OK Just asking - What is Hillary teaching our young women? Win at ALL cost? Is that a good thing?

When I look at the comments coming from Hillary Clinton surrogates lately I am personally offended by the comments of her not being a pansy and that she has the testicular fortitude to win. It is one thing to be an assertive and passionate woman who stays with her message and goes for the high ground in order to win, and another to play into the "I am just as tough as any beer drinking, whisking slugging man".

Our young women need role models, not references of "Rocky" punching out the opponent. After seeing how girls are turning to that type of message here in Florida just a few weeks ago with punching out a captive and putting it on My Space isn't it time to rethink these messages?

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Photo courtesy of About.com

Hillary's 'Testicular Fortitude' Touted During Clinton Rally

Huffington Post April 30, 2008

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/30/hillarys-testicular-forti_n_99508.html

Hillary Clinton took some heat yesterday from gay rights groups when her top surrogate in North Carolina said she made Rocky Balboa look like a "pansy." Well, she's likely to hear from feminists after a labor leader, introducing her at a rally today, said the nation needed a leader "that has testicular fortitude":

While defending Bill Clinton's role in the passage of NAFTA, Paul Gipson, president of a steelworkers local, said that union members need to look forward, and support a leader who can work to amend and improve provisions in the trade agreement.


"I truly believe that that's going to take an individual that has testicular fortitude," he said. "That's exactly right. That's what we gotta have."

Clinton, standing behind Gipson, smiled sheepishly before breaking into a nervous laugh. Gipson continued by slamming unnamed "Gucci-wearing, latte-drinking, self-centered, egotistical people that have damaged our lifestyle," before endorsing and introducing Clinton.

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Something which women have had to do for the last 100 years or so to even make their voices heard. And your Photoshopped clip of Hillary holding an assault rifle is pathetic.

I think it's from a supporter and meant to be somehow a favorable, complimentary thing. The OP states its from another source in the post. I think the OP is making the point that this type of overcompensation is a bad message to be sending. So if you agree that the picture is pathetic then I'm sure you agree with the point.

This is exactly what the RW spin has been for years about women

This is what our young women are seeing in this "role" model. If you go on the web you will find 100's of these macho images. This is just one. I believe it is time to tone it down before the "grudge" match goes to Denver.

Enough!

stocking stuffer Christmas. hillary cracks nuts...great role model.

If you have a chance to win the nomination and the opponent has self destructed, you would be stupid to quit.
Winners show grit when things are tight. then they find a way to win.
In this case Obama handed "The Way" (his head) on a platter.

Obama was given a pass for months, and after he got a lead, a torpedo sunk his ship.
We need swing voters and he has lost them. Thank Wright.
Obama named a book after a passage by... Wright.
He spent 20-years with... Wright.
He couldn't disown... Wright. (Te did just that a couple days ago.)
Obama isn't believable any longer, and...

Hope.
Change.
Unity.
...ring hollow now.

What's left?

Super Delegates Vote Hillary.

Tuzla
Robocalls
Fox News
Endorsements from Rednecks: Anne Coulter, Rush Limbaugh, Fox news, et al

She's no dem and the SD's are leaving her because of it.

:thumbsup:

Tuzla? Robocalls? Pansies, testicles. Do anything but be a woman. That is what she is teaching girls. Too bad.

As a female and a Wellesley grad, I was very, VERY excited about the prospect of a female president. And don't get me wrong, if Hillary wins the primary I will support her. BUT ... she's starting to really blur her own gender identity. Each day she divorces another piece of her femininity for her greater goal. Is this a sad but necessary reality for female candidates? Or is this just some kind of warped political tactic that she didn't really need? Either way its a bit bitter on the tongue. I don't think she should be making an issue of gender at all but she can't seem to stop it.

Exactly what anti womens right groups and RWers have been saying for years about those of us who try to pave the way for younger women. Nice for you to reiterate their talking points.

Tell me something, do you find it necessary for a woman to be a man to succeed? Because I don't. She doesn't need 'testicular fortitude' nor does she need an absense of 'pansy'. She only needs to be herself.

