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PresidentObama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 12:45 PM Original message |
If you think Hillary has a chance still, prove it. I want the path to victory, the math to get there |
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Ravy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 12:46 PM Response to Original message |
1. The rest of the superdelegates vote for her. |
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Triana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 12:46 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. And how realistic is that? n/t |
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PresidentObama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 12:47 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. Not realistic at all. |
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Ravy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 12:53 PM Response to Reply #5 |
17. The remaining SDs are waiting for something. |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 01:23 PM Response to Reply #17 |
91. except the 5 that went for Obama so far today |
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Ravy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 12:48 PM Response to Reply #2 |
8. Doesn't take all of the rest of them. Until Obama reaches 2025, it is possible. |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 03:42 PM Response to Reply #8 |
144. He needs only 31 more to effectively remove enough from the undecided |
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Ravy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-02-08 03:52 AM Response to Reply #144 |
239. I could see it happening if Obama loses NC and Indiana. |
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jaysunb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 12:47 PM Response to Reply #1 |
6. Is that likely to happen ? |
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olkaz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 12:48 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. Give the guy a break, he just answered the question. |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 12:47 PM Response to Reply #1 |
7. That's about the only way |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 12:56 PM Response to Reply #1 |
25. there are only 294 SDs left |
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RUMMYisFROSTED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 04:17 PM Response to Reply #25 |
162. One dark green. |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 12:46 PM Response to Original message |
3. The same exact way Obama gets the nomination |
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Blarch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 07:16 PM Response to Reply #3 |
221. But hillary keeps crying about 'counting the votes' |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 12:47 PM Response to Original message |
4. Math? |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 12:49 PM Response to Original message |
10. Superdelegates can do what they want, too. Even if they make a promise, you know, like Bill |
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PresidentObama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 12:50 PM Response to Reply #10 |
13. How can the facts on the ground change enough to make Hillary the nominee? |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 12:51 PM Response to Reply #13 |
14. I think they already are.... |
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PresidentObama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 12:52 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. How? n/t |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 12:54 PM Response to Reply #16 |
20. If you can't feel the seismic shift... |
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PresidentObama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 12:56 PM Response to Reply #20 |
24. Seems to me Obama is still ahead in delegates, popular vote, and closed the gap with SD's. |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 12:56 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. Haha...Just wait a few days |
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PresidentObama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 12:57 PM Response to Reply #27 |
30. Really? She can win the total number of delegates and the popular vote in a few days? |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 01:02 PM Response to Reply #30 |
40. Haha... |
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PresidentObama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 01:04 PM Response to Reply #40 |
45. Intrade means what in the big picture? Oh, nothing. Thanks. |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 01:07 PM Response to Reply #45 |
51. Usually a pretty good indicator of the mood. |
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PresidentObama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 01:09 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. What's next? Going to use an AOL poll as an example? |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 01:10 PM Response to Reply #53 |
55. Do you know what InTrade is? |
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PresidentObama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 01:10 PM Response to Reply #55 |
59. Yes. And it definitely doesn't mean shit in the big picture. At all. |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 01:11 PM Response to Reply #59 |
60. If you say so.... |
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PresidentObama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 01:12 PM Response to Reply #60 |
62. I know so. |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 01:13 PM Response to Reply #62 |
71. Good Luck in NC & IN! |
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PresidentObama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 01:15 PM Response to Reply #71 |
75. Thank you :) |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 04:58 PM Response to Reply #71 |
192. How is it you explained the math again? |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 09:11 PM Response to Reply #192 |
228. Wow...Who are you? |
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RainDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 09:39 PM Response to Reply #228 |
229. Obama is the winner, according to this math |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 09:42 PM Response to Reply #229 |
230. Um...Thanks for sharing! |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 09:49 PM Response to Reply #230 |
233. You are welcome. Somone has to be grounded in reality. You obviously arent towing the line |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 09:46 PM Response to Reply #228 |
231. So, the OP asked about what is your math solution for Hillary and you don't have one. |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 01:12 PM Response to Reply #53 |
67. Why did you even bother to ask anyone if all you're gonna do is reply with feeble snark? |
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Terran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 01:24 PM Response to Reply #67 |
92. All he's gotten is feebleness in reply |
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demon67 (368 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 01:10 PM Response to Reply #40 |
57. Huh? |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 01:12 PM Response to Reply #57 |
65. :-) |
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PresidentObama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 01:16 PM Response to Reply #65 |
76. Obama still leading? Yes! What a trend! n/t |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 01:18 PM Response to Reply #76 |
