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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 08:37 AM
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Rasmussen- McSame 46% Obama 43% /McSame 44%-Clinton 44%/Clinton 46% -Obama 44%
The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Thursday shows that Barack Obama’s former Pastor, Jeremiah Wright, has had a significant impact on the race for the White House. The news is not good for Obama.

In general election polling John McCain now attracts 46% of the vote while Barack Obama earns 43%. Just before Wright had his press conference on Monday, McCain and Obama were even. A week ago, Obama had a two-point edge. McCain is now tied with Hillary Clinton at 44%. A week ago, McCain had a two-point edge over the former First Lady.

Those figures mean that Clinton now outperforms Obama by three points. A week ago, Obama outperformed Clinton by four. Daily tracking results are updated daily at 9:30 a.m. Eastern Time (see recent daily results). New polling in New Hampshire shows that Clinton has gained ground on McCain in the Granite State while Obama is heading in the opposite direction. That poll also found significant voter concerns about Obama and his former Pastor.

In the race for the Democratic Presidential Nomination, the Wright impact is especially evident. Clinton now has a statistically insignificant two-point edge over Obama, 46% to 44%. However, that represents a ten-point swing since Wright’s press conference. Before Pastor Wright appeared at the National Press Club, Obama led Clinton by eight points.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 08:45 AM
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1. Well, la de dah, tomorrow IS another day!
GET THEE BEYOND ME, POLLS!

UNCLEAN! UNCLEAN!!!!



:evilgrin:
rocknation


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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 08:46 AM
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2. I Am A Logical Positivist. I Like To Look At Empirical Data
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 08:47 AM
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3. Great!!!
Obama will never get the white working class vote. He wasn't getting it before Wright's outburst and he sure as heck is not going to get it now.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 08:57 AM
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10. Cool or not. The flow of SDs to Obama over the past week- since
Wrightapalooza, indicates that he's on track to win the nomination. Particularly indicative of this is Joe Andrew defecting to Obama. His comments make clear that he believes Obama will be the nominee. Obama picked up r SDs yesterday and 4 already today.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 09:00 AM
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15. Obama may very well end up being the nominee,
but he still won't get the working class vote.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 09:18 AM
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22. Let me tell you something you should know
If the economy is as catastrophic in November as it looks to be, he will indeed pick up enough of that vote to win. People who can't adequately feed their families or heat their homes or fuel their vehicles, will not be voting against their economic interests this year. This is swiftly shaping up to be the worst economy in a presidential election year since 1932. When it comes to fixing the economy the electorate favors dems by a large margin.
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Nedsdag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 09:00 AM
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14. Neither will Hillary.
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 08:48 AM
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4. while i support clinton and think this is good news, it is sad that he was torpedoed by a bitter man
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 08:53 AM
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8. I Think The Wright Issue Is Complex
Edited on Thu May-01-08 08:54 AM by DemocratSinceBirth
Now that Obama has rejected him the media feels free to depict Reverend Wright as a clown... Yes, a clown... While I disagree with much but not all of what he has said the man is not a clown... I doubt the media would feel free to depict any other African American leader in the news as a clown...
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 08:48 AM
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5. Thanks DSB
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 08:51 AM
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6. No one who voted for the IWR should be rewarded for that vote
The IWR over rode the War Powers act, caused hundreds of thousands of deaths, destabilized the entire middle east, and is directly responsible for the high energy and food price



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Tyler Durden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 09:08 AM
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19. Hard for me to forgive either of them....
After all both of them have OK'd the "Money Tree" for that debacle, AND 99.9% of all the casualties and deaths, military and civilian, have occurred AFTER "Mission Accomplished" moved the WAR into the OCCUPATION.

NEITHER of them have voted to shut off the cash, even though the Pentagon doesn't fund the war out of that pocket: all the funding did was replaced cash they'd already used.
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 09:23 AM
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25. i love how its been renamed to IWR to make it even more sinister... it was the AUMF thanks.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 08:52 AM
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7. Obama trails McLame by 3 today. He was trailing McLame by 3 points a week ago.
The trend among Dems is not promising but we'll see where it stands in a few days.

