Let's play Veepstakes survivor! Round FOUR, !! VOTE SOMEONE OFF !!

****IMPORTANT: A VOTE IS FOR WHO YOU WANT AS VP LEAST, NOT MOST******
We'll start off with ten, and vote someone off of who DU wants least. I'll start a new poll either every 1 day or 100 votes, or when a candidate is mathimatically garenteed to get the most votes before 100 votes are cast. Whichever comes first.

Third round results for top 5 most wanted to be voted out:
Gov. Mark Warner - VA - 29%, Sen. John Edwards - NC - 15%, Sen. Bob Graham - FL - 15%, Gov. Kathleen Sebelius - KS - 13%, Gen. Wesley Clark - AR - 11%

same reason as round three--inexperienced (only in second year of Governorship) and from a lost cause electoral state.

Gov of Ohio. Hugely popular with women of all political stripes. Effectively countered a Republican controlled state legislature and even vetoed a couple of their bills with success. Won by a large margin in the state where R's outnumber D's 2-1 and it is her 3rd time elected statewide (twice as insurance commissioner--the first woman and first Dem ever in that position). Stood up to insurance conglomerate and even went to court to defend her position as best for the state.

OK so I am from KS and think she is GREAT! I admit she has very little chance because of the lack of time in the Govs office. (Of course, Bush was only elected once as Gov and never as anything else.)

Graham is the most popular politician in the state, the former chair of the intelligence committee, leading the fight in the senate for voter security and would get a ton of coverage of that issue if he were the vp nominee, and we wouldn't lose another senate seat because he's already not seeking reelection.

Nelson on the other hand, barely won his first senate election a few years ago, hasn't chaired a thing, and was a member of that kooky Christian fellowship that people like Brownback are in renting subsidized luxury housing that's paid for by a secret church.

Please Graham voters explain this to me.

Thats my reasoning.

TEN YEARS BEFORE HE RAN FOR PRESIDENT!!!

Sometimes there are things that matter more than how long you've been in DC.

And clearly Edwards could be a lifetime senator if that's what he wanted to do with his life.

Just curious

Graham is also very conservative notwithstanding his criticisms of the national security lapses preceding 9/11.

At least that's the impression I get.

Just goes to show how much you know about Graham (heart condition & all!).

ON EDIT: Yea your right I forgot about his conviction on The IWR vote & the Patriot act vote.

criticizing Bush. The realized he wasn't the right winger they elected to the senate.

However, 40% of FL primary voters exit polled after the primary said they wanted Edwards on the ticket with Kerry, which was something like 400 or 500% the numbe who wanted Graham.

I heard one story similar to this a long time ago that was mostly spun and circulated by the right wing media. You're perfectly entitled to want Edwards over Graham for VP, but you haven't offered up anything close to concrete about how he would be the worst of these 7. I've asked you to compare him to Nelson and you didn't, you just said he was worse. I don't get it. You're usually seem like more of a credible debator. Maybe I'm just reading you wrong because I mean no offense. And what one exit poll in a meaningless Florida democratic primary in which Edwards was the voted on PRESIDENTIAL candidate by the second most of those voters, has as a result isn't an argument for who would make the worst vice-presidential general election candidate for John Kerry. It is apples and oranges. I don't think what's his name you're arguing with is right IMO that Edwards would make a bad vp candidate. I think he'd make a good one. My second or third choice(him and Landrieu are close in my rankings) but you're not expressing anything definitive for why Graham would be the worst choice out of all of those 7

I simply don't think Graham is as good as anyone else on that list, and I think that a former astronaut closer to the beginning of his career is better than a relatively conservative guy with a bad heart,, who is at the end of his carreer, and whom not many FL even want to see as VP.

I think this is so obvious I don't find defending that opinoin a useful way to spend my time.

Edwards got 10% of the vote in FL, and 40% want him as VP. Kerry got 77%. That means almost half of Kerry's voters probaly want Edwards number two. I think those are very significant numbers.

- "But, back in Florida only 47 percent of voters have a favorable opinion of Graham -- down from 60 percent in February 2001, well before Graham took on Bush."

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His shifts to the political left and partisanship during the campaign already have alienated political moderates in Florida." An AP wire story pursued a similar theme this weekend: "Graham's Campaign Worries State Democrats".

http://www.polstate.com/archives/003943.html

And the funny thing is, he opposed the IWR for what reason? Wasn't it because he didn't think it was broad enough?

Clearly, his experience on the intelligence cmmttee opened his eyes, but you really can't run against your record.

or words to that effect. As much as I like Edwards in other ways, that's my reasoning.

He has no voting record. I still don't know if he's really a liberal or if I should be worried about those Republican fundraisers he used to attend. Who really knows?

We should have a peace platform, not a war ticket. Kerry has all the military gravitas he needs so a political amatuer for VP with nothing but military experience ads nothing to the ticket. A woman or person of color would do more to help Kerry win than another white man.

and will keep voting for him. Please don't ask me why as it's been said 100X. If he gets us FL and we lose a whole slew of other states because he's boring as hell it does us no good.

Nobody has answered that and goes against their BS "putting all eggs in one basket" argument

I know Graham is boring. To be honest, Nelson isn't on my short list either.

into which you can pour some meaning, rather than a older a guy with a lot of backstory that will turn off a lot of people. That Nelso would be a better choice than Graham seems pretty obvious (which isn't saying that either of these guys is a great choice).

We need some voice of reason!! Graham is retiring. We already have Jeb and Cruella.

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... the number of voters who vote Clark and Edwards off our 'island'; they confirm my belief that there are a handful of hardcore anti-(Clark)(Edwards) people here.

I just don't get it, I guess, since I think they'd both make great VPs.

:shrug:

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