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4_Legs_Good Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 01:44 PM
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Has Dean been ruled out as a VP candidate?
I'm sure this is a common topic of discussion, but I've missed it.

Just curious if he's still in the running either in a mainstream sense or here on DU. Was he even a candidate in CNNs little sweepstakes deal?

david
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johncoby2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 01:47 PM
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1. Has Dean been ruled out as a VP candidate?
I hope so.

No offense to the Gov, but let's move on. .org
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Catholic Sensation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 01:48 PM
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2. he's a candidate here on du
but in the real world, it's a two man race between wesley clark and john edwards.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 02:01 PM
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12. No, not true.
I have seldom seen anyone push him as VP here at DU. That is why people keep asking why we don't.
:hi:
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 02:19 PM
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13. you're going to be surprised
when Kerry makes his selection and it is someone other than Clark or Edwards--I think alot of people on DU will be.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 02:47 PM
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15. I won't be. I think there are other serious contenders.
nt
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TSIAS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 03:48 PM
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19. I don't believe that
I would not be surprised if Vilsack or Gephardt is picked. I would be very shocked if Clark is the VP.
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k in IA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 01:48 PM
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3. He was not an option on CNN's veepstakes and no one ever
mentions him.

Maybe, its is because he ruled himself out saying even if Kerry wanted him he would recommend against if because Kerry doesn't need another northeastern politician.
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ceile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 01:50 PM
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4. I think he has.
I haven't heard his name mentioned and I think that is for 2 reasons. The first being that he really is putting his energy into DFA. And second, he is still being called "too angry". That pisses me off though-that's why I liked him. It's about time someone got mad about the state of this country and didn't mince words about it!
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k in IA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 01:51 PM
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5. I also don't know if it fits with his personality. I know everyone
talks about McCain but I don't think his personality probably fits it either.

They are both mavericks and VP is not a good spot for that IMO.
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fryguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 01:52 PM
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6. we can only hope
as much as dean was great at energizing the party early, to have "the yell" played over and over again now would be horrible - not to mention I don't think he would make a good running mate anyway....

my vote is for Mark Warner...
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Burma Jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 01:52 PM
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7. Dr. Dean for Jeffords' Senate Seat
I think Dean would make a pretty decent Senator.
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The Shadow Donating Member (488 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 01:53 PM
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8. An Opinion
While I have grown to appreciate Howard Dean over the last few months, I think that the major obstacle that would preclude him from serious consideration would be his overall showing during the early primaries.

Keep in mind that this is only my opinion, but whoever the VP select may ultimately be, it will have to be someone who can garner national support.

As hard as Dean tried when it came down to the vote, his numbers just were not there. :)
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 01:59 PM
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10. They were to begin with.
Iowa chose our nominee. One state. Frontloaded primary left no recovery time.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 01:58 PM
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9. He is working within the party to change it, not a popular "idear".
This is not popular with the party establishment. He fully intends for the Democratic umbrella to include more than the DLC and the DNC groups, and he is vocal about it. He has formally stated that DFA is not within the structure of the DNC, but a separate entity within the party.

Not a good idea to do this if you want to be VP. We are all very realistic about it, and quite accepting that it won't happen.
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Gothmog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 02:00 PM
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11. Dean is a class act and took himself out of the running
I remember an interview with Gov. Dean where he said that he told Senator Kerry not to consider him because he would not help the ticket. As Gov. Dean put it, two liberal northeasterns would not be a balanced ticket.

Gov. Dean is smart enough to know what is best for the Democratic party and did the right thing.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 02:45 PM
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14. I think it's safe to say he was never considered.
Afterall, he said some really nasty things about Kerry.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 03:02 PM
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16. And vice versa. Oh, yes.
http://www.jsonline.com/news/gen/dec03/193182.asp

SNIP.."Des Moines, Iowa - The post-Saddam Hussein Democratic presidential campaign heated up Tuesday as John Kerry charged that front-runner Howard Dean is unfit for the White House and unlikely to reach it.

SNIP...""Those who doubted whether Iraq or the world would be better off without Saddam Hussein and who believe today that we are not safer with his capture don't have the judgment to be president or the credibility to be elected," the Massachusetts senator said in a speech at Drake University."

Let's be fair here.



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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 04:00 PM
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20. Woops! Would ya look at this statement.
"Those who doubted whether Iraq or the world would be better off without Saddam Hussein and who believe today that we are not safer with his capture don't have the judgment to be president or the credibility to be elected," the Massachusetts senator said in a speech at Drake University."