It makes me sick that you'd defend her for trying to become something she isn't. You can wield power AND be female. You don't need testicles to do this job.

this is still a mans world. If it takes fighting like a man to get the job done, then that is what it takes. If that makes you sick, fine and dandy. I am proud that we finally have a female that will stand up to the BS that male politicians have been dishing out to us for the last 200 years. Please, continue playing the wounded female. At 65, I passed that stage at 19

'fighting like a man' ... that just doesn't fly for me. How about just 'fighting' instead?

Please note that I'm not commenting on Hillary or her campaign as a whole but simply her recent use of male imagery and language. The fact that she feels she needs to portray herself as a man to win is ridiculous, as is your assumption that she needs this crutch.

I thought as you did once upon a time, but I grew out of that. We don't need to be men to succeed.

If Hillary needs to be more like a man in order to be elected, doesn't that reinforce the stigma that women have been fighting against that they are somehow too weak to become President. I believe that Hillary's campaign has actually raised the bar for the next woman who wants to run for president.

presidential. that is bush.

There is no gender required.

She is pandering to the sexist male audience and I can't stand it.

(And rather than discuss the issue, you sink to some pretty poor tactics I might add, how mature)

I can't believe the uneducated world we live in where it is sexist for a women to be proud to be a women.

We need to stop this I believe before the convention. I think it is spilling over into the campaign supporters and it is getting very divisive.

I have had some women bosses who were fantastic! They reasoned with their opponents and showed by example! This is the kind of woman that succeeds with honor!

:thumbsup:

there definitely no need for gender on that one :)

:)

You don't think that Obama has also stooped to some pretty low points in his campaign? See, since I am a supporter of neither, I can see that each has pandered, each has played the race/gender cards when it suited them, and each has gone negative in their own way.

For you to focus exclusively on what Clinton has taught those poor widdle girsl who might think it's ok to be a tough as brass balls chick after the Clinton campaign reveals more about you than you realize.

I'm not firmly planted in either campaign myself so before you get all up in arms over an agenda, I haven't got one. Since this thread wasn't about Obama, I didn't feel the need to mention him.

Actually, I agree with you that both have played these cards, my point is simply that they shouldn't.

:)

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teach young adults the value of honor, family, trust, integrity, honesty, and rational thinking - all the things that Team Clinton seems to avoid?

HOW DARE he display the audacity, nay, the arrogance of hope and pride in one's good deeds?

HOW DARE he show respect, love, and admiration towards his wife and children, day in and day out?

HOW DARE he continue to keep above the fray, despite daily pummeling of slime, mud, lies, and bullshit from the likes of Hillary, Bill, Howard, Mark and others?

Where is it going to end? Will Rush get his riot in Denver?

:shrug:

Politicians, are simply a mirror image of US. WE taught them how to be the way they are ... WE sent them there ... We got what We created ... WE should be the role models for them, Not the other way around ... If your waiting for "them" to change things, your in for a long wait! Our corruption as a people, our lack of governance amongst ourselves, has spawned the corruption in business, in politics, greed, hate, intolerance, and a lust for blood the world over!

If she is pandering this kind of macho image then that is her call. I just don't think she is giving out the kind of image that I would want to have in a woman President. But with her vote on Iraq and the Kyle-Lieberman bill maybe that is what she really is inside. I think it is time to tone it down some and be assertive and not negative and bullying so much.

I would add that it's more fear than corruption and these get played upon in big ways. We have seen it with the Bush administration and others past. We are now in a cycle that pits our two greatest fears against each other and look what's happening. Fear breeds the environment in which corruption thrives.

Is this what we have come to for a woman Presidential candidate to have to became a male image of Rambo? It is disgusting to me that this powerful and intelligent woman has had to stoop to this! I think it will backfire in the end.

"Don't be a fighter, lady" "Don't show any guts" "Don't bully us guys or it will backfire on you"

Clinton hasn't done anything that every other serious male candidate for elected office has done before her. You apparently just can't stomach it because she is a woman and therefore in your mind comes off as "bullying".

Very telling, that remarkf of yours.

For every woman that was ever told she couldn't do something because she was a girl. For every woman who ever had to watch her brother or male classmates take precedence simply because of their gender, Hillary defies that.

