Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

McCain is NOT pro-choice. He's history for me. No way.

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread		 This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU
 
NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 08:44 AM
Original message
McCain is NOT pro-choice. He's history for me. No way.
I just found this out last night. I was operating under the mistaken belief he was pro-choice. He is not.
I found this:

http://www.issues2000.org/Celeb/John_McCain_Abortion.htm
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
comradebillyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 08:48 AM
Response to Original message
1. mccain is and always has been
a conservative republican. unlike many of his colleagues he has actual principals in which he believes. he has intergity. but he is quite conservative.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
sidwill Donating Member (975 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 09:08 AM
Response to Reply #1
2. I would rather have Edwards or Clark but
If its Mcain I'm voting for him.

The alternative is Bush, a man who is controlled by people who want to transform the US into a Fascist police state.

Say what you will about Mcain, at least he wants to preserve the very foundations that this country was founded on, not undermine them.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
lanparty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 09:19 AM
Response to Original message
3. He is pro-democracy

That's a far cry from Bush. So I guess sometimes you have to choose between a facist candidate and an anti-abortion candidate.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 09:37 AM
Response to Reply #3
4. not really
So I guess sometimes you have to choose between a facist candidate and an anti-abortion candidate.

There's no reason we dems should have to choose either :shrug:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
sidwill Donating Member (975 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 09:40 AM
Response to Reply #4
5. Well then Vote fo r Nader
Then we can all enjoy complaining about Bush for anothe 4 years.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 09:44 AM
Response to Reply #5
6. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 10:26 AM
Response to Reply #5
9. No, those are not our only choices
Have we run out of democrats?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 10:53 AM
Response to Reply #5
11. The other post was too true
it had to be deleted :silly:

See Cheswick's reply below.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
bitchkitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-29-04 08:05 AM
Response to Reply #5
22. Deleted Message
is what this title would say if I said what first sprang to mind.

The fact that people would even entertain this idea is proof positive that television has ruined the American public's thought processes.

Jesus, why don't we just lobby for Ryan Seacrest? We can turn the whole election into a talent show! Wow, that would be so cool! </sarcasm>
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 10:20 AM
Response to Reply #3
8. There are plenty of Democrats who are both anti-facist and pro-choice
Fabulous how that works.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 03:34 PM
Response to Reply #8
16. But they are all unelectable ideologue crazies
so you see that the responsible thing to do is to cave.
:eyes:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ACK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 10:06 AM
Response to Original message
7. Duh I would take Lieberbush before McCain
And that is saying a lot for me.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 10:42 AM
Response to Original message
10. I'm with you, NewYorkerfromMass!
Edited on Fri May-28-04 10:43 AM by in_cog_ni_to
There's NO WAY in hell I would vote for a Kerry/McCain ticket. Not only is he a repub he's ANTI-CHOICE! No f****** way would he get a vote from me.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 12:20 PM
Response to Original message
12. Veepstakes
Everytime we try a new suit on Kerry, the people get to size HIM up, more than the possible Veep candidates, and accept him as a sidebar of this process. It all helps Kerry. So even far out or improbable choices(no matter how seriously the media pushes them) help Kerry gain inevitability.

Putting McCain out there just grinds away at the GOP. No need for us to get divided since it won't happen. Sometimes policy differences do matter and McCain, though heroically honest compared to Bush, is the antipodes of basic democratic platform tenets. You might be painting a target on Kerry's back by having a GOP substitute at his elbow even if a maverick.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
beyurslf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 03:00 PM
Response to Original message
13. Anti Choice candidates do not belong on the Dem ticket.
What would Emily's LIst et al do if he chose someone like McCain?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
arcos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 03:19 PM
Response to Original message
14. Sen Breaux is anti-choice too...
but some people keep saying he would be a good choice. Personally, I believe that if Kerry said he won't nominate an anti-choicer to the Supreme Court, he would never nominate one as his VP.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 03:22 PM
Response to Original message
15. What in the world made you think that he was pro-choice?
Edited on Fri May-28-04 03:27 PM by Freddie Stubbs
:shrug:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 03:35 PM
Response to Reply #15
17. The morons for McCain brigade
Edited on Fri May-28-04 03:36 PM by JVS
They are to blame.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 03:46 PM
Response to Reply #15
18. Not even in 2000 was I aware of this
He seemed like a sane alternative to Bush in the primaries then.
I had always assumed him to be reasonably open minded on matters of individual rights- sort of ike a libertarian. I simply had no idea he was so ideologically on the right on the issue of abortion rights.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 04:15 PM
Response to Original message
19. That's hardly a make or break issue for me.
I take more of an issue with his pro-capital punishment stance than his anti-abortion stance. So long as he would not put right-wing whack-jobs on the Supreme Court, I have no problem with someone being anti-choice. Hell, I personally despise abortion, but would not make abortion an issue for judicial appointments.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Lefty Pragmatist Donating Member (430 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-28-04 04:24 PM
Response to Original message
20. There are other reasons to dismiss McCain out of hand
Not least of which is the need to raise and promote real Democrats, especially liberal Democrats, in the party.

McCain is a good moderate stalking horse within the other party. Everything is cyclical, and the mainstream GOP will eventually gain the upper hand over the carpetbaggers who have taken the party hostage. Not that McCain will be particularly popular among them -- his populism will grate against their blindly pro-biz, anti-tax philosophy.

Anyway. There are plenty of good Dem candidate for VP.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-29-04 07:14 AM
Response to Reply #20
21. Good points. nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-29-04 09:43 AM
Response to Original message
23. I just love this
I really do. It was perfectly OK McCain was anti gay, it was perfectly OK that he voted for just about every Bush appointee, it was perfectly OK he has repeatedly voted against government programs to help the poor, it was prefectly OK he voted for the first tax cut, but OMFG he is pro life, we can't have that. And then people like you have the immense gall to lecture others about single issue voting.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-29-04 10:13 AM
Response to Reply #23
24. I never said any of that about McCain
and nobody's "perfectly OK" anyway.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-29-04 10:20 AM
Response to Reply #24
25. Your post implies
Edited on Sat May-29-04 10:21 AM by dsc
He would have been fine as VP until you found out this piece of info. Unless you don't follow current events at all you should have known the other stuff. Thus he apparently was perfectly OK as VP until he was discovered by you to be pro life despite all the other views he holds.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-29-04 12:13 PM
Response to Original message
26. whats scary about this
is that so many people even considered him in the first place. Given his longstanding vocal support of Bush and his ongoing Right wing commentary , that this man was considered for a millsecond, let alone mentioned every day on DU, says more to bolster the argument Ralph Nader makes than any amount of advertising he could buy.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
OnionPatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-29-04 12:38 PM
Response to Original message
27. Gee what a surprise!!!!
That a Republican is anti-choice! :think:

The only reason I would vote for a Kerry/McCain ticket is out of total desperation to get the thieving, war-monger out of the White House. But I would be deeply disillusioned with my fellow Democrats that they would pick a freakin' Republican after watching what Repugs have done to our country in the last few years.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed May 08th 2024, 07:57 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators

Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC