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TheWebHead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 08:39 PM
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Sneed: Clark And Biden moving up Kerry's VP shortlist
From Michael Sneed's The Chicago Sun-Times Sunday column:

Sneed hears there has been a major reshuffling of names on Dem presidential candidate John Kerry's veepmate shortlist. Guess who is moving up? Gen. Wesley Clark and U.S. Sen. Joe Biden (D-Del.), the ranking Dem of the Senate's Foreign Relations Committee.

*The reason: Escalating problems in the Iraq war and their military knowledge.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 08:40 PM
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1. sorry ,but biden makes no sense, especially with kerry moving south
to campaign.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 09:04 PM
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13. you are right, no sense to pick Biden
need someone who is NOT in the Senate and not from same area. Biden was a DINO for too long before he recently stopped licking bush* boots.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 09:59 PM
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20. Biden, Himself, Doesn't Make Sense At Times... He Seems Muddled
somehow. I used to hold him Biden in higher esteem. Lately he just seems kind of off.
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TexasSissy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 12:03 PM
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42. Are you kidding? Biden is one of most highly thought of
Democrats in the nation. He's the one who gave the now famous speech on 9/10/2001 warning the Bush administration that they were wrong to be focusing on missile defense, that the real threat to America is from terrorists abroad and at home. He's a ranking member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee (I think that's the F.R. committee he's on). When Biden speaks, almost everyone in Congress listens....including Republicans.

Whether he should be on the ticket because of strategy or scandal, I don't know. But there's no doubt that in and of itself, putting Biden on any ticket anywhere is a shoe-in for massive votes. He's very popular, likeable, and highly thought of.
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salinen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 08:40 PM
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2. Let me guess what the hatemachine
will say about Biden. Oh yeah, he has hair plugs.
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okieinpain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 08:42 PM
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3. clark, clark, clark, clark, clark, clark, clark, clark,
by the way during the primaries I saw clark's wife on c-span, she was wonderful.
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ludwigb Donating Member (789 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 08:48 AM
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24. No s***
Clark's wife is a big asset.
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Scoopie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 11:43 AM
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39. See this thread
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TexasSissy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 12:07 PM
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45. Clark would be best as Sec. of Defense.
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Gloria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 08:43 PM
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4. Who is SNEED? Any crediblity at all?
Jeez, as if Iraq hasn't been a problem all along.....

Could we possibly be entering the last stages of this little VP
game?

It ain't going to be Biden...He stole from another person's speech/writings and that did in his own Presidential bid many years ago.............
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greatauntoftriplets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 08:44 PM
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6. She's a gossip columnist.
n/t
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Mojambo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 08:43 PM
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5. Biden's an odd choice
from an electoral standpoint but he is SHARP.
He'd carve up Cheney in the debate.
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Nlighten1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 08:52 PM
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7. Unlike Joe...
Who spent most of his time during the debates with Cheney's knob in his mouth.
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arcos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 09:05 PM
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14. so sharp he needs to copy speeches of other politicians? n/t
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Mojambo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 09:17 PM
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16. And those speeches were written by professional speech writers
I was referring to his ability to speak quite coherently about very complex issues.

He should be the Democrats designated political talk show representative. He absolutely kills every time he's on MTP or Hardball or any other show.

All that being said, he's a not a great pick for vp.
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MikeG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 08:53 PM
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8. Biden never. He gave us Clarence Thomas.
He kept a second witness, Angela Wright, who would have testified that Clarence Thomas sexually harassed her, from testifying.

For that he should never be allowed anywhere near the White House.
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wildmanj Donating Member (611 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 08:55 PM
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9. clark yes---biden no
not in a million years will i give my suppose to any ticket that has joe biden on it---come on democrats either clark or edwards and the only two who can make any inroads in the south---and--there are lots of swing voters who supported both clark and edwards just don't hand me none of this biden bs---and if by chance it should be i can foresee taking a pass and just sit at home no matter how hard things get under bush---after all it may take another four years for EVIL TO FINISH CONSUMING ITSELF
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 08:55 PM
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10. Oh PLEASE, please, please
let it be Clark! We cannot afford to lose another Dem Senator. It won't be Biden, will it? Plus....didn't he give up his Presidential run because of plagiarism? I don't think it'll be him. That leaves....WESLEY KANNE CLARK!!!!!!!!! WooHoo! This makes me so HAPPY. :7 Thanks for the post TheWebHead!
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 08:59 PM
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11. i don't BELIEVE THIS
i think the message here is that kerry isn't strong enough to take on this himself so he needs a vp to do it. kerry doesn't need a vp to tell him how to do things as cheney does with bush.
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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 11:32 PM
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22. Oh please
Edited on Sun May-30-04 11:48 PM by Skwmom
That's like saying Clinton wasn't smart enough (had enough substance) so he had to pick a smart guy like Gore to balance out the ticket.

By picking Clark Kerry demonstrates that:

1. He's a confident enough man in his own right to pick a strong VP.
2. He understands that long gone are the days when you could have a lightweight or someone with zero national security/foreign affairs credentials a heartbeat away from the presidency.

