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iluvchicago86 Donating Member (422 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 12:00 AM
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Wes Clark- Midwestern Darling
In the beginning I wasn't a Clark supporter whatsoever. I was a Dean kid all the way. But as we have all seen both the Dean and Clark camps didn't make it and were in the veep-stakes frenzy. Speaking as a Midwesterner Clark as VP will be able to bag this whole damn region, no sweat. Yeah, he's a southerner but that's not how he immediately strikes people. He has a very connectible sensibility that people are searching for that would perhaps accent Kerry's skills on the stump.
The south IMO is not shaping up to be the place where the battle shall be fought an won. Kerry and maybe Clark will have to keep a hold on all the Gore blue states plus OH and were fine. The Midwest is looking a bit shaky (God knows why...i still don't get it) and Clark is the perfect "window" for Kerry's message and he talks national security like no ones business. Clark is articulate and charismatic enough to catch ones attention but is not too "shiny" so as to detract focus from Kerry and his drive for the White House. Clark is perfect for this job guys and I for one will be really sad if Kerry's camp does not see Clark for the gold mine that he is. He can extend the hand of political logic to many swing voters and help them climb aboard the Kerry team. And the heartland is where people need this helping hand the most. Clark can help do this, but only if Kerry let's him.
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xray s Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 12:02 AM
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1. the secret weapon
Gert. She would roll over the Midwest and haul it in for Kerry and Clark (if that is the ticket)
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iluvchicago86 Donating Member (422 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 12:06 AM
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2. Gert is crazy energetic
I've seen her on TV and she's quite dynamic. She offers a counter attitude to Teresa's special appeal. It would be pretty neat to see her in action here in the Midwest. She would have influence, no doubt.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 09:21 AM
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24. What I would love to see is
Gert and Teresa campaigning together. They would rock. :thumbsup:
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 09:28 AM
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25. Gert is a scream
I've met her several times, and she rips 'em up!

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SoonerShankle Donating Member (294 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 12:07 AM
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3. I would like....
to see General Clark in a high level position in the Kerry administration, whether VP or NSA. He is definitely qualified even if he is a political neophyte. That's part of what I like about him. He truly isn't part of the beltway politics right now....

I've also joined WESPac too -- Dems are not soft on defense!!!!

:nuke:

SoonerShankle
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iluvchicago86 Donating Member (422 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 12:12 AM
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4. The "political neophyte"
stuff about Clark I think is a great advantage. He is new and full of all the qualities we need in a VP, without coming off as some sort of partisan hack. It provides a common sense approach to the swing voters who themselves are put off by the polarization of the political landscape. Clark can pacify the aversion people may have to this election with his broad based "newcomer" appeal.
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SoonerShankle Donating Member (294 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 01:06 AM
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9. ditto
He speaks to those disenfranchised with the political process. He is sincere; he is full of integrity; he cares about doing what is right. That is what makes him so different than the majority of shortsighted politicians who can only think of re-election. General Clark's 100 year vision is great. He thinks both long and short term -- that speaks volumes to Americans who are tired of the scandal du jour the current administration gives us.


Let's get a real regular guy in there!
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 09:08 AM
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22. Hi SoonerShankle!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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SlavesandBulldozers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 12:28 AM
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5. im still amazed
Edited on Tue May-11-04 12:29 AM by soundgarden1
that Clark didnt do better. The guy is so damn solid. I still remember Clark handing Asman his ass (or should i say "as") on national television. that was something to behold. It became evident that Clark has two gears, 1st)Im a nice handsome political neophyte and 2nd) im an ex-Nato supreme allied commander that will completely fuck you up.

Plus, i was reading in Richard Clarke's book about how Richard Clarke had witnessed Wes pulling people out of a burning armored personnel carrier, right before the damned thing exploded - like in some movie. Not as a trooper, but as a Supreme Allied Commander, Wes was still all about putting his life on the line for the mission.
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iluvchicago86 Donating Member (422 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 12:31 AM
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6. lol
Your second gear made me giggle. So funny...yet so completely true! Screw the buff "ahnold" image....Wes' image is one much more politically potent.
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Mattforclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 12:57 AM
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7. minor factual correction
Richard Holbrooke wrote about how Wesley Clark pulled rappeled down the cliff to the French APC, not Richard Clarke.
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Sopianae Donating Member (197 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 01:16 AM
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10. "another minor factual correction"
Richard Clarke mentioned the accident in his book, too. One of his colleagues was among the dead.
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Mobius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 01:19 AM
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12. Asman interview was Nov 17th I remember it well
Edited on Tue May-11-04 01:20 AM by Mobius
Look in my sig line for Clark videos to download and watch. The asman interview was nov 17, 2003, so go back to page 4 to find it. Enjoy!
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skooooo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 05:26 AM
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17. wait....you're saying

..that Clark was in a position of leadership and that he actually took responsibility for those around him??

