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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 01:39 AM
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Is there a realistic chance of carrying West Virginia?
I'm starting to believe it should be written off, or at the most, not be given very much importance.

It has about the same chance going for Kerry as MI has of going to Bush. It's not likely.

I was just thinking with the recent torture allegations (and that woman was from the state), there seems to be little concern over there. I also read a few reports which said that many are still supporting the war.

Don't get me wrong. I don't think all or even most WVans are such ignorant fools, but it seems as though the state isn't moving from where it was four years ago according to polls, plus that 5-6% which Bush won it by is hard to switch, that too with a "massachussets liberal".

It's strange because it went to Dukakis, and Clinton both times. Is the state trending republican otherwise?
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 01:45 AM
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1. Maybe as long as there aren't to many towns like this
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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 01:45 AM
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2. It only went to Bush* last time because of the gun control issue.
Their economy is not doing well. If Kerry wins there it will be on economic issues. Don't forget, they've elected Byrd over and over like he's the Energizer Bunny.
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doc03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 08:59 PM
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10. Also Clinton lost WV for betraying the steel industry.
When Kerry came to Wheeling a couple weeks ago I think if he would have said that he disagreed with Clinton on steel he may have had a chance here. Instead he never even mentioned steel he criticized Bush
for not enforcing the trade laws, when everyone here knows it was Clinton that wouldn't even take the steel issue to the ITC. Kerry said that if the ITC ruled that there was unfair trade he would stand up to the WTO and put tariffs on. When asked if he would put the steel tariffs back on if he was elected he said no that the WTO ruled against them????????
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 01:51 AM
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3. There is a realistic chance of carrying every single state
These bush mistakes are going to keep happening right up to election day. The moron has a long history of failure, he isn't going to all of a sudden change. In addition, history will pin the blame for the 9/11 tragedy squarely on his furrowed chimp slopeheaded brow.
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Moloch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-07-04 08:18 AM
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4. "Is there a realistic chance of carrying West Virginia?"
Edited on Fri May-07-04 08:19 AM by damkira
Really I think the only states we don't have any realistic chance of carrying are South Carolina, Alabama, Mississippi, Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, Nebraska, Missouri, Wyoming, Idaho, North Dakota and Alaska. All other states I think are winnable.
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King of New Orleans Donating Member (991 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 05:56 PM
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9. I think you meant to type Montana
not Missouri
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Leilani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 04:17 AM
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13. How about Utah?
No way!

Georgia? Fat chance!

Indiana? No!

And I would not count on South Dakota, Idaho, or Virginia.
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genius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 12:53 PM
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5. Nader cost Gore West Virginia. This year it will be electronic Voting
Unless we get rid of electronic voting, we won't get any swing states.
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Adenoid_Hynkel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 03:34 PM
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7. Not True - That's a lie
Bush beat Gore by a larger margin than Nader's percentage of votes. nader had no effect here in 2000. Anyone who says so has been conditioned like Pavlov's dogs to blame Nader for everything that went wrong in 2000, while absolvinbg Gore's inept campaign, corporate globalist record, and tendency to take states like WV for granted.

Bush visited wv 5 times in 2000. Gore didn't make an appeaance here until late august, and then he only came back once more. despite the fact that polls constantly showed that he was going to lose, he took the state for grantedc and assumed it would go democratic.
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 03:42 AM
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12. I hate Nader
as much as everyone else, but Nader really didn't cost him that state...

Nader can be said to have costed Gore only FL and NH. Those were the only two states where the number of Nader votes were greater than the margin, where Bush won. OTOH, IA, OR, WI, and MN could have gone toward Bush, because the number of Nader votes were greater than the difference. Of course, Gore won these states, but barely. I hope Nader voters in those states (and most others for that matter) reconsider their support for Nader or a third party. Of course, I think Kerry can do a better job of attracting such voters as well.

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mndemocrat_29 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 02:42 PM
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6. West Virginia could go to Kerry in 2004
This is one of the top five red states I see going to Kerry (along with Ohio, New Hampshire, Arkansas, and Arizona)
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Adenoid_Hynkel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 03:41 PM
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8. kerry needs to match bush in visits
he's has 1 so far

bush is doing his 2nd this year on monday

kerry needs to get back here and quick so that he can dispell that 'bush cares about wv so much because he comes here so much' b.s.
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-08-04 09:41 PM
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11. WV should always
be Democratic
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rebellious woman Donating Member (165 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 07:54 AM
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14. I remember they said that about President Kennedy, however;
when Kennedy ran, he went there and just wowed
them, tho they were wary, they voted for him. He
shall we say "went into the lions den" and that
is what Kerry has to do.
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WVhill Donating Member (245 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-09-04 10:46 AM
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15. Yes, but only if he changes his strategy.
Edited on Sun May-09-04 10:49 AM by WVhill
This has been discussed here before. Kerry won't win by visiting the larger cities. He needs to do a listening tour through the rural areas. Those made the difference for Bush in 2000. The metropolitan areas went for Gore in 2000. So why is Kerry wasting time in areas that he has locked up?

Gore's stand on gun control cost him West Virginia which is a shame because it is a Democratic state. Kerry needs to bury any gun control stand. In West Virginia you can own any firearm you want including so-called assault rifles as long as you meet the federal requirements.
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