, as the 2000 election showed. Even his polls showed Gore winning but he insisted that Bush would take the electoral college.

GOP are in the same sentence, my day is made

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

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to turn on Bush. It was Bush and Rumsfield who set the rules, or lack of them that allowed the "abuse" (really torture and war crimes) to happen. They are the ones who declared that prisoners did't fall under Geneva Convention guidelines. They are the ones who didn't allow the U.N. Human Rights Commission and Amnesty International in to inspect the condition of prisons and prisoners. They are the ones who didn't establish a chain of command that could have stopped the abuse before it happened. Call it lack of institutional control, failure of civilian oversight, dereliction of duty, whatever you want to call it - Bush and Rumsfield are guilty and should be held accountable. Rumsfield should be forced to resign and Bush should announce he is not seeking "reelection" because he has failed in his responsibilities as Commander In Chief.

Zogby told us that while this is Kerry's election to lose, he might just lose it.

He didn't give us his explanation on why Kerry could lose this election.

when a right-wing propoganda organ gives you nothing to slam Kerry with.

You have my condolences

Give it a rest will you? Don't you have a job or something to do?

he always has, look at how he battled back in the primaries.

At then end, not the beginning. THe only thing that is appropriate for him to do at this time is to counter what it is necessary for the incumbent to do in the early stages, and that is to marginalize his opponent. Which is something that is not succeeding to the degree necessary to keep Bush secure of a win. Most of the fools who expect Kerry to be mapping out a bold vision right now are the type of people who would publish seccret batttle plans on the cover of the Wasnington Post a month before they engaged in a battle. I find it extremely funny reading all of the posts about Kerry doing nothing now,and criticising it, when that is exactly the best strategy to engage in. Let Bush's policies pull him down right up until before the elections, and then come out swinging. Exactly as he did with Dena. when Dean was in the spotlight, his past record wass in the spotlight, almost daily. All Kerry had to do was allow the weight of the media pointing out things Dean had done in the past that were at odds with his campaign platform, the public begins to not know what is true, and begins to question Dean. Kerry then took advantage of that attention. And it worked. And staying out of the media eye only to counter negative Bush and Cheney ads, Kerry diminishes attention on himself while the Presidents screw ups are on the frton page and getting worse.

as well he should since he cannot honestly talk about soft and hard support. The way all pollsters(some less honest even)badger and urge opinions from respondents the results obscure the truth and miss the point.

Bush has done things to appall, infuriate ans frighten people of all parties and persuasions. His support has to be based on denial. Zogby can't tell THAT to half the pros buying his services. People may have "made up their minds" but the anger of people unwilling to respond to polls generally may betoken something Zogby will not say, does not want to think about.

Common sense will tell you that Bush's core is obstinate, self-made buffoons and dupes skating on a melting layer of thin ice lies to November. They DO NOT want to lose power. Pieces of their soul are going into the hopper of the Bush dark star. Outside this core everything might be lost once Kerry offers an alternative that is honest intelligent and hopeful. This core is more than matched by rabid ABB and Democratic movements who have the supreme luxury not only of representing the best of America but almost the entire realm of truth.

The "it's his to lose" saying is code. It is meant to soothe the bad message the timorous adviser is trying to present. It is meant to say that like McCain or dean, Kerry will crumble in some nonsensical irrelevant trap maybe of his own making. Most of the others(Perot I remember) had this honor phrase bestowed on them about a month before they twisted fatally on the knife of the GOP slur machine.

This avoids the main truth. That all polls cannot honestly present the mushiness of the opinions they gather or they would be out of business. They are also skewed from reality which puts the sympathetically in the Bush universe, the corporate Pollyanna model of positive refashioning of the world as God knows it.

The best Americans are roused against Bush. The best Americans are poorly represented in their leadership. Most Americans are brainwiped
and drugged when it comes to political viewpoints. They arrive at their choices from a myriad of paths(jobs, war, issues, personalities) even the media Pied Piper if the candidates lack so much substance that it works.

Bush is losing daily every time an American wakes up to one of his heinous crimes and horrid personal revelations. The work of Kerry is to raise the flag from the mud and give them someone to vote for. There is more to the opposites paradigm than issues and values and real character. The campaigns are opposites.

Bush is degenerating to a shameless baby-kissing goon who flubs and fakes and mishandles unsubstantial PR while the house is burning around him. Kerry is moving among the real people, speaking like his own man, a real man with a record and promise so far beyond Bush it is like looking into the sun.

Instead the media and the usual handwringing suspects(Democrats are dismayed, Kerry should, voters are) are phonying up the crazy disparity in some twilight zone of pure (unadulterated with truth)media assassination that they think always works(always is a long long time for a nation born in 1776) when in fact the people in the majority are not the perfect uniform flock they(like Zogby) think are subjects for their professional powers.

The experts are frauds. In the sixties it was about betrayal, blackmail and subterfuge. Today it is fraud and hucksterism top to bottom. Pick your vice. The bodies will keep piling up until decent people take control of the means of communication and their own government.

This is still being framed as a contest totally outside the indisputable superiority of Kerry for the good of the nation and terrible record and character of Bush. This is so because otherwise it would offend "powerful" people squatting in offices thanks to the media and our Neville Chamberlains. Otherwise there would be no contest and what would happen then? They are trying maintain an unreal world in which all their frauds, their money and influence rides in the balance on a very bad poker hand and idiots too shaky to get better ones out of their sleeve.

The eyes of America- alone in all the world- are powerfully diverted from the naked truth. I am not sure in my lifetime any wall like this ever fell with the potential force riding up their with our illiterate Humpty Dumpty.