Bush Haters in Unexpected Places?

Who has found a Bush / Repug hater in an unexpected place?

Here's mine...

The old couple we buy our fruit and vegies from in Brandon, FL are virulently anti-Bush! These are not wealthy or well-educated folks, just average folk who can see the forest for the trees. Somehow our conversation turned to Bush and that set them off and they couldn't seem to stop bashing... For example: in reference to Bush's reelection, she said "he was never elected in the first place!"

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could you send me a message and let me know so I we can begin getting our fruits and veggies from them - they've earned it as far as I'm concerned. I didn't think there were any anti-* people here. Don't post the exact location on here I don't want lurking freepers to know where they are and harass them. We are in that area too. Thanks.

Glad to give them more business. They're a nice old couple.

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My Professor, Arthur Hertzberg, 83, a prolific thinker our time. In the beginning of last semester he was in the hospital for a broken hip and was always yelling about things to the hospital staff. As the story goes, when an administrave person from the hospital asked him who he was, he said (Shouted really), "I'm a life long democrat and I will spend my last breath to get that son of a bitch Bush out of office!"

after the formalities (where to, how to get there, etc.) the first thing that was said to me by my Cab Driver was, "What do you think about this Irag thing?". Her comments were that we should leave Iraq, shouldn't have went there in the first place, looking a lot like Vietnam, etc. She said other people at work ask her how she could say things like that, at a time like this. Her response was that she lives in American, this is a free country and she doesn't trust her government.

Driving a lexus...
Pulled up behind me, i thought: "oh, jeeeze here it comes...."
As I have had a lot of freaks react to my kerry stickers, instead (quite refreshingly) he said " hey, I love your stickers!"
He then gave me a hand full of buttons and a stack of window signs..... it felt so good to meet one of us!

Gooba, Gobba!

God what a horrible day, but for this one man and his wife.

The DAY that they caught Saddam at Christmastime, I and a couple of people from my Dean meetup group had said we were going to go help the marines outside Town East Mall to get Toys for Tots from the folks driving by the mall. (I didn't know they'd caught Saddam until I was in the car with the radio on on the way to the mall.)

I might have had a bit warmer reception, but with Saddam newly captured, being a liberal that day was VERY uncomfortable. Especially when I'd worn my Dean shirt over a couple waffle patterns (it was cold!). I thought a couple more of my meetuppers were going to be there, but they ended up showing up later, and 1 forgot. I was all alone in a sea of gung-ho marines!

I walked up and down Town East with a container for the money and taking toys-- still got plenty from folks regardless of their political affiliation. But I got plenty of thumbs down and "Bush rules!" and "Dean sucks."

This one couple smiled real big at me, handed me some money, then he handed me an extra $5 and said, "That's for the shirt!" We had a laugh and I told him about our meetup. That made the rest of the day SOOOO much easier to bear!

Now..I'm 51. I was draft bait 32 years ago. Like many I protested vehemently, burned my draft card, attended peace rallies, and generally joined the movement.
I've found it, at least amusing, that some of my peers with similar backgrounds have become full-fledged chickenhawks. For the most part, however, I've found that most of the people old enough to remember the mistakes of the past are firmly against the current "war" and by proxy, the Buxh admin.
What disturbs me is ...Where are the young men and women whose asses are now on the line ? Are they taking to the streets in anger and civil discourse to bring this government back to a sensible course ? Has Madison Avenue finally convinced them that "It's all about the bling" ?
When some of my peers reached an age beyond the draft they became cheerleaders for war. I hope it doesn't take another draft to compel the youth of America to realize that a change in policy is in their own best interests.
Where are the kids ?!

front lines against Nam. I couldn't agree with you more. I spent 30 years working for an extra-large computer manufacturer and knew alot of folks that had protested and been at least a little-bit 'hippie' in the 60s and 70s and then went over to the 'Dark Side' as they began to accumulate wealth. But alot of us remember! Now I'm on an university campus and all I get to see are Young Repubs yelling 'Go, USA'. Wonder if it will change with another draft or if they are so brain washed into the consumer mode?

They're 24 and 20 and I try to keep them up to date. My son (20) is more interested and easier to get worked up about this stuff. He's going off to 4-yr college in the fall and maybe he'll get involved in stuff there. I don't know the political climate at the college he's going to (Edinboro University, anyone?), so I'm not sure how much will be going on there.

I'm not so sure they're much different than kids in the 6o's & 70's. It's hard to remember exactly, but the kids who protested then were a minority, I believe. They were more visible, though, because it was the first real dissent in the US.

We youngins are out there protesting, but the press doesn't cover it.

Woman's suffrage?

Veterans marching on the white after WWI?

What about the Civil Rights protests even before the Vietnam War?

Are you damn well joking?!?

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where are all those who protested the Viet Nam war? We all have responsibilities to be politically active and too many of us became complacent and caught up in our own lives.