If you believe in something, fight for it and don't give up no matter how hopeless things seem, and no matter who says you can't do it.

That is what she is telling women.

I prefer Obama, but I empathize with Hillary Clinton.

But you have a right to your opinion too.

Joe Scarborough basically used to say that Hillary Clinton was an embarassment as a role model to his daughters. Even though I was an Obama supporter (I had way less issues with Hillary Clinton THEN then I do now), I remember that really pissing me off and thinking it was inappropriate. That's why Joe's sudden shift to being a spokeman for the opressed female voice and talking about "his girlfriend Hillary Clinton" is so funny to me.

models should be. There was a recent LTTE in our local paper praising an older woman retiree and calling her 'a wonderful role model for young ladies'... authored by a man. And patronizing... a woman who is a role model should be one for all people... or else she's not really what I consider a desirable role model.

"Hillary, Corrupter of the Young and (gasp) She-Male!"

One week of bad news for your Savio(u)r, and you're mining the vein of your sexual anxieties.

--p!

What is that saying to a young person? I just think it needs to be toned down!

and you can lose too.

hidden away their intelligence and talents in order not to outshine the guys around them. Oh, and continue catering to their whims, cleaning up after them, making excuses for them, and raising all of their children. :sarcasm: ;)

Go Hillary Go.

But Hillary has the intelligence and the fortitude to be her own woman! She doesn't have to turn herself into "Rocky" or "Rambo" to be admired. There are so many other ways to do it! :thumbsup:

I'm not even a Clinton supporter, but this shit is getting ridiculous.

"testicular fortitude" because that will just upset the men

:yoiks:

YAY! :sarcasm:

Have you seen some of the condescending remarks by the OP? And you really want to contribute to that without explaining to him why he's so far out of line? Partisan blinders, and some DUers I once thought were intelligent and fair are apparently wearing them.

Hillary is out of line in my opinion. If you don't agree that is fine. Everyone should be able to place their opinions on the board. Not just those that are approving!

just hold it over his head to further your professional career.

Hillary Clinton is a champion for oppressed women here in the United States and throughout the entire world. Hillary is a champion to all women. From the woman in America who gets beaten and reduced to servitude to the woman in Pakistan who gets her feet chopped off as punishment for bogus crimes, Hillary is a champion and an outstanding role model for which they should all be proud.

If you can't see what this strategy of hers is doing to her image just go to the web. You can find 100's of Rambo - Rocky - wrestling characters on it. She and her campaign have done this to her. I feel it is time to tone it down!

I can respect that. I'll just give you this one man's perspective though for what it's worth. When you fight against monsters, you sometimes have to become a monster. The degree to which women are oppressed in this world (especially the sharia world) is monstorous. I personally don't want to see a lacey and frilly Hillary that embodies the feminine mystique. I want to see a Hillary that scares the living shit out of the monsters. In the end, however, she is what she is, and that ends up being good enough for me. As I said, I respect your position but, as a man who has spent 8 years in the infantry and who has been in more fights than I could possibly remember, I have to tell you, I like what I see. Strong of will, strong of character, strong of spirit. An unyielding persistence and tenacity and no concept of the words quit and surrender. These are attributes that anyone can admire, male or female as far as I'm concerned.

Role model indeed. Just tell him he owes you and he better help with your professional development. :rofl:

male voters with this act. I remember an exchange quite some time ago on another completely nonpolitical board that I visit. There is a men's section there. Women are welcome to participate, but I learned one thing - the men do not like it when women act like "one of the boys." Not saying this is right or wrong, but it just "IS." These men would respect Hillary a lot more and would be a lot more likely to vote for her if she would stop this tough, macho act. Not saying all men would react this way, but from experience, many do.

They already make more money, have easier ways to make business connections, own or control most large corporations and medium sized businesses and have far fewer social expectations. Now they also want to be able to tell me how to act? No thank you.

Standing tall, standing firm -- ready to return fire when fired upon.

People, men or women respect intelligence, strength and a tireless spirit. Hillary, excels in all three.

Obama in contrast appears weak, timid, unsure of himself -- a view shared by many -- both men and women.

As far as Obama - just because you say he appears weak there is strength in honestly and integrity. That hopefully will mean something to those who want a REAL change in the White House!