One might rephrase this to a more credible statement such as:

"Those who feel we are safer with the capture of Saddam Hussein don't have the judgment to be president or the credibility to be elected..."
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 04:02 PM
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21. Oops!
We are surely safe now, right? The whole world loves us since we examined Saddam's mouth.
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 03:20 PM
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17. "Dean, Dean, Dean, Dean, Dean"
John Kerry, September 20, 2003
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 03:38 PM
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18. Yes. The "No Liberals Allowed" sign is out.
The DLC bosses got what they want in Kerry. Why would they want to screw it up by adding a real anti-war liberal to the nice, safe, "not as bad as Bush", "we have to get the south", ticket they foisted on us yet again.
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johncoby2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 10:28 PM
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23. Hey. Dean kinda lost big time folks.
It would be very hard to convince the overwhelming opposition in the Democratic party to jump for joy with Dean as a VP. And it would be harder to get any independents. This is just political facts.

Hey Dean did his job in the primaries. He came up short, but he is still doing some great stuff for the party.

It seems like there is lingering sour grapes with some of the Dean folks and there shouldn't be. The party is stronger with his support and with the Dean supporters.

Lets move on and kick bush's ass in November.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 10:34 PM
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24. Bandera is correct.
No sour grapes, just realistic. He defied the DLC, and they did not like that. The simplistic idea that he just "lost" is true on one level. Iowa elected our nominee. One state.

No sour grapes. It is the condescending attitude toward us and moving it along stuff that is too much. It went on during the campaigns and it is going on now.

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Dookus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 11:51 PM
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30. Huh?
Kerry is much more liberal than Dean. Always has been.
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k in IA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-04 12:02 AM
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So true, but during the primary's everyone just talked about him
like he was the furthest to the left of all the choices. It was just always mentioned as a given.
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k in IA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-04 12:02 AM
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31. So true, but during the primary's everyone just talked about him
like he was the furthest to the left of all the choices. It was just always mentioned as a given.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 04:03 PM
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22. I think he has. : (
Dean is busy with his organization and he was marginalized in the media to the point of no return IMHO. Perhaps an event can change that fact, but I think he's considered off limits for many reasons.

Too bad, because Dean would be just what Kerry needs in many, many ways.
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MontecitoDem Donating Member (542 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 10:47 PM
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25. Let's be practical
Would Dean bring in any votes that wouldn't already be going to Kerry? That's what it is all about right now - isn't it?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 10:51 PM
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26. Other people bring this up, not Dean/DFA supporters. We are realistic.
We are the only ones here who do not constantly push our former candidate as VP. Apparently that bothers some, but not us. We are quite aware he will not be VP.
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MontecitoDem Donating Member (542 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 10:58 PM
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27. "Us"
I'm curious why DU as a whole cannot get past the primaries? whether it's Clark, Dean, Edwards, or Kucinich folks, we seem unable to move beyond those positions. I find this even more disturbing than all the complaints about how Kerry is running his campaign.

Hope there won't be so much "them" and "us" here soon.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 11:13 PM
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28. Past the primaries, I just post what Dean is up to now.
There is nothing wrong with that. I do not criticize the Kerry campaign.

I see nothing wrong with Clark, Edwards, or Kucinich or Dean people posting here about what is going on with them.

I figure Dean is standing up for Kerry big time, and I feel like it is ok for me to post about him.
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MontecitoDem Donating Member (542 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-04 12:18 PM
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33. Absolutely 100% ok!
my point, which was about my dissatisfaction with DU lately and less about your specific post, was not that we shouldn't post about people. It's the silly rehashing of stuff that came up between them in the primaries and the totally out of control Clark vs. Edwards tripe in practically every thread that is a bummer. The reason it was a response to your post is that people aren't ready yet to go beyond identifying themselves with "their" candidate. The avatars and the "we did this" and "you did that" stuff.


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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-17-04 11:24 PM
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29. It's been mentioned
a few times, but not much.

I think most people here also realize that it's sort of unlikely for it to happen. First of all there's that whole "regional balance" thing -- Dean is from a neighboring state. Second, I don't think it would fit Dean's personality...He doesn't look like he could pl;ay "second fiddle". He's fit for an executive role. The DFA thing is a great idea in that way.

Also, Dean has been defined as a far left politician, regardless of whether that reflects the truth or not. People see him as the screamer. It'd be tough to shake that image.

So, I really don't see it as happening.
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ndalum Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-18-04 03:49 AM
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32. If Not
He should be.

He and Kerry are both New England liberals and Dean hails from a small state that is safely blue anyway. Dean does not balance the ticket.

That's not to say that Dean doesn't have a future in politics. Some have mentioned him as a future senator. Myself, I prefer him as HHS Secretary in a Kerry Administration, or as DNC Chairman (he certainly has shown an ability to raise funds).
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