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medeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 02:20 AM
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Huckabutt on Rev Wright
I heard this today on XM POTUS station while traveling.. Huckabee remarked that Wright was sabatoging Obama as if Obama won...it would take away his reasoning to be hateful?

hmmmm....
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 04:36 AM
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1. I think that Wright is coming from an era that
younger people may not know about, and he feels compelled to keep fighting as if he were still there..
the sad thing is that Obama IS MLK's dream come true, and Wright seems unwilling to accept it..so Huckleberry may have a point.. Maybe wright is a little jealous, that Obama may realize all the things he did not get to..that Obama has not paid his dues..
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hokies4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 04:49 AM
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3. Black marines from Wright's era
were treated like absolute crap. My father is a retired Marine. I've heard some of my older family members talk about stories they've heard from other black Marines. Things like how the black Marine units were always ordered to spearhead the taking of a hill if it was considered dangerous and risky that enemies might be able to ambush you. I have no doubt that Wright might have experienced the same thing or heard about it from older Marines he served with.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 04:56 AM
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4. I have a 60 yr old friend who was so traumatized
in Alabama, that to this day he REFUSES to set foot in Alabama.he never even went to his own mother's funeral.. He had come back from Viet Nam, and was attacked by 3 guys and they tried to hang him.. he obviously got away..but he packed his stuff that night and left..& never went back..


he served 27 years in the Air Force..
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Asgaya Dihi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 05:06 AM
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5. It's not quite that simple
Edited on Thu May-01-08 05:09 AM by Asgaya Dihi
He does come from an era where things were more open and in many ways worse, but he's also trying to tell us about things today that we pretend isn't there but it is. I'll try to keep this short, but he's more right than wrong.

http://www.prisonsucks.com/">Racial stats in our prisons
Some of the http://www.idpi.us/resources/factsheets/mm_factsheet.htm">stats behind the stats

Quick example of what happens and why we've got a problem. Take a neighborhood which didn't start off with people much different than in any other, but they lived in a crowded area. Pass safe school zones and such and the effect turned out to be that they can overlap in places... in the suburbs a kid spends little time in one so spends little time at risk unless they do something at school. In the city they might spend most of their life in one and not even know it much of the time. Where the kid in the suburbs has options such as treatment that mandatory took the options away in the city. The 100:1 disparity, yes 100:1, between the way we sentence crack and powder cocaine didn't help any either.

That type of thing starts us off, then come the politicians and such. Someone notices that we've got way too many felonies for a small area and orders a crackdown without considering what caused the spike in felonies, so it's designated a high crime area. So now they are not only getting hit with the safe school zones but increased enforcement as well, everyone is a suspect and they start to get treated that way. Prison doesn't do good things for people so kids who went in with a bad habit come out criminals, often with gang ties since it's not easy to survive alone inside and not easy to leave them when you get out.

Now the neighborhood is being hit by two sides, the cops on one hand and the new prison gangs on the other, and eventually what used to be a decent area starts to look like too many of our streets do today.

There's a lot more to it but I'm getting tired, if anyone wants to talk about it I'll be back in a few hours but it's not a problem from the past and it's not one we've solved. It just moved behind bars and out of sight, buried under different sets of laws and justifications these days. The effects haven't changed too much though. We're still hitting people too much for where or how they live rather than the crime or injury they commit, and it's still got a sharply racist effect even if we convince ourselves the intent has changed. Intent doesn't change those results much.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 05:17 AM
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6. I understand where he's coming from, BUT
like any real change.. it will have to come from within, and Obama offers an entry ..finally.. For Wright to sabotage his chance is selfish and self-defeating..

the solution to many intractable problems starts in legislation..and a president has more power to set the tone, than a senator who is one of one hundred
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Asgaya Dihi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 05:24 AM
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7. I didn't argue that he handled it best he could
Just that he's more right than wrong and I can't blame him for the frustration.

Look at it from a purely honest point of view, no spin from either side. If those statistics applied to us how loud would we be screaming about it? But it's not us so we complain and know more about what we're doing in Iraq than we know about what we're doing right here and to our own.

Ok, so why don't we know? The info has been out there for ages, all anyone had to do was to look it up and if you check the news archives it has been mentioned but never got any traction. Again, why? To be honest the best reason I can come up with is that it isn't us. If we aren't black today we never will be so it's not a problem that we need to worry much about, our retirement or college for the kids is a lot more important. And if it slips our minds and we forget, well, it wasn't our problem anyway.

That's why a lot see more racism in the nation than others do. It's not so much the hard racism of the past, it's a bit less broadly applied and the well educated or well off financially do better these days, but if you're poor things haven't changed as much as we'd like to pretend they have. That's the part they'd like us to notice one day. No, it isn't us, but they are ours. Citizens. We keep claiming that matters too.

It's not Obamas fault, but it's something that can be hard to keep in decade after decade with people telling you be patient, it's not time yet. We need to make some time for it.
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hokies4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 04:46 AM
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2. I saw Huckabee interviewed
after the Press 'spectacle' and I had a lower opinion of him afterward. I thought he was somewhat genuine beforehand but he came off as the jealous boyfriend type. He sounded like a man jealous that somebody else had the spotlight shined on them more brightly than him. Then I remembered that he stayed in the race for the Repub nomination even after it was obvious that he had no path to victory. Huckabee is just another limelight lover.
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Rosemary2205 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 05:56 AM
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8. Fuck Huckabee
he's old enough to know better. If Huckabee had even one sincere bone in his body he'd be talking about how bad it sucked for Blacks in this country, How Wright is the natural product of that suckage, and how we still have a ways to go to eliminate suckage.
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