Obama went on nation wide TV only weeks ago to explain his tethers to Rev Wright. Obama was applauded universally by his supporters for having the integrity to stand up for Rev Wright -- for doing the right thing.

So why is Obama denouncing Wright now? Why not 20 years ago? Why not 4 weeks ago when Rev Wright's sermons were be played 24/7?

Rev Wright did not say anything substantially different in his last few press conferences than the remarks he's made from behind his pulpit over the decades. In fact what we saw in Wrights recent appearances was a tamer, gentler Wright.

What changed? The damn poll numbers.

Obama's decision to act NOW on Rev Wright as opposed to 20 years ago, or 1 month ago can be largely attributed to the negative political pressure of down ballot tickets brought to bear on his campaign in the past few weeks. Axelrod, like a good campaign manager responded accordingly, and dispatched a PR firm(1) to provide advice (pro bono apparently) to Wright and TUCC. So what we saw in the last week was the result of a well coordinated PR campaign to cauterize the bloodletting -- a public divorce (however insincere) followed by a full court press to change the topic. Where was the honesty, the integrity? ...sidelined in favor of political expediency.

About Obama's faux-divorce
In his divorce speech, Obama looked rather timid and somewhat ashamed to be denouncing Rev Wright publicly especially at this late stage. There was little confidence in Obama's body language -- there no eye contact with the audience, instead what we saw was lots of downward gazing, and what we heard was halting and hesitant speech patterns -- attributes of man going through the motions of executing a political maneuver that conflicted with his personal thoughts and beliefs. Again I ask, where was the honesty, where was the integrity?

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(1)TPM link
Senior Obama Adviser Asked Top Public Relations Firm To Help Wright's Church
By Greg Sargent - April 3, 2008, 1:03PM
Here's an interesting peek at some of what was going on behind the scenes in Chicago during the controversy over Jeremiah Wright, the pastor at Obama's Trinity church.

I'm told that top Obama adviser David Axelrod privately tried to help Trinity with its raging public relations problem by asking one of Chicago's top P.R. firms to go in and help the church deal with its P.R. mess.

Axelrod confirms to me that amid the controversy, Trinity put out word that it was overwhelmed by media calls and in need of help. Axelrod confirms that he called Jim Terman, the president of Jasculca-Terman and Associates, a major Chicago P.R. outfit that specializes in doing crisis P.R. management for corporations and large institutions.

"I called Jim Terman and asked if they were interested in helping out and they followed up with the church," Axelrod emails, adding that his involvement ended there.

Terman himself confirmed that Axelrod had asked him to help Trinity -- and confirmed that his firm was currently doing pro bono work on the beleagured church's behalf.
more ...

For men who are secure in their masculity... tough women have never been a problem.

Her polling with that demographic is improving, BTW.

It was a sexist comment made by a man. I found it to be an example of what Clinton is up against. I think she has been a great role model fighting the good fight for women. Look how far she has come. I don't think we need to have our daughters look to any woman to be their role model though, unless they are looking at their mother. Clinton is not out there touting the fact that she would like to be a role model. If we choose to put her in that position, then we are wrong. I know she has been a champion of women throughout her life. This has been shown by her actions. We can not take that away from her.

I don't think she is thinking these things through enough nor is her campaign. Too me it is pandering and it takes away from her true intelligence and promise.

I think that some people are missing the point. The Clinton campaign loves when they can portray her as tough and emasculate Obama in the process. It has become cartoonish and embarassing to me.

Far from it! We need more fairness and openness and HONESTY in our government! Stop the idiocy and characterizing! Enough!

:yourock:

If a woman is going to compete head to head with men in business or in politics, she has to be tough. Can you think of a female politician on the national level who isn't tough? Showing her toughness is NOT an attempt to emasculate Obama, as you seem to think.

emasculates Obama as a direct result. In my opinion, there are separate efforts to emasculate Obama from the Clinton campagin. But again, that is just my opinion. Clinton has done more than enough to demonstrate that she is tough, I think that she just does it to such an extent that it undermines the purpose, and makes her look ridiculous. There have been plenty of successful female politicians who have demonstrated their toughness on a national level without becoming a caricature.

