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Solomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 05:35 AM
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"The Fierce Urgency of Now"
Is it starting to sink in now? We stand on the brink. There is a stark contrast in which way to go.

He is correct. These are urgent times. The urgency is indeed fierce. Once again, the other two candidates, with this stupid gas tax boondoggle have demonstrated that they are willing to do whatever it takes to get elected. Only one is willing to have the political courage to say "bullshit".
Only one is willing to trust the intelligence of America's voters and not try to pull the wool over our eyes. Not try to bribe the public.

Both of the other candidates have threatened Iran before they even get a whiff of the white house. For several years now the American people have said enough as to war.

I no longer worry that the other two will see the light and mend their ways. They are bent on a course of destruction. They can't help themselves. They don't know any other way to operate.

The contrast in policy and approach will become even clearer as this campaign continues.

That's why he didn't wait. And this is why he will win.
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quantass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 05:38 AM
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1. Nice post!
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 05:41 AM
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2. You've got to love it.
Edited on Thu May-01-08 05:42 AM by votesomemore
We could not have fabricated a situation that highlights, with no ambiguity, who stands where and who are they standing with. It's a perfect picture of HilLIARy and McPasty in one corner and Obama in the other.

I trust the American voters. This is great. FOR ONCE we do have a choice. Everyone who claims to be progressive, yet casts their lot with HRC, is bogus. No way around it.
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livingmadness Donating Member (347 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 05:41 AM
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3. Honestly - this is our last chance.
If people think its tough now, well there are some reeeeallly tough times a comin'. We are not facing short-term, but long-term crisis. That is part of why I feel so passionately for Obama.
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 05:42 AM
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4. Translation...Desperate!
Obama is UNELECTABLE in the GE!
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 05:47 AM
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5. No matter how many times you repeat that, it doesn't make it any
truer. He's electable. And he's demonstrated that over the past few months. That doesn't mean, of course, that he'll be elected, though I believe you're going to have to get used to saying President Obama, but he's certainly electable. So is Hill and so is McCain. Whether McCain wins or Obama wins, depends on too many unknown variables to allow making an accurate prediction.
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nebula Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 06:12 AM
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8. What kind of convoluted reply is that?
do you write textbooks for a living?

Zzzzzzzzzz.

electable but don't know if he would be elected?
not the most enthusiastic endorsement in the world, is it?

try to sound more human, less like a robot please.


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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 06:26 AM
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10. really, that's too difficult for you to grasp?
Obviously, no one can know who will be elected in November. And to say you know, is like saying you know who will win the world series. It's nonsense.
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 04:30 PM
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21. Hillary does MUCH better than Obama in the GE and she BEATS Mc..
Besides...I think we have not seen all the Obama Drama yet...meaning, While I know, Obama has not been charged with any wrong doing...yet. It's seems this Rezko thing has so many facets and witnesses, you never know what may come out! Gov Blog...will most likely serve time. We'll see...
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O.M.B.inOhio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 06:06 AM
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7. I'll take that bet over HRC's chances because...
Hillary's got a number of negatives against McShame in the public eye.
SHe's running on "experience," in terms where McCain's credentials are stronger. She's lived in the White House and may have learned some valuable lessons from her health care reform failure. But he's got the military experience, and there's still that weird notion out there that a uniform is a sign of sainthood. And just imagine the ads that juxtapose his military service to HRC's sniper "misremembering" incident. It would be devastating. It would be just like the Swiftboat ads.... except not untrue. How much can she call upon living in the White House as "experience" without recalling in the popular mind cigars and blue dresses. So what does this tell us of HRC's judgment? Deceived by her husband, fooled by Bush Jr. on Iraq....
What Obama is running on different qualities from McShame, except for the "maverick" myth. And which of these guys seems like more of an outsider you can trust? Judgment, integrity, populism, leadership, inspiration, hope. People do get elected on this. And Obama certainly has a better chance that Clinton in November.
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chknltl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 06:16 AM
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9. Why do you think Senator Clinton is MORE electable? (OP: Recommended)
Do you agree that most of America comprises the Middle Class?

Do you agree that the Middle Class has felt a strong pinch in their wallets from 7 years of bush?

Do you agree that the Middle Class wants to turn things AWAY from bush policies?

Do you agree that McCain is perceived by the Middle Class as MORE of bush's policies?

Do you agree that the Middle Class is against having a war with Iran?

Do you agree that the Middle Class will be the ones turning out in numbers unprecedented this Novembers to vote AGAINST all things bush?



So please explain to us how Senator Clinton, who has threatened Iran, in the same fashion as McCain (and Bush for that matter), will get those Middle Class votes in numbers larger than Senator Obama who has NOT offered up similar threats.

So please tell us how Senator Clinton will get votes from a gas-starved Middle Class when she offers up a boondoggle gas tax which they can easily see MIGHT save them up to half a tank of gas over the summer and would likely amount to far less than that when it is all said and done?

So please tell us how Senator Clinton, who is perceived by the Middle Class as 'politics as usual' is going to get their votes in numbers larger than Senator Obama who appears to that same Middle Class as a distinct change away from politics as usual?