81. And falling like a rock. |
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PresidentObama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 01:19 PM Response to Reply #81 |
83. 75% change of winning is falling? Oh, ok. |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 01:20 PM Response to Reply #83 |
85. From 82-85% last week? Yeah. Falling |
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PresidentObama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 01:21 PM Response to Reply #85 |
87. So what's at Hillary at? Percent, please? And again, InTrade means nothing. |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 01:22 PM Response to Reply #87 |
88. She is up by the same amount Obama is down! Go figure. |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 04:59 PM Response to Reply #85 |
193. Let me always do so badly. |
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RichardRay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 02:59 PM Response to Reply #65 |
126. Do you know what a 'trend' is? |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 03:05 PM Response to Reply #126 |
129. Why so bitter? |
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RichardRay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 03:42 PM Response to Reply #129 |
143. Not bitter, just careful with the terms and concepts I work with. |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 03:49 PM Response to Reply #143 |
148. Trend - Noun |
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RichardRay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 04:13 PM Response to Reply #148 |
157. Trend analysis - the process of distinguishing between... |
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JackORoses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 01:12 PM Response to Reply #40 |
64. so Obama is at 75%, what is Lil' Hilly at again? |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 01:12 PM Response to Reply #64 |
68. Lil' Hilly is Movin' On Up! |
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JackORoses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 01:23 PM Response to Reply #68 |
90. I see you are embarrassed to actually post her number |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 01:28 PM Response to Reply #64 |
95. Oh...I thought it was rhetorical... |
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kmsarvis (312 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 01:13 PM Response to Reply #40 |
70. Wow ! I cant believe it ! |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 01:15 PM Response to Reply #70 |
73. And Dropping Precipitiously... |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 02:10 PM Response to Reply #40 |
109. So, he's dropped from 82% chance to 74% chance? |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 02:20 PM Response to Reply #109 |
110. Rising. Fast |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 02:25 PM Response to Reply #110 |
111. How's the weather on your planet? |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 02:26 PM Response to Reply #111 |
112. Do you deny that she is rising and Obama is sinking at this moment? |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 02:29 PM Response to Reply #112 |
113. Yes. The drop has leveled off at 76%. Not seeing any further downward trend |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 02:32 PM Response to Reply #113 |
116. It is at 74.2 at this very minute |
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haymakeragain (841 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 02:45 PM Response to Reply #116 |
118. What's Hillarious' number? |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 02:52 PM Response to Reply #118 |
121. 25. Up about 10 pts in a week. |
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haymakeragain (841 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 02:53 PM Response to Reply #121 |
123. Wow, basically 75 to 25? Are you bragging or complaining? |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 02:55 PM Response to Reply #123 |
124. You can't feel the shift? |
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haymakeragain (841 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 03:27 PM Response to Reply #124 |
136. I feel a bowel movement coming on, is that what you mean? |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 03:31 PM Response to Reply #136 |
139. No.. Up ten for Clinton, down ten for Obama. |
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haymakeragain (841 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 03:32 PM Response to Reply #139 |
140. It's 75-25 and you're gleeful? |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 03:33 PM Response to Reply #140 |
141. Up 10% in a week is evidence of a huge shift. |
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haymakeragain (841 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 03:39 PM Response to Reply #141 |
142. 75-25 is what is huge. |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 03:46 PM Response to Reply #142 |
146. :-) |
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haymakeragain (841 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 04:39 PM Response to Reply #146 |
171. ;-) |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 04:40 PM Response to Reply #171 |
172. The Beaver State! |
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haymakeragain (841 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 04:41 PM Response to Reply #172 |
174. Careful, |
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dbmk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 05:14 PM Response to Reply #141 |
201. One person can move those numbers in 10 mins. |
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PseudoIntellect (701 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 06:49 PM Response to Reply #124 |
220. LOL. Today I learned that getting 5 superdelegate endorsements is not a shift compared to Intrade. |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 02:08 PM Response to Reply #20 |
108. I think the OP wanted to COUNT it, not just feel it n/t |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 02:31 PM Response to Reply #108 |
114. Um...Yeah. OK |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 05:00 PM Response to Reply #114 |
194. Yes, and your delegate math again? |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-02-08 08:27 AM Response to Reply #194 |
240. Right. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 12:56 PM Response to Reply #13 |
26. Well, take a look at the Dean Scream, for example. |
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electron_blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 01:15 PM Response to Reply #13 |
74. Delegates who already "endorsed" can still change their mind. |
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tammywammy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 01:13 PM Response to Reply #10 |
69. What promise did Richardson make? |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 04:48 PM Response to Reply #69 |
179. That's what he says. Apparently there are a number of people who say he isn't telling the truth. NT |
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tammywammy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 04:50 PM Response to Reply #179 |
181. I've only heard Bill Clinton say he promised something |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 04:52 PM Response to Reply #181 |
184. If you want to believe that, well, that's your choice. NT |
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futureliveshere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 03:52 PM Response to Reply #10 |
150. Richardson had not publicly endorsed. Just because "wagging finger" says so doesnt make it real. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 04:49 PM Response to Reply #150 |