She looked and acted uncomfortable. All politicians pander. It is what they do. The trick is to see through it. Even Obama panders on a daily basis. His candidacy is a form of pandering. After we are beaten down for eight years by the Bush Administration, a candidate comes along and preaches change and hope to the people. Of course that will work on a country that is exhausted and looking for a savior. Don't get me wrong...I really like Obama and will vote for him in a heartbeat. But, I am not so naive as to think that he is going to fix everything. I like to wait and see exactly how a candidate will actually live up to the promises they have made. Until then, either of them would be a crap shoot.

Hee. I'm seeing Ms. Cook play out this weekend.

n/t

Why don't you think about how this is looking to her image? Just saying she should tone it down and save some of her true promise!

and to women everywhere is:

* Marry a man that is "going places"

* Stick with him no matter what, ie., numerous affairs that will humiliate, but you hang in there for whatever reason you can find to justify it

* Use his resume and name recognition to get what you want *note* that is not revenge, or pay back, it is ambitious

* play both sides of the coin, pander to the masses.

These are not attributes of a strong woman, they are of a weak woman. At least, in my neck of the woods, they would seem so.

I left a man for the same shit-load of "junk"
and for the record, I am one of the biggest defenders of Bill and his sexcapades, they are his private business, but after it was all said publicly, I found myself angry at Hillary. I did support her, however until a heated discussion over last Thanksgiving family dinner.

She could have divorced him, got the sympathy vote and still won her seat from NY, but instead she decided to ride his coattails to the end.
Another poor choice for Hillary and the reason I am not her kind of woman.

I just don't think she is using HER promise well when she tries to be a "man" to get where she wants to be. I too would have voted for her if she had left Bill. I too have defended him many many times! But now that I have seen what his policies have done with NAFTA, and the 1996 Communications Bill and his lobbying for Dubai and others like TATA, then I have lost my respect for him. She was the one that tied herself to his Administration. Now she must live with the good and the bad of it. ;)

Are you saying a woman is not a feminist because she won't leave a cheating husband? You are dead wrong because I know several. Are you saying that gaining votes by sympathy is the way a feminist runs or should run a campaign? Are you saying that pandering for votes is not okay for a woman but it is perfectly acceptable for a man? Are you saying that using someone's name recognition is not okay for a woman but is okay if a male politician does it? And you know darn well that male politicians do this and have been doing it for 200 years.

How can she say that Bill is NOT one of the biggest and best paid lobbyist in the world? She cannot!

Win at all costs...you all keep saying that but have no specifics except your general hatred of her that allows you to post these accusatory threads with no facts.

Obama is winning at ALL costs. He is dividing the democratic party purposefully just to get elected. He is trashing Bill Clinton's successful Presidency and suggesting that Republicans are the party of ideas.

And your argument about the race issue - Who started the race issue in SC?

Bubba: Obama Is Just Like Jesse Jackson

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/01/bubba-obama-is.html

January 26, 2008 8:18 PM

Said Bill Clinton today in Columbia, SC: "Jesse Jackson won South Carolina in '84 and '88. Jackson ran a good campaign. And Obama ran a good campaign here."

This was in response to a question from ABC News' David Wright about it taking "two Clintons to beat" Obama. Jackson had not been mentioned.

Boy, I can't understand why anyone would think the Clintons are running a race-baiting campaign to paint Obama as "the black candidate."

Nice try tho.

Because in the fight for equality... "failure is impossible."

So what other meaningless rhetoric do you need answered?

I still think HRC needs to tone it done some and stop playing the bully card!

an argument is reminiscent of.... Well I think you can remember the meme when Bill banged the intern, "Oh Dear, What will the children think?"

so proud of her!!

Go Hillary!

can pay off. That's what she's teaching. Young women and young men can all learn from her.

Go Hillary!!

She has a lot of energy and uses it to deliver this message, effectively, and to the benefit of potential emulators. I just wish she'd stop using the male imagery, it belittles her.

There are some even worse ones out there that I didn't use.

She doesn't really need too! I think she should tone it down some and show more assertiveness and positive energy!

why do you say that? She is positive and assertive. She's wonderful!!