I always cringe when folks appear to blame the youth for today's problems. It's up to all of us to use our power and lead by example.

in this goddamn economy. :-)

for the problems incurred by Buxh policies.
At the risk of sounding like an old man with a story of yesteryear.. things were much different then in terms of values. Brand recognition wasn't an issue then. We weren't encouraged to show our wealth as a badge of success. Even John Lennon wore welfare glasses and an army surplus field jacket.
Since then the corporate-powers-that be have brought about changes in what we believe to be important. (MTV too). Now we seem judged by the labels on our clothes to the point that the names are worn on the OUTSIDE of our apparel ! Why do people buy Hummers ?
I can give credit to ANY young person in this forum just for joining and being active in DU. It gives me hope.
In fact, I trust kids are smarter than I was at that age... No one told me then that the only real reason for the draft card I burned was as an ID to buy beer....DAMN !

of our culture. I don't blame the youth for that so much as I blame the media, corporations, schools, and parents. I'm not much younger than you are and I truly don't see youth today as that much more apolitical than my peers when I was their age. I have two teens who are very interested and involved in politics. Their friends are also. I think the bigger problem is too many folks our age are not involved in our communities and in the political system. The entire culture, and yes a part of it is overworked families barely making it, seems intent on entertainment and material wealth.

so much as trying to educate many of them about what's happening in their world right now.

Sometimes, it seems like we're screaming at the top of our lungs, and they're just caught up in the Britney/American Idol/Puffy/mall existence.

I can't blame them. I was the same at that age. I hated politics. I had a shitty government teacher who could have really inspired me and DIDN'T.

I just wish there was some way to impress on these kids how much more is at stake now than it was even a few years ago.

I don't want to generalize. I realize a lot of kids are very involved. And I SALUTE their parents wholeheartedly! I would give anything to change my life and have parents who stood for something. It would have made so much more of a difference. Those of you who are taking your kids to marches and demonstrations are breeding a new generation of progressives, and I KNOW it will inspire them.

Thank you....I coulda saved a lot of typing, had I waited a minute.

If we all keep doing what we can where we are, things are bound to begin changing for the better.

I try to be an optimist.

I am 69-yrs young and I have a 17-year old, very compassionate grandson who thought he would be more Conservative and a Bush supporter. He and his family had resided in Virgina and the only time we were able to be together was yearly vacations. He is now living 10-miles from me ..... a grandparent who has survived Vietnam, Cancer and a stroke and a lifelong activist. He at first thought of me as a senile, old hothead but as he has had the opportunity of watching and listening to me debate others about the Iraqi War, the military (worked 30-years with military agencies), The Liberal Media, Neocons vs GOP, George W. Bush, Ashcroft, etc., etc. and been able to support my facts ... THANKS TO DU...while those debating me could not give any basis for opinion. I have held my own and even had some change their opinions. I told him that I knew he had a brilliant mind and that I did not expect him to accept or agree with everything I had to say but I wanted him to keep his mind and his eyes open to what others say and don't automatically accept others statements because they are higher up on the political chain and you think that are "see all, Know all."

With all of the scandal coming out on a daily basis now and with the help of Jon Stewart, my grandson has taken an interest in what is going on and he now approaches me with questions. I think I have convinced him that I am neither senile, nor grouchy old fart, but a informed senior citizen. Keep talking to, or around your young people .....they are smart and are really listening.

Yes.

If today's Imperial Subjects, especially the younger ones, wish to rebel, they can buy a t-shirt or get another piercing.

I call it "Selling Rebellion by the T-Shirt".

If the Republic was Healthy and Vigorous, this would not be quite the tragedy it is.

But with the American Experiment as close to gone as we have ever seen in our lives, this is a fatal trait. But, like their t-shirts, it was sold to them lock, stock, and barrel.

some encouraging news the last week. I have meet 3 Bush converts,(a retired businessman, business owner and a college student) and one local Christian Church leader handing out pamphlets on why Christians should not support Bush. For a very, very conservative area, I felt some encouragment.

A life-long Republican and Republican office holder (coroner). At a visitation last week: "I've never voted for a Democrat for President, but I will this year; it's time to put an end to this farce."

in my neighborhood. I've seen it around a few times, but I've never met the owner. It's got a "Charlton Heston is my President" sticker on the rear bumper.

I have a "regime change begins at home, vote out Bush/Cheney" sign in my front yard. One day that pickup truck pulls up in front of the house and two guys who look like they'd just come off the set of "Deliverance" jump out.

Well, I recognized the truck, and I have to admit I was feeling kind of intimidated. I was wondering if I should make a run for my baseball bat when one of the guys said - and I quote, "Where can I get me one o' them signs? We gotta get rid that sumbitch." Then he went on a tirade about Iraq! Then he tore Clinton up one side and down the other but concluded with "At least he ran the economy OK."

So I gave him my sign.

Holy crap!

I think that one definitely takes the cake! I'm impressed!

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with a friend in our conservative town. We were wearing our Kerry shirts and this guy comes in..raises his fist in the air and yells "Go Kerry". Loudly says "Bush has to go...I'm a Republican who has never voted for a Democrat but I'm voting to Kerry". Ranted on and on about how bad bush is. We were getting nervous - everybody looking at him and us. Asked how he could help and we gave him bumperstickers and pins...and info about MeetUP.

These two women were looking at us and we thought they were going to give us some "bushit". They wanted to help too.

We have about five Republicans who never voted Dem but are sick of bush coming to our Kerry MeetUps. One of them is the hardest worker.

At the MoveOn voter reg training the other night there was a group of Pro life Republicans there who were fed up also.

These stories are so great!

today I donated baked goods to a Moveon sale in Portland, Ore. The Democratic Party had a booth set up next to it. I was hanging around and an older woman came up and said "I've been a Republican all my life, but I'm fed up with Bush and going to go Democratic." I just smiled.

keep up the good work. I have 11 converts to IND and D as of today...and I'm in Nebraska!

One vote at a time...bush is going down.

You all are doing great!!!!!:D