Kerry Has No "Vision"

I read the recent thinly veiled Kerry hit piece by Fineman in which he acknowledges that the Chimp is in trouble but essentially slams Kerry through the entire piece. If you haven't read it yet, I suggest you do to give you an idea of what Kerry is up against media-wise.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4961344

I just want to make a point that no one seems to be making regarding Kerry's supposed lack of vision and ideas and plans on what he will do when elected.

The current admin. is so wrapped up in secrecy and is so corrupt, how the hell can Kerry put forth any sort of realistic detailed plan or vision about anything whatsoever until he's actually in office and has the authority to open the books and see what the fuck is REALLY going on?

It's like being in a totally pitch black room and knowing you need to find the door, but first you have to be given directions to the hidden light-switch so you can actually see the door.

I think he actually HAS put forth a vision and plans as best as he can at this point.

Wake me when you have something intelligent or constructive to say.

Perhaps you should take a look at the recent batch of polls. Nahh, that would just ruin your little fantasy world now wouldn't it.

Just wondering.

But I thought this one was a good retort to the post.

It's nothing but an insult with no substance behind it.


If you want to make a retort, perhaps you should compose one. You know -- think and speak for yourself? Then the ideas you put forward could be discussed.

It doesn't even really look like him.

From the article:

"Kerry’s theory of this campaign is pretty straightforward: to be the guy people have no choice but to vote for on Nov. 2. Not because he has a stirring new vision (he doesn’t); not because he’s such a darned likable guy (he isn’t); but because circumstances are such that fair-minded “swing” voters have no choice but to pick him. He’s not running against the war, per se, but as the nobleman at the end of the Shakespeare play, a beacon of sanity on the battlefield. "

Well, it worked for him in Iowa and New Hampshire. I wouldn't be surprised to see it work against GWB.

Only a nutcase would think that primary voters "had no choice but to pick" Kerry.

is if they are learning about Kerry second hand, from the right wing controlled corporate media.

If you want to know about Kerry's vision for America for yourself, check out

http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/100days

Either that or they are part of the rightwing...

I work in Mass and the Dems and Repubs I work with don't like Kerry. The Dems will vote for him in November because Bush has to go, but they don't like Kerry.

Yeah, we'll just take your word for that :eyes:

imho

His Skull and Bonesman leadership skills do not inspire me to support him. He stands for what can get him ahead politically. He lacks the courage to take stands on issues that may lack popular support but are right for this country. He's a political opportunist and coward, in my book.

That and vague, unsubstantiated and untrue attacks on his character?


Why don't you try addressing the topic of the thread - Kerry's 'vision' of an energy independent America, with equal rights for all, where our government works for all of us instead of just the richest 1% of us.

when Kerry wanted to vote againt an increase in the minimum wage. Kerry's liberalism is in the past, mid-1980's. He left it there, save the rhetoric. His marriage to Repub Teresa Heinz started pulling him to the Right.

For the tenth time, Larkspur, Kennedy walked in to a meeting late where Kerry was repeating the Republican arguments against raising the minimum wage.

You also conveniently forget that Kerry walked the picket lines with janitors demanding a LIVING WAGE MINIMUM of 10.00 an hour.

That's the depth of the criticism? No actual comment on where you disagree with any of his policies, but just the fact that one of his strongest supporters once 'chastised' him? For a position Kerry never actually promoted, but just for thinking about it?

just like Kerry's policies.

My problem with Kerry stems from his 19 years in the senate and at least on major issues, like war, not demonstrating any political courage and sound judgement. He makes his decisions and policies based on his political ambitions, not what is right for this country.

conclusion?

by choice. Nixon would be so proud. So would Rev. Moon, both of who planted the stories long ago that Kerry was just a phony, an opportunist and a conspiracy theory nut.

Deny and slander and blame someone else.

Massachusetts didn't elect him for 20 years because they don't like him. For 20 years, every liberal group in this country has depended on John Kerry and he only let them down on the IWR vote. Just the vote, not the war, if they'd listen to what he's been saying for over a year. He has cancelled trips, turned around in mid-flight, raised funds for various groups with no publicity, worked incessantly for the people. Massachusetts knows it, the Democratic Party knows it, Kerry supporters know it, and when he's President, the whole country will know it.

You can continue sitting in the corner and pouting, for whatever reason you choose to do it.

Once they get into office, they face no credible challenger during the Dem Primary stage and suck up lots of cash from donors looking for favors. This cash is a big deterrent to up-and-coming challengers.

There is a feudalistic mentality, in both parties, to not challenge incumbants, unless they are becoming unpopular and a threat to the Party losing power. This lack of competition breeds voter apathy that we see today. The Party moguls stack the deck so that there isn't really much choice.

Kerry almost lost to Weld in 1996. Kerry had to break his pledge to follow campaign finance reform by, guess what, mortgaging his half of his Beacon Hills mansion, to get extra cash he needed to counter Weld. Weld was a popular Republican in Mass but voters, including Democratic ones, preferred him as their governor to counter the heavily Democratic legislature.

who do you work with?

is not something you have to read about on a candidate's website.