No debate about it: Clinton's a bully

Monday, April 28th 2008, 4:00 AM

http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/2008/04/28/2008-04-28_no_debate_about_it_clintons_a_bully.html?ref=nl&nltr_ct=1&nltr_id=Goodwin:%20No%20debate%20about%20it:%20Clinton%27s%20a%20bully

Hillary Clinton speaks to a crowd during a campaign stop Sunday in Wilmington, N.C. Mock-Bunting/Getty

Hillary Clinton speaks to a crowd during a campaign stop Sunday in Wilmington, N.C.

Debates about debates are common in campaigns, but that is no ordinary invitation Hillary Clinton is extending to Barack Obama. It's a gang-girl taunt when she tells a big rally she will go anywhere, anytime for a throwdown.

She offers to do it without a moderator, just the two of them asking and answering questions. Stripped of her gauzy spin that it could be like Lincoln-Douglas, she's really challenging him to a bareknuckle punchout. On TV.

It's what a schoolyard tough would do: Knock on a rival's door and dare him to come out and fight on the street. Right here, right now. No rules, just a slugfest, you and me.

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Hmmmmm - Guess I am not alone!

:shrug:

She seems to be trying to cast herself as throwback to the level of barbaric, prehistoric cave men/women.

often required, that one competent PERSON can handle a great deal of flack, that being "in the arena" is a very tough role to take and that preparation counts.

Oh, and that a woman can do these things.

She's teaching them that if you believe in something you must fight for it until the end. She's teaching them to stand tall against all the sexist bastards that will always try to put down a talented woman. She's teaching them that, even though at the end they may still lose, they'll have the satisfaction of knowing that they gave it their all.

I'm tough myself and expect other women to be just as tough. I like a fighter in a president, someone who will stand up for us and never give up.

I don't see that in Obama. Testicular fortitude is not one of his fortes.....

Hillary needs to stop and think about her image that is going out there and all the negativity that follows it. And especially if she does get the nomination!

I would be more worried about Obama's image if I were you. Wright?

is how you get ahead. She won't be my daughters role model. No thank you.

:thumbsup:

...bigotry against women, even from their own kind - other women.

That they - women - have a minimal chance of prevailing in their quest for high office because, they are told emphatically, that their place is in the home, making and raising children - oh, yeah - and baking cookies and driving the kids to school and to the soccer fields.

Women can learn from Hillary Clinton that it isn't about WINNING at any cost - it's about FIGHTING at any cost

Women can learn from Hillary Clinton...They sure can.

She has a lot to offer and a road ahead of her that she needs to think more highly of then throwing down shots at 3 in the afternoon and letting men say she has testicals!

My call!!!

...she is as close to winning as any man has ever achieved. Nothing she has said or done is "manly". That impression is only in the eyes of those of both sexes who cannot recognize and admit her extraordinary successes so far.

And she isn't done yet.

Take a look at this article:

No debate about it: Clinton's a bully

http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/2008/04/28/2008-04-28_no_debate_about_it_clintons_a_bully.html

Monday, April 28th 2008, 4:00 AM

Hillary Clinton speaks to a crowd during a campaign stop Sunday in Wilmington, N.C.

Debates about debates are common in campaigns, but that is no ordinary invitation Hillary Clinton is extending to Barack Obama. It's a gang-girl taunt when she tells a big rally she will go anywhere, anytime for a throwdown.

She offers to do it without a moderator, just the two of them asking and answering questions. Stripped of her gauzy spin that it could be like Lincoln-Douglas, she's really challenging him to a bareknuckle punchout. On TV.

It's what a schoolyard tough would do: Knock on a rival's door and dare him to come out and fight on the street. Right here, right now. No rules, just a slugfest, you and me.