180. His word was not his bond. That's not how it's done, though. He'll pay for it. NT |
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futureliveshere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 04:58 PM Response to Reply #180 |
191. Thats a ridiculous argument Maddy and you know it. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 05:12 PM Response to Reply #191 |
199. No, I won't. |
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futureliveshere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 05:43 PM Response to Reply #199 |
213. You won't because you CAN'T |
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Lucky 13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 04:12 PM Response to Reply #10 |
156. You're damn skippy!! |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 04:50 PM Response to Reply #156 |
182. Flabby little whiner, that fellah. But hey, you dig on it if it keeps ya warm! NT |
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Lucky 13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 05:17 PM Response to Reply #182 |
203. Why when intellectual people choose her opponent do you attack them for their LOOKS? |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 05:19 PM Response to Reply #203 |
204. Keep whining. That's all we hear from your team. NT |
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Lucky 13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 05:23 PM Response to Reply #204 |
207. Still not hearing you say ANYTHING intellegent.... |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 05:26 PM Response to Reply #207 |
210. Lucky, I don't want to talk to you anymore. |
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LakeSamish706 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 12:49 PM Response to Original message |
11. And this video needs to be kept kicked as well... This should dump any... |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 12:59 PM Response to Reply #11 |
35. In typical Obama like fashion |
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LakeSamish706 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 01:05 PM Response to Reply #35 |
47. Do you mean to tell me they did something like they did to Rev. Wright? |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 01:22 PM Response to Reply #47 |
89. Wrong |
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otohara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 01:18 PM Response to Reply #35 |
80. What Did She Say |
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NatBurner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 04:15 PM Response to Reply #35 |
159. sucks, don't it? |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 04:54 PM Response to Reply #35 |
186. It's pretty interesting how that works. |
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Cruzan (806 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 12:59 PM Response to Reply #11 |
36. "Rich people, God bless us, we deserve all the opportunities..." |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 03:06 PM Response to Reply #11 |
131. ROFL |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 12:49 PM Response to Original message |
12. sure. She comes with in a couple of points in NC or beats him there |
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DangerDave921 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 12:52 PM Response to Original message |
15. Math is not the issue |
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PresidentObama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 12:53 PM Response to Reply #15 |
19. The only way she can make them "nervous" enough about Obama is to slime him. |
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DangerDave921 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 12:59 PM Response to Reply #19 |
34. agreed |
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newmajority (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 12:56 PM Response to Reply #15 |
29. Superdelegates are party insiders. They aren't going to be swayed by the whore media. |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 12:58 PM Response to Reply #29 |
32. And they also aren't going to back a clear loser. They're not stupid. |
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newmajority (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 01:04 PM Response to Reply #32 |
44. That's why they're all abandoning the SS Hillary |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 01:45 PM Response to Reply #44 |
102. You cling to that, idea like a gun or your 'worldview,' if it makes you feel good. nt |
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SeaLyons (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 12:53 PM Response to Original message |
18. Win in IN and NC... |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 12:54 PM Response to Reply #18 |
21. Dreaming |
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SeaLyons (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 01:04 PM Response to Reply #21 |
43. that's right.... |
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AllentownJake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 01:17 PM Response to Reply #43 |
78. Right |
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Tellurian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 01:19 PM Response to Reply #43 |
82. No, we're talking about the popular vote.. |
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PresidentObama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 12:55 PM Response to Reply #18 |
23. Poll numbers in IN and NC, please? And even if she wins by huge margins, who would still be ahead? |
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SeaLyons (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 01:05 PM Response to Reply #23 |
46. did they flock in large numbers to Obama - No! |
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PresidentObama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 01:06 PM Response to Reply #46 |
48. Didn't answer any of my questions--thanks though. Next. |
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TheDudeAbides (240 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 12:55 PM Response to Original message |
22. True Democracy? Do we get a revote in Florida & Michigan? |
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PresidentObama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 12:59 PM Response to Reply #22 |
33. Hillary: FL or MI don't count for anything. |
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TheDudeAbides (240 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 01:03 PM Response to Reply #33 |
41. Democracy: not to be decided by Hillary *or* Obama |
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PresidentObama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 01:07 PM Response to Reply #41 |
50. Florida nor Michigan count. And it's there fault. So get over it. |
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TheDudeAbides (240 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 01:10 PM Response to Reply #50 |
58. DNC Primary: not Democratic |
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PresidentObama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 01:11 PM Response to Reply #58 |
61. Florida and Michigan sealed their own fates. |
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TheDudeAbides (240 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 01:17 PM Response to Reply #61 |
77. A true leader would correct corruption by state leaders & candidates |
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newmajority (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 01:12 PM Response to Reply #22 |
63. Florida & Michigan broke the rules. Why should they get a do-over? |