Vision is an entity that should radiate from the speaker. One should not need to go searching for it. It should be visible to all.

What is Kerry's vision? In all of the speeches I have heard, not once did I come away knowing what it is.

Does he sneak his vision between his 1st 15 minute answer to a yes and no question and his last 15 minute answer to yet another yes or no question?

Please, please tell me what Kerry's vision is!

a sane foreign policy, and a government that works for all of us, not just for the 1% richest of us.

into the 21st century ... remember the Bridge to the 21st century? It was sabotaged at the end of 2000 ... by Republican terra-ists and mobs ...

as far as I'm concern ... the torch was stricken from us, and remains back on the Plains of the 1960s ... do we expect "vision" to come out of the PR rooms of Hill & Knowlton???

a vision comes from humans, not entities ... it builds upon the visions of our Founders ... it ENvisions the world ... not necessarily in specifics, but in general terms and goals ... what the world CAN be ... and that it can be improved and better ...

when people say they're looking for 'vision' ... it's just not something listed on a website ... it's the ability to inspire ... through words and ideas, of course ... vision that will excite the younger generations to have hope for the future ...
it doesn't just come from supporters saying you're just not listening nor visiting his website ... a vision ... a voice which will restore the Public Trust ... that will encourage community and the whole thrill of achieving great things ...

and, especially, to challenge George's words: the first war of the 21st century ... that doesn't inspire; it provides nothing to aspire to ... and, * should be slammed for making such a dreadful course/curse/goal for the world

we could ...

... build upon and improve past advances in human rights and dignity making the words of our Constitution and Declaration ring anew and to end this system of having to constantly prove through lawyers and the courts that we All belong and have the same Rights ...

... to focus on the 21st Century infrastructure ... free of ___ (oil) ...

a foreign policy returned to the Carter doctrine of Human Rights and our corporations will be responsible to those goals ...

a future focused on innovation and creativity ... centered in openness and democracy; and founded in the Principles set forth by our ancestors, i.e. separation of church and state, etc. ...

a society free of corruption ... people before profits ...

reducing stress in our daily lives ... making America Green in our daily lives and our industries;

building an infrastructure which sustains ...

and, a full-accounting of taxpayer funds earmarked for use both domestically and abroad ... we're just not going to throw billions here and there without knowing where it's going ... and, that includes any foreign nations which appreciates our generosity ...

the American Re-naissance ...

re-cycle; re-new; re-fresh; re-vitalize; re-store; re-vise; re-form; re-build; re-do; re-gain; re-juvenate; re-pair; re-tool; re-train; re-organize; re-involvement; re-structure; etc.

I think people would like to hear something as simple as a commitment/campaign on how we can reduce stress in our lives and society ... let everyone participate: "I have an idea" ...


... there are a lot of idealistic goals and ideas to draw upon ...

but, I doubt if the "ideas" of vision will come via white papers which say We the People, but with a Corporate Flag" IOW ... a 'business' tone via the DLC/NDOL/PPI or whatever one wants to call them ... a new, improved status quo won't cause "Vision" to emerge ...

corporations have Visions and Values ... and, personally, I couldn't tell you what they are ... I know they are Hollow ...

it's not going to come from the same thread groupies who bicker back and forth with each other on a daily basis


idealism is the source of vision

What was the Chimp's great "vision"? "Compassionate Conservatism"? A two word slogan, how appropriate, easy to remember and totally meaningless.

The "vision thing" has always been bullshit. All it really means is that people trust that you have a plan and you will do what is best for the country. That's what they saw in Clinton and did not see in Pappy.

It is why Gore won the popular vote and had the other one stolen.

This is nothing but the typical media attack on the Democrats. I've slammed Kerry for not being more clear and concise with his message, but this is just more bullshit. When it's a Dem they take a very small criticism and blow it up to huge proportions, enough to make people actually think twice about their vote. Gore was transformed into a flip-flopping liar and a sleazy politician almost out of thin air.

Some of it I like and some of I do not.

But it has detail and meat.

At least Kerry has changed his mind and shown himself to be reasonable so I have hope at least on the positions he takes that I do not like.

The whore media complains because it is not easy on them. They cannot reduce the man and his message down to a simple soundbite so they get frustrated.

If they say he needs an exit strategy to differentiate his Iraq policy with Bush since the Administration co-opting the Kerry plan, then I would agree with them because that is constructive criticism.

When they do this crap its meaningless. He has web pages full of positions on all the major issues. He has the dreaded feared 30 years worth of a Senate record so he has clear positions on most major issues.

No vision. That is pure junk.

Look at his position of calling for real accountability and rushing to judgement on the Iraqi abuse. That is good reasonable sensible stuff.

Oh yes, and it is really hard to quantify in one soundbite. Why? Because he talks about punishment but not a rush to judgement because everyone involved should be punished and he did not want one enlisted person becoming the fall "guy" for the whole affair while other get away.

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talking about meaningless soundbites. Those will come too, but in their right time. Think about how everyone is going to be puking by the Chimps constant repetition of STEADY LEADERSHIP by Nov. Kerry will introduce soundbites at the appropriate time and not beat them to death.