Hillary's favorables still suck. And she can't win (legitimately) anyway so it should be a moot point.
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 08:57 AM
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11. A pissy one point diff between mcsame/hillary and obama/hillary...
..Obama can overcome that easy - and the polls have showed little diff in the matchups between them. As you say, Hillary can't legitimately win anyway. The DNC would have to appoint/shove/force her in even as a nominee.
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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 08:55 AM
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9. In order for McCain to be polling as high as he is, people
Edited on Thu May-01-08 09:12 AM by LibDemAlways
aren't making the connection between him and the chimp or Bush Crime Family policies - which is very bad for us. The media has been focused on taking down Obama. That's their mission right now. As long as their focus is on casting the Dem frontrunner in the most unfavorable light possible, McCain will continue to skate. If Kerry 04 is any indication, things aren't going to improve any time soon.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 08:58 AM
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12. Despite His Resume McSame Is A Weak Candidate...He Lacks Vigor
Edited on Thu May-01-08 08:59 AM by DemocratSinceBirth
Now if McSame talked , looked, and acted like Reagan we would have a problem...

Also, the political environment is decidely not in the Republican's favor...
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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 09:08 AM
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17. Very true. However, Bush lacked something even more
Edited on Thu May-01-08 09:10 AM by LibDemAlways
important - intelligence. And that was completely disregarded by the corporate whores who managed to turn it into a plus by exploiting the "He's the kind of guy you'd like to have a beer with" meme.

They'll end up turning McCain's age into a positive too. "He's seasoned." "He's experienced." "He's close in age to 'The Greatest Generation.'" "He's been battle-tested." "He's a proud veteran who served his country well under adverse conditions." It also helps that his wife is pretty youthful looking and he has a relatively young family.

No way is the media going to paint him as a tired old guy who should be thinking retirement.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 09:13 AM
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20. His Resume Is Great
Hell, if he looked and talked like Romney we would have problems...

I am not disrepecting McCain or older folks but he just looks old...I suspect his war injuries and battle with Melanoma accelerated the aging process...

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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 09:18 AM
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23. I think another way they can wiggle around the age issue
is for McCain to pick a very youthful, vigorous running mate and put that person front and center in the campaign as a not-so-subtle reminder to voters, "Hey, if something happens to the old man, this young person is all set to pick up the reigns."
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 09:23 AM
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24. If He Picks A Young Guy He Will Only Make McCain Look Older...
He also is short...I know that's superficial but he would be the shortest president since Truman... So, he's a short, old guy...
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 09:01 AM
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16. That will continue through the GE - thus is the lamestream media - corprat-owned...
Edited on Thu May-01-08 09:01 AM by Triana
...and Republican loyal.

They'd tear down any Democrat while giving any Repig a free ride. Right now Obama is the frontrunner so they're after him. If it was Hillary, they'd have their teeth sunk into her instead.

But - like most Repigs they WANT Hillary to win the nom because they're chomping at the bit to go after her - in the media, in the GE, etc.

Also, Hillary is a Republican - she's one of them. So either they want her as part of the 'brotherhood' -- or because they know they can destroy her.

Either way, it's not good for US.

The lamestream media has its own agenda. And just like Hillary and the Repiglickins - what's best for the American people isn't part of it.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 09:16 AM
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21. Respectfully, Your Argument Is Internally Inconsistent
"They'd tear down any Democrat while giving any Repig a free ride. Right now Obama is the frontrunner so they're after him. If it was Hillary, they'd have their teeth sunk into her instead.

But - like most Repigs they WANT Hillary to win the nom because they're chomping at the bit to go after her - in the media, in the GE, etc.

Also, Hillary is a Republican - she's one of them. So either they want her as part of the 'brotherhood' -- or because they know they can destroy her."