What's up with that?!
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MontecitoDem Donating Member (542 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 01:01 AM
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8. If it's the midwest at issue I'm afraid
he'll pick Gephardt (yawn).

I hope they see the wisdom in picking Clark, and remember all the dough he pulled in!

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Mobius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 01:17 AM
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11. Hugh Shelton is an Edwards supporter.
You know, the jerk that started the "Clark being fired for reasons of honor and integrity"
What a major crock of shit that was :mad:
So screw Edwards and throw him attorney general bone.
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atre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 01:40 AM
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14. Actually, there is no credible evidence whatsoever
that Shelton is an Edwards supporter, and there is even less evidence that Edwards has anything to do with his decision to criticize Clark.

Notwithstanding the fact that Edwards has "consulted" with Shelton on foreign policy issues (with no money changing hands), I still think it's far more likely that Shelton is a Bush supporter given his political proclivities.

Regardless, even if Shelton has a beef with Clark, that has nothing to do with Edwards unless there is evidence (there isn't) that Edwards directed him to do so.

Pesky things like facts have never stopped the Clarkie crowd in the past, however, and I certain don't expect them to do so now. So go on.

As much as I love Clark as a person, it would be awfully difficult to vote for him as VP given the people who support him. I would do it, but it wouldn't be enjoyable... How can such a great person have such obsessive support from such people?
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LandOLincoln Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 02:30 AM
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15. As much as you "love Clark as a person," you
can't resist pissing all over any and every Clark thread you can find.

Odd habit, that.
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democratreformed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 09:07 AM
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21. Likewise.... back at you - it really does go both ways. n/t
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RafterMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 01:34 AM
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13. All Clarkies hanging out in GD2K4
MUST go read the article referenced in this post:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1574068

It's just dripping with Clark goodness. You will shake your head in wonder as he shreds the neocons in point after point after point. Enjoy.

And needless to say, I agree w/ iluv 100%.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 02:54 AM
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16. Most Excellent article!
That article could not have been better!

Clark is a DARLING. (period)
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 07:44 AM
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18. I hope the whole wide world reads that article
The whole wide word NEEDS this article and this man.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 08:26 AM
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19. actually of all the candidates it seems that
Edwards might be the one who could help most in the midwest given how well he did in Iowa and Wisconsin and how many votes he got in Ohio. Gen. Clark has been on the ballot even after dropping out of the race (just like the rest) but his showing after dropping out in various contests in the midwest and elsewhere has not been as good as Dean (who is not even in contention for VP) or Edwards (who is).
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 08:56 AM
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20. Damn Right He's A Midwest Darling
You should have seen the response when Clark came to Wisconsin (a battleground state) during his presidential campaign. I saw him in Green Bay in November at a town-hall meeting, with a jam-packed crowd at UW-Green Bay. I had the opportunity to ask a question (educational issue), have my picture taken with the General, meet Gert (wow!!), and get an autograph (Winning Modern War). More than my unbelievable good luck that day, was the response of the people there to Gen. Clark. They absolutely loved him! He has a sort of regal, dignified, good guy presence. Unforgettable day with an unforgettable man, for me, and for many!

P.S. Have any of you met Wes Clark,and want to share your
experiences?

P.S., P.S. Where do I write to get Wes to come and visit my classroom?
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TruthWins Donating Member (101 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 09:17 AM
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23. Clark & Edwards both have fans in Ohio
In NE Ohio, Clark had a very large contingent of volunteers working for him as soon as he got in the race. Those people are now working for Kerry & they would really have a ton of enthusiasm if Clark became VP. Clark was popular here although I personally was not inclined toward him.

Edwards did not have any buzz early but by the time the primary came along, Edwards had crowds of 800-1000 people coming to see him even though it was almost in the bag for Kerry at that point. He would be a popular choice here as well.

Both Clark & Edwards bring out a passion in people that Kerry really doesn't, so either one is a good choice. I think it allows them to be positioned as the strong, steady-if-not-so-exciting leader in Kerry and a VP that can arouse the passion and inspire people.
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markus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-11-04 09:54 AM
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26. He sure was the sweet heart of the rodeo in NoDak
Edited on Tue May-11-04 09:56 AM by markus
He was the favorite of the party leadership, and got a lot of favorable attention, but finally fell like Dean and the rest to the ABB=Kerry logic.

More importantly, I think he could really help.

I am reminded of how Roosevelt sent Huey Long to hussle the Dakotas in one of the elections after he was president and before Long's assasination. That was already Red country, but Long caught fire with the old Non-Partisan League and make a tremendous impact.

With Clark out working the Big Red Column that runs from North Dakota down the Mississippi and Missouri river basis (the "eastern" plains), I think he could keep Bush & Chenney tied up in knots trying to hold his base.


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