Should Dean run as an Independent in 2008 if Kerry loses?

We know the Democratic establishment and the media will never allow Dean to win the nomination.

I am tired of our Democratic nominees sounding like Freepers as soon as they win the nomination.

1) Kerry says, no matter who wins, he or Bush will fight terror equally well.

2) Kerry tells Sharon he agrees he should keep the West Bank.

3) Kerry says Chavez is becoming a dictator.

Enough is enough, I am ready to jump ship come 2008 if this Bush-Lite candidate Kerry continues down this path. If we get a strong independent candidate like Dean in 2008, it will be the beginning of the end of this Bush-Lite Democratic party.

I think the second time around would work, being as he LEARNED ALOT this time around.

won't point would it prove to run as an independent when Dean has done so much for the DEM party.

plus, two words--Ralph Nader

Seriously - save yourselves!

However, if the Dems take Congress and start impeaching the whole Bush crime gang one at a time, and we survive, then Dean should run as a Democrat. He's non-DLC but still moderate, and has a chance.

The problem would seem to be the DLC, which picks GOP-lite, sure loser candidates and advises them to run dispirited, non boat rocking campaigns. They've alienated the Dem working class base, and they need to GO.

All of the attention seems to be on the Presidential race. However, even if Kerry is elected, and the present leadership in Congress remains in power, we're still screwed. We will, at best, have veto; if some wayward Democrats can't be prevented from moving over to the other side of the aisle on some votes, we won't even have that.
The Congress is were the Bills are passed or defeated, and appointments approved or defeated.

his loss on everything else except the candidate AGAIN?

But this time, let's fix the Democratic party (if possible) before they get a chance to put their fix in.

Otherwise let's form the People's Democratic party from the ashes of the old. There'll be a plenty of dead wood to burn if they blow it in November.

He gave those who wanted something for nothing,nothing for something.

Jeez, you third party pushers really need to get a grip.

If Clinton wins, the candidate who in most polls that inclded this candidate which indicated that they would wipe op the floor with every one of the nine democratic candidates should run. Hillary Clinton. By 2008, there will be enough distance between Bills administration, and the election, enough for Clintons Penis to not be a factor, and for Hillary to create even more of a name for herself in congress. She is fast becoming a very influential and powerful congressperson, and being in a second term would be a good time for her to run. If Kerry wins and is re-elected, so much the better. The Clinton Administrations good points will be well remembered and the bad points forgoten by most of the electorate and nothing the REpublicans can put up will touch her. Did you see Rummy today. He was unable to even look up or in her direction today under her questioning. Even when Dean was at the height of his polling numbers, when Hillary was brought into the mix, Deans polling percentages dropped into the high teens, while Hillary was pulling in the 40's and evenentually into the 50 percentages as the candidate who the Democratic electorate would want to select.

Deans monumental fall before Kerry's campaign will stick to him for a long time, and Hillaries star is continuallly rising.

I still find the Dean myth one of the most amusing footnotes of this campaign. A man who caused nearly half of the Democratic Party to jump ship in his own state due to his extreme conservatism in order to join the Vermont Progressive Party is hardly the man to move the Democratic Party away from its move towards the center, and its concilition with conservative elements.

Deans reputation as governor was to form alliances with the more conservative political elements in his state, while avoiding working with most of the elements of his own party in that state.

If you look at Vermont elections now, Republicans are firmly in power, because when Democrats run, they cannot garner more than 35 percent of the vote, while Vermont Progressive Candidates pull about 25 percent of the vote and the rift caused by Deans conservatism is so great that Progressives will have no part of forming coalitions with Democrats in order to keep Republicans out of office. While Dean was Governor, the Democratic Party of Vermont was continually moving furtther and furtther to the left of the national Democratic Party under the DLC, while under Deans leadership, he Governed in a style that was considered to far to the right by even DLC Democrats.

If anyone can be accused of making too many concessions to the right while they actually served in office, that is Howard Dean. He ran as a candidate who in no way, shape or form resembled the Governor who served in Vermont for 5 terms.

The Vermont Democratic Party is fairly clear in placing the blame for the democratic party being bled of those who were seeking progressive leadership to the Vermont Progressive PArty. Though I do not live in Vermont, I frequently donate to the Vermot Progressive Party, and frequently receive a great deal of information, and email from memebers of that party, who seem to have no problem directly talking to people who contact them and rarely delgate responses to underlings.

Year after Year in Vermont, whenever Dean would run, he would start playing Democrat again, and then simply not keep his progressive promises once elected, and every year, more and more Democrats abandoned the party, in order to go Progressive. Dean then had to appeal more and more to very conservative Democrats. but moreso, to moderate Republicans. The "Secret Energy Task Force" formed by Dean while he was Governor was led by A Moderate Republican Energy Executive who worked for a subsidiary of Hydro Quebec, and most of the members of this Task Force were Republican Energy Executives. Some of their recommendations were for Dean not to re-appoint the Democratic Environmentalist who originally at on the Vermont Environmental Board. Dean frequently used terms for his environmental terms to descirbe his ideas that are currently heard from the Bush Administrations environmental policy makers. Thing like Smart Growth. Business Friendly Environmentalism. You all know the drill.

Deans fall in part can be attributed to at least a fair percentage of the electorate noticing the disconnect between his campaign and his behavior as governor, and many of the sttements he made as governor, adn many of the political ideas and politicians who he supported at the national level while governor.

Right now about the only person I would change my support for from Kerry if they were to try to run would be Anthony Pollina, one of the Progressive Party's leaders.

That beat Dean. It was average Democrat voters all across this country who voted against him.

He will win next time.

Any liberal who runs as an independent will ensure a GOP victory.

1) Kerry says, no matter who wins, he or Bush will fight terror equally well.

Quote it! You know this isn't what he said!