-Triana


First you're arguing they would tear down Hillary...Then you argue they wouldn't tear down Hillary because she is one of them...
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 08:58 AM
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13. See ya when the pastorbation peters out
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 09:08 AM
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18. I Merely Reported The Poll
And now if you want my prediction based on doing post graduate work in Political Science, working on state campaigns at fairly high levels, and following politics closely for ten presidential cycles (since I was ten years old) I'll give it to you...

Hell, I'll give it to you anyway... Barack Obama will most likely win the nomination but fissures in the party will cause what should be a blow out for the Democrats to be a close race or possibly a loss... There is no precedent for a party in this political environment (unpopular war, economic downturn) to hold on to the White House... This race is for the Democrats to lose but they can...

And I'll end on my favorite notion...People on the left and right usually only talk to people who think like themselves, get their own views shouted back at them, and consequently think everybody thinks like them... There's a whole world beyond DU and Freak Republic and it is in that world where elections are won and lost...
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 09:26 AM
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26. It's hard to tell..the one thing we can always count on is events will change the narrative
Since March 11, Obama has endured close to two months of Rev. Wright-related problems, interspersed with a self-inflicted wound in Pennsylvania. A weaker candidate would have been ruined by this, just as a stronger candidate than Hillary would have risen far above where she is now in polls like these.

The only prediction I will hazard is "to be continued."
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 09:29 AM
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27. Lots Of Straw Men Have Infected The Analysis
Edited on Thu May-01-08 09:29 AM by DemocratSinceBirth
There is a suggestion that HRC or BHO need to carry the white working class vote to win the election... That's just ahistorical and wrong...What either needs to do is just not lose too badly among that demographic...
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 09:33 AM
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28. Exactly right
40% or so with white voters plus a huge turnout of our own base wins the election.

White people continue to be their own worst enemy. If we ever come close to recapturing them we'll win in a landslide every time.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 09:39 AM
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29. Does 40% Work
I was referring to working class whites...Last Dem to get a majority of white votes was LBJ...I believe Clinton got a bare plurality in 96 but I'm not sure and too lazy to look it up...

African Americans will make up approximately twelve percent of the electorate...Latinos will make up approximately ten percent of the electorate... 12% X 90% =11% ...10% X 70% =7%....40% X 78% =31%... Close Enough...

Latinos and whites are the key...
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 09:50 AM
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30. It works for men
Gore got 36% of the white male vote in 2000 and he still won the popular vote. Not that we should aim that low...
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 09:55 AM
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31. A good portion of the white vote is our base.
Be careful how you categorize.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 09:56 AM
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32. Women
Get 40% of the men and you're a hero.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 10:33 AM
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34. Trying Not To Categorize Negatively
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Creideiki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 11:25 AM
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35. "Our own base" is in jeopardy
There's been significant demonization--quite demonstrably heavier from the Obama camp--of a strong minority group that has the highest voting rate in the country. Now, that's not a universal--some of those in that group would vote against their own self-interest in favor of someone that has signalled that he would veto from the Right civil right legislation that helps that group, even if Congress shows willingness to do it without the President expending political capital.

When Obama becomes the nominee, as I believe he will, rather than being able to position himself to the Center and wink-and-nod to that minority like is traditional among Democrats, he's going to have to move to the Left to gain that support back. First, I don't see him doing that. He's surrounding himself with people hostile to that minority. Second, he has no empathy for that minority--they're not like him. Finally, he really does like this working-with-the-right image, and working with that constituency would hurt him with that image.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 10:03 AM
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33. All the BS GE polling and spin, note about one poll
On the bright side for Obama, his showings in Florida and Pennsylvania have improved since the last poll from a month ago. However, Hillary is still outperforming him in all three states.

link


Obama improved? Impossible, what about Wright-gate and Bitter-gate?

All of these BS GE polls are smoke and mirrors to bolster Hillary's argument in a race she can't win.

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