:shrug:

There are masculine and feminine ways to run for office? Your argument makes no sense.

http://www.hr.com/servlets/sfs?&t=/Default/gateway&i=1116423256281&b=1116423256281&application=story&active=no&ParentID=1119278169617&StoryID=1119657297500&xref=http%3A//www.google.com/search%3Fhl%3Den%26q%3D+difference+between+women+leader%2527s+and+male+leaders%253F%26btnG%3DGoogle+Search

The Qualities that Distinguish Women Leaders

Princeton, NJ (PRWEB) April 26, 2005 -- Women leaders tend to be more assertive, persuasive, willing to take risks and have a stronger need to get things done than their male counterparts, according to a new study jointly conducted by Caliper a Princeton-based management consulting firm, which has assessed the potential of more than two million applicants and employees for over 25,000 companies and Aurora, a London-based firm which advances women and delivers a 20,000 member business women's network.

(snip)

“We're looking at a different paradigm of leadership, and it plays naturally to the strengths of women,” says Regina Sacha, Vice President of Human Resources for FedEx Custom Critical. “The tide has turned. The leadership skills that come naturally to women are now absolutely necessary for companies to continue to thrive. It certainly is the reverse of how it was when I first started out in the workplace. It seems like poetic justice.”

Dr. Greenberg underscores, “The nature of the information economy favors teamwork and requires a leadership style that is more inclusive and accepting, rather than autonomous and controlling. Women leaders have shown us that influence and persuasion have taken the place of giving orders and delegating tasks.”

He adds, “The strong leadership profile exhibited by these women on both sides of the Atlantic points to the future. The female view that we strengthen ourselves by strengthening others is re-defining leadership. These women leaders share a strong profile. They are assertive, persuasive, empathic, willing to take risks, outgoing, flexible and have a need to get things done.”

Dr. Greenberg concludes, “These personality qualities combine to create a leadership profile that is much more conducive to today’s diverse workplace, where information is shared freely, collaboration is vital and teamwork distinguishes the best companies.”

...

I just think it would be better for Hillary to use more of these kinds of good qualities then the pushy punch-you-out ones!

...the study says: These women leaders share a strong profile. They are assertive, persuasive, empathic, willing to take risks, outgoing, flexible and have a need to get things done.”

Just like men, eh? LMAO!

She is acting like a boxing match is more appropriate! Slugging down shots and letting people say that she has testicals! Is that being persuasive and empathetic??? I think NOT!

to win.


FOR ONCE.

Hillary should run with McCain - they wouldn't argue about dirty tactics for sure!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

this has been NOTHING compared to the brutality of previous GE's... or hell, even previous primaries!


Grow some thicker skin, stop whining, and run your campaign is what i say.


this meme is ridiculous

Hillary Supporters, Don't Her Tactics At All Disturb You?

Barry Yourgrau

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/barry-yourgrau/hillary-supporters-dont_b_91564.html

Look, Hillary Clinton is my senator, meaning not only that I live in New York, but that I voted for her twice.

Edwards was my first choice for president and would still be if he were in the race. I now support Obama, not without wariness. But with commitment. And I'll sure try to stay engaged and watchful if he becomes president.

That said, I say this: Hillary's campaign tactics over the part few weeks have been shocking. I mean, scandalous. I mean, crossing some destructive Rovian threshold.

I know admirable people who are Hillary supporters. I just can't help wondering:

How can the recent tactics by HRC and some of her affiliates--the McCain and me stuff, the I-don't-think-he's-a-Muslim stuff, the Geraldine Ferraro stuff--not give her supporters profound second thoughts?

Or am I missing how this thing works? That essentially it's Mel Brooks' profound theory of the difference between comedy and tragedy, transferred to politics: If my candidate does something lowdown, it's a teensy mote in a grand and good eye. Whereas when your candidate does it, it's a godallmighty log--an ocular rotten redwood.

But surely, don't Hillary supporters not feel awful uneasy at what I've mentioned above? I've encountered a number of people over the last few days who've told me that they were still pretty undecided between Hillary and Obama--until now, when they regard her in horror.

If you're for Hillary, I'm puzzled how you reconcile these tactics of hers. Is it that she's been misunderstood? Is it that Obama has somehow done similar things too, eg, his stupid remark about Reagan's optimism? But surely these aren't equivalent?

Is this all just Hillary "playing hardball"? But there is hardball--and then there is Rovism. You don't think Hillary is getting awfully near Rovism?

Seriously, I'd like to know. Because I don't understand.

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And neither do I!! But her supporters just keep saying what she is doing is just hunky-dory with them!