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Leilani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 07:48 PM
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What if Bush pulls a fast one on Iraq before Nov. election?
I am starting to get worried.

With the Iraq situation getting worse & worse, & looking like a no-win situation, what if Bush changes tactics on Iraq? He could call for speeded up elections, & say we are giving the Iraqi people their freedom. And then, plan a pull out, announced before Nov.

And what if John Kerry is left, trying to support a plan to stay in Iraq, to send more troops, spend more money, etc.?

Yesterday on Meet the Press, Wes Clark said if the Iraqi people do not want us there, we should leave. Sounds like a good point to me.

And at this point, because Kerry voted for IWR, & has been accused of flip-flopping, could he change his position, & survive it?

And where would Nader, Kucinich, progressive voters go if this happened?
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 07:59 PM
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1. I wonder if Bush's base would stay with him
throgh a maneuver like that. He could end up losing all those True Believers & not picking up a lot of moderates.
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pleiku52cab Donating Member (674 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 08:01 PM
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2. AS I UNDERSTAND IT
coming up Wednesday is another request from rummy to congress for another 25 million for Iraq -- this one is supposedly only targeted for our troops and their infrastructure -- Kerry should wholly support it and PLAINLY draw comparisons to the earlier 87 million boondoggle bill that had all of those corporate giveaways attached to it.
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 08:08 PM
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4. Thats $25 billion, with a B nt
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zeemike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 08:05 PM
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3. Not until
The Iraq oil fields are in the hands of friends can we pull out.
Those reserves are the third largest in the world and have great value. We cannot let them get in the hands of someone hostile to us.
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Leilani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 08:26 PM
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5. But what if it means the election?
I think he would do ANYTHING to win.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 08:32 PM
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6. Like the Iraqi's?
Like maybe they'd be pissed at our 30 year Bush Republican policy of war against Iraq? That this hatred has finally reached 100% consensus of the population?

Eventually, we will have to give up those oilfields and concede them back to the Iraqis. I guarantee that Iraq will sell their resource to anyone other than America....we'll get our share, but we'll be paying the price in our taxes and at the pump.

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boxster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 08:34 PM
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7. I think Bush's position on Iraq is a safe bet.
He wouldn't be asking for more money and planning to call up umpteen more reservists if he wasn't planning on staying there a while.

Even if he did what you're suggesting, it would be political suicide. All Kerry would have to do is say, "Look, he blew Iraq up and now he wants to just abandon them and bail out?"

It'll never happen. Iraq is the first step in the neo-con plan. Leaving would be counterproductive to the grand scheme they have.
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Leilani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 08:49 PM
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8. But I am starting to hear the neocons singing
a different tune.

Richard Perle on C-Span yesterday said we should have turned over Iraq to the Iraqis already.

Kristol has been all over the place.

I just don t trust these guys as far as I can throw them. I think they will do anything to stay in power...even discard the Iraqis.
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boxster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 08:55 PM
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9. Agreed. Just when I think that they couldn't do anything more stupid,
they prove me wrong.

So, yes, upon further consideration, I'd have to consider it a possibility.

At the very least, he might make a bunch of announcements and schedule a bunch of things that he has no intention of ever going through with. Claiming that we're bailing out would bump him in the polls, then he can come back after the election and claim that it "just isn't possible at this time".

Wouldn't be the first time that they'd pulled something like that.
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 09:01 PM
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10. Maybe he has a secret plan to end the war?
Or maybe he'll call the pullout, something like "peace with honor"

Wait a second...where have I heard all of this before????
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boxster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 09:04 PM
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11. I still think that his ego may just be too big to do it.
Even if it's politically advantageous.

I'm having difficulty seeing how he could handle this without pissing off all of the neocons and without looking like a complete moron.
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wuushew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 09:27 PM
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12. Interesting..
perhaps taking on Syria or Iran will be analogus to Nixon bombing Cambodia set against a backdrop of gradual Vietnamization/Iraqification.
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LittleApple81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-10-04 09:31 PM
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13. bingo! And see what effects it had on Cambodia? n/t
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