Refresh me as to why Kerry's Skull and Crossbones association...

is NOT important?

It's a stupid point harped on only by Kerry-haters.

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do different stupid things.

I don't really care what silly shenanigans ANY politician engaged in while an undergrad. And I repeat, the only people who DO care are the committed Kerry-haters.

Coffin sleeping and simulated homosexual acts-----I'm not that worried about that, but to write it off as college hijinks is also disingenuous. There IS something to this , and to pretend otherwise practices the kind of denial that makes you a good Kerry supporter.

As usual, any concern with this aspect means I must be agin him ergo a Bush enabler.

How nice it must be in that black or white world. I assume the black hats belong to Bush et cie.

Sheesh!

I remember the topic surfacing awhile ago, but I never paid attention to it because I was assuming Dean was going to get the nomination.

I recently read somewhere that it was an issue and was hoping to get some rational dialogue about it.

but to cast it as an innocent one is clearly untrue.

Sorry. But I sure like him better than u no hoo.

Most people, myself included, are so desperate to get Bush out, that the probability that Kerry will issue Bush and his gang general pardons becomes secondary.

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

Look, at this point, we don't have much choice. Either we vote en masse for Kerry, or we fracture our vote, giving BushCo a victory in November. It's simple mathematics.

On edit: by the way, it's Skull & Bones, not Skull and Crossbones.

<sarcasm off>

as it's not important to Bush and the Repukes(sarcasm)

And if you can't see that people generally are not the same at age 60 as they were at age 21, then I pity you.

(God, my grade-school English teachers would be having fits...). S&B deserves to have more light thrown on it, because the concentration of power amongst the wealthy and well-connected is a serious issue, and that little windowless basement is where the elite meet to eat and beat their meat...

That said, there is, at present, absolutely no solid evidence of any kind connecting the Senator from Massachusetts to any kind of criminal wrongdoing via that organization. None. The implication thereto, however, is delicious. Look, another thing he's got in common with Bush, besides being rich and privileged and supporting the IWR. Gee, maybe we should've nominated Somebody Else...

Skull & Bones doesn't CREATE these people. It's simply a side-effect. Rich, privileged people don't need a college fraternity to mold them.

The important issue is what they DO with their lives. Kerry chose to serve in the military, and then devote his life to public service. I, too, could've had the misfortune to have been born rich, but thankfully I was spared.

If that isn't a nefarious organization, I don't know what is.

:tinfoilhat:

Because there are two men who have a chance to win the presidency.

One is George W. Bush. He is a lying ass who has destroyed everything we hold dear in the past 3 1/2 years. If he gets another 4 years, this country is dead.

The other is John Kerry. He has an impeccable progressive history and will bring intelligence and sanity back to the White House. We may have a chance again to become members of the world community in good standing with Kerry at the helm.

So, the choice is Bush or Kerry.

One will destroy us the other will not.

That is why a f*cking college fraternity made up of rich white boys who had and still have connections doesn't mean one damn thing.

besides, what was Bush's Skull and Bones nickname anyway...

Something like "temporary" i think.

And one of them's gonna win. I'd rather have the one with the better record, wouldn't you?

You might as well attack Kerry for not attacking the Illuminati.

Guess I'll just go back to reading and not posting now...

:::applying pressure to stop the bleeding:::

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PROVE why it should be important. No speculation, no badly written exposee's but actual proof that Skull and Bones is anything but a fraternity of rich kids who thought they were bigger than they really were.

... as with most conspiracy theories and emotionally charged accusations, when you press for proof, the ones making the charges will disappear.

there is no evidence of any kind that Skull and Bones was anything but an "Animal House" for kids from well connected, rich families.

http://www.tarpley.net/bush7.htm

The background to Skull and Bones is a story of Opium and Empire, and a bitter struggle for political control over the new U.S. republic.

Samuel Russell, second cousin to Bones founder William H., established Russell and Company in 1823. Its business was to acquire opium from Turkey and smuggle it into China, where it was strictly prohibited, under the armed protection of the British Empire.



http://www.democracyunbound.com/skullpara.html
(this one lists Buzzflash and DU as a couple of its fav links)


The story begins at Yale, where three threads of American social history -- espionage, drug smuggling and secret societies -- intertwine into one.

I love the link Tarpley draws between Poppy, Marilyn Quayle, and Millie the Dog's lupus.

This kind of criticism is designed to make Bush critics look insane.

What about criticizing them for their REAL failings, of which there are plenty?

you have to admit that in spite of some of its questionable conjectures, there is a goldmine of information and research statements...which looms even larger with the same players and their families being very active today. In short, even if 10 to 25 percent of that book is true, it's more than enough to damn the Bushes 100 times over.

And my thesis was written on China, and the period of empire (T'ai Ping rebellion and such)


To be honest. all the U.S. was doing was trying to get into what everyone else was doing in China.

for answering me without a personal attack

We are members of the same fraternity (Kappa Sigma) and I am pretty sure we don't have the same view on any issue. So what if Kerry and W were in the same frat!