So please tell us how all the Clinton haters from the Republican Party are going to put aside their differences with the Clintons and turn out to vote for her OVER Senator McCain whom they hate somewhat less than ANYONE with the Clinton name? (Especially when those voters are willing to either vote for Senator Obama or sit this one out but will vote AGAINST Senator Clinton if needsbe)
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 07:21 AM
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11. "Obama is unelectable" = "Hillary Knows How to Cheat Better"
Pffft!

She operates by the Rove Steal-an-Election Playbook.

Obama doesn't.

Apparently Rovian Steal-an-Election Playbook operations = "electability" in your estimation.

Impressive. (NOT)
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Neshanic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 10:53 AM
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18. Hi, VP Carter here. I am looking forward to serving you all again with Obama.
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Solomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 06:03 AM
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6. I think the delegates can already see the contrasts. They
already know. Look for the public to finally get it as the contrasts start to sharpen even more.

Hillary abandoned her base to go after McCain's voters. She couldn't have made a bigger mistake. Now she and McCain are joined at the hip as warmongers. No one can say we don't have a real choice this time.

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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 07:29 AM
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12. Ask yourself - what are YOU doing to help? Are you making calls?
donating? driving to the polls? THAT's what it's all about right now. Our primary on the 6th could stop this
circus but we need all the help we can get. Instead of getting discouraged over the media and their nonstop
bullshit, get busy if you possibly can. We need you! :hi:
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barack the house Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 08:12 AM
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13. Yes ha ran to save us. He knew it was too urgent. In some ways I don't think he wanted to but he..
Edited on Thu May-01-08 08:14 AM by barack the house
knew it was over if he didn't.
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TragedyandHope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 10:19 AM
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14. America has chosen Obama
:kick:

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loyalsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 10:35 AM
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15. K&R Agree 100%
I saw him as a candidate someday at the 2004 convention. I am surprised it is so soon, but he's got the right standing to compete in this election.
And the right ideas to lead us out of this mess.
I have been railing against those "bribe" tax cuts and the token givaways that add up in state government for a couple of years, so I am thrilled to see him take it on at the federal level.

Cleaning out the ones at the federal level that have expirations coming up will be something to see!

I am sure there will be pretty big chunk of money recovered.

And we can say we have a president who is leading the executive branch with fiscally responsible intentions.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 10:38 AM
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16. At first I thought it was a clever argument to use against his age
I have learned that he uses words very carefully and you really need to go back and read his speeches to figure out the real nuance.


Jan 20th is looking like way too long to wait - should be tomorrow.
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Solomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 10:50 AM
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17. Obama has started to unfold like a blooming flower.
I didn't notice it until he gave his speech in Wisconsin. That's when I started to see that he was going down a different road. I also felt alarm for his well being for the first time after that Wisconsin speech because I could see that if you followed the logic out, that he is a threat to the current power.

What put the nail in the coffin about it for me was to see how much money he has been raising and how many voters he has been registering.

I have been saying it over and over and I'll say it again. He snuck up on them. Before they knew to try and stop him, it was already too late.

He's clean as politicians go so they jumped all over the only thing they could use to try to stop him; the Wright fiasco which has been blown way the hell out of proportion.

He is demonstrating his competence by how he is running his campaign.
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Neshanic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 10:55 AM
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19. Please do not say "clean as politicians go" because someone will pop out at the NPC.
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crankychatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 10:55 AM
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20. k/r - as my kids say "You GO, Dawg." n/t
:-)
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MattNC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 04:59 PM
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22. I almost started a thread
with the same title earlier, arguing roughly the same thing. i think he should use the quote more in his campaign like he did in iowa.
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futureliveshere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 05:01 PM
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23. Beautifully said!!! This is the last but one gasp of the dying machine.
The last one will be in November.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 05:05 PM
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24. Maybe it is our own last dying gasp........
seeing how much of a grip the corporate media has in influencing enough of the electorate to get things done they way that they would order it. That is why the urgency is to change things now...because I do fear that this may be our last chance.
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Solomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 05:15 PM
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25. Yep yep. For years now I have felt that it is too late.
But here comes Obama out of nowhere. The audacity of hope. This is the one thing that the opposition underestimates. He's waking up a lot of us who were feeling like there's nothing we can do about it. The people who are supporting him feel like we are finally engaged in the process instead watching the bus go over the cliff.
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futureliveshere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 05:23 PM
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26. Sigh!! I am an eternal optimist, but there is truth in what you say. However...
However, I am a strong believer in the fundamental decency of my fellow human beings. The globe functions like a self-regulating, mean-reverting system. Things have been slowly but surely moving out of kilter in the last 30-40 years or so across the globe.

The strong anti-war sentiment we saw and are seeing building, the strong push towards environmentally friendly policies, the rapidly rising inflationary pressures we are witnessing and the Obama candidacy are all direct reactions of this slow drift to the right. This WILL correct itself, IF we keep our faith. It might not even happen in our lifetime (though I think this time it will), but the process has begun. I can feel it, see it, hear it all around me.
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