The war heroes will trounce the war zeroes (or chickenhawks) which is why Rove is terrified of this ticket. Furthermore, it will be a lot more difficult for the Republicans to attack a war heroes ticket for fear of voter backlash.
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arcos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 09:04 PM
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12. I would lose most of my respect for Kerry if he chooses Biden...
My opinion is not worth much since I can't vote, but anyway...
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 09:09 PM
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15. Biden wont make sense
Deleware is a lock. Arkansas is in play, and it's possible that Clark could tip it our way.

I'm thinking it's between Clark and Edwards.
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 09:19 PM
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17. No Senators
Sorry, we can't afford to lose any Dem senators.

MzPip
:dem:
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SCRUBDASHRUB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 09:26 PM
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18. Edwards is not running for re-election. Can't recall if Binden is.
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Gildor Inglorion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 09:36 PM
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19. We're losing 5 in the south, anyway...
well, four plus ol' sorry-ass Zell, who used to be a Democrat. Before he went totally insane. Hell, he's the man who nominated Clinton. Anyway, having said all that, I agree Biden would be a very poor choice. And it won't matter who Kerry chooses; he won't carry the south. Not Louisiana, not Arkansas, not ANY of it. Forget the south. What matters is winning. Ohio, West Virginia, or New Hampshire will do it.
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 09:38 AM
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26. That is not true at all.
The south is not to be written off and it can be won. We can win Arkansas, Tennessee, Florida, Louisiana, West Virginia, and Virginia.
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patricia92243 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 09:45 AM
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27. NC has a Democrat governor,and ots of people are sick of Bush. Good......
chance of us going Blue this year!!
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Scoopie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 11:51 AM
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41. I can tell you don't live around here
Writing off the South is suicide right now - the military folks down here might be your best campaigners for oh, say, Kerry/Clark... ;)
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LoisC Donating Member (17 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-30-04 11:06 PM
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21. So how does he know?
Every week someone else has a column on who the hottest vp
candidates are.Often the columns totally disagree.Meanwhile
every time I hear Kerry speak, he says he is keeping it
confidential. 

So what makes this source more reliable! I think it's a lot of
second guessing.

Having said that...as a Clark supporter, I would cheer if it
were true...

As Michael Moore said," Wesley Clark is a gift to the
Democratic party".



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sundancekid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 09:04 AM
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25. welcome to DU, lois ... yes, indeed, let's use that GIFT wisely!
:hi:
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dusty64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 08:27 AM
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23. Biden, hopefully not.
Firstly, I don't care for him and secondly, he would be a fool to pick anyone from the Senate (unless he wants to deal with a rethug led one next year).
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 09:49 AM
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28. Biden was one of the Chalabi suckers in Congress. I'd be surprised
if he'd get the nod now.

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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 03:43 PM
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29. Biden also had a stroke some years ago. Not a good thing I'm afraid.
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TexasSissy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 12:06 PM
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43. No, he wasn't. Biden was anti-Chalabi from the start.
He's the one who has brought the Chalabi nonsense to the forefrunt. He's been giving speeches for months, focusing on how much Chalabi is getting paid to do nothing, and worse, to raid Iraq for documents and not give them to the Americans. He's been warning the administration for months that Chalabi is part of the problem in Iraq and they need to get rid of him.
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cosmokramer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 05:34 PM
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30. Of course Clark is moving up...
...the rest of America is finally seeing what we Clarkistas saw late last summer: The man is brilliant, and we need a brilliant foreign policy leader to help the ticket. We also knew that this election would be about our international relations. Nice to see the rest of the US is catching up.
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 05:46 PM
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31. Link, please. n/t
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TheWebHead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 05:49 PM
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32. link
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Lefty Pragmatist Donating Member (430 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-31-04 06:04 PM
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33. Biden's too important in the Senate
On the chance that we win it back, I want him as the chair of Senate Foreign Relations, etc.
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cosmokramer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 09:46 AM
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34. No way on Biden...definitely on Clark.
Look for Biden in cabinet, maybe. He has a few bones in his closet, so don't expect him to run too high on the VP lsit.

Clark is another story. He is at the very TOP of the list now, especially since the major election year issue will be the WIR.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-01-04 09:53 AM
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35. Biden!!??
you gotta be kidding.
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cosmokramer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 08:41 AM
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36. Don't worry...won't happen.
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TexasSissy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 12:07 PM
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44. I and most of America would vote for Biden in a heartbeat!
If he were running for President, we'd win for sure.
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 11:16 AM
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37. Kerry uses the speculation
Edited on Wed Jun-02-04 11:16 AM by PATRICK
while consulting with the necessary people and giving THEM more of a national profile to contribute.

Hey, have a little confidence that Kerry is playing the game well here and not be moaning and worrying about the "short list". Kerry probably already knows who he wants. In any event then worrying is useless. Lose a Senate seat for Biden's dubious benefit to the ticket? Really.
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LandOLincoln Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 11:41 AM
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38. Agreed. I think Kerry's known who he wants since
...oh, February 13th at least.

:bounce:
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surfermaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 11:45 AM
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40. What was brought up on Biden , something about a college paper, I think
been so long that I have forgotten?
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