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TheDudeAbides (240 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 01:20 PM Response to Reply #63 |
86. Democracy is about the People...not the elected leaders |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 07:29 PM Response to Reply #86 |
224. Only half right. Democracy is about the people electing leaders to execute decisions and policy |
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TheDudeAbides (240 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 09:08 PM Response to Reply #224 |
227. Funny how it's ok for Republican state legislature to screw up Demo Primaries |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 09:48 PM Response to Reply #227 |
232. You dont really want me to get MadFloridian on your case to explain how wrong you are, do you? |
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TheDudeAbides (240 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-02-08 09:48 PM Response to Reply #232 |
241. Dean destroys the people's Democracy as punishment for naughty state leaders |
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VotesForWomen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 10:24 PM Response to Reply #224 |
235. yeah, and the SDs and party leaders can do whatever they want. deal with it. |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 10:41 PM Response to Reply #235 |
238. That is the nature of representative democracy. Are you just learning this now? |
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harun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 10:30 PM Response to Reply #22 |
237. Go back to grade school. We live in a representative republic and for |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 12:56 PM Response to Original message |
28. Just another dumbass post by you. How the fuck do you prove something that "you think"? |
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PresidentObama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 01:00 PM Response to Reply #28 |
37. Instead of blasting my post, you could simply answer the question. |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 01:02 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. Why are you always accusing people of looking for attention? That reeks of your jealousy, Senator |
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PresidentObama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 01:04 PM Response to Reply #39 |
42. Answer my OP instead of attacking me and making silly remarks. |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 01:09 PM Response to Reply #42 |
54. Did you forget |
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PresidentObama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 01:14 PM Response to Reply #54 |
72. Oh my dear god, jealousy? You take the internet too seriously... |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 01:17 PM Response to Reply #72 |
79. Yes, jealousy. BTW, Senator, are you actually saying that some "math" rules Hillary out? |
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PresidentObama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 01:19 PM Response to Reply #79 |
84. Not really. Huckabee was still in the GOP race when the math was 100% against him. |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 01:26 PM Response to Reply #84 |
93. Huckabee was far far behind, and the Republicans system is different |
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PresidentObama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 01:29 PM Response to Reply #93 |
96. I don't blame Hillary for staying in, it's her right. |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 01:41 PM Response to Reply #96 |
99. Because of the way our system is set up, she'd be crazy NOT to stay in it now |
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PresidentObama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 01:50 PM Response to Reply #99 |
104. I certainly would prefer Hillary as the nominee....However... |
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Avalux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 12:58 PM Response to Original message |
31. I've been reading these replies with amusement. Apparently math is not a factor. |
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PresidentObama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 01:01 PM Response to Reply #31 |
38. At least they're replying this time. Just not with answers. |
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woolldog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 01:10 PM Response to Reply #38 |
56. She can't. |
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mdmc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 01:07 PM Response to Original message |
49. Easy... Obama pulls a Spitzer and HRC is still standing |
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PresidentObama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 01:08 PM Response to Reply #49 |
52. How realistic is that? Maybe should pick up on the National Enquirer story I saw yesterday. |
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mdmc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 01:12 PM Response to Reply #52 |
66. Hillary might sic the BigDog on Michelle |
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spooky3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 01:27 PM Response to Original message |
94. Realistically, NEITHER of them can win enough total delegates to secure the nomination |
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GihrenZabi (426 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 01:32 PM Response to Reply #94 |
97. Answer the question |
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spooky3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 01:37 PM Response to Reply #97 |
98. I answered the question and PROVIDED MULTIPLE PATHS. |
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GihrenZabi (426 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 01:42 PM Response to Reply #98 |
100. ? |
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pdx_prog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 01:43 PM Response to Reply #94 |
101. The nomination is going to be decided by the DNC at this point |
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Tellurian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 01:49 PM Response to Reply #101 |
103. Hillary will WIN with the popular vote.. |
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wowimthere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 01:54 PM Response to Reply #103 |
105. You're judging him based on his pastor and the word bitter and not the war vote? |
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Tellurian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 02:41 PM Response to Reply #105 |
117. I'm judging you on your accountability of stating accurate facts.. |
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haymakeragain (841 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 02:52 PM Response to Reply #117 |
120. Facts like Hillary is ahead in the popular vote? |
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Tellurian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 03:00 PM Response to Reply #120 |
127. Hillary is already ahead of Obama in the Popular vote |
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Vinca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 03:14 PM Response to Reply #127 |
132. Does that include Michigan and Florida? I've seen the same |
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haymakeragain (841 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 03:21 PM Response to Reply #127 |
134. You're full of crap. |
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Tellurian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 04:07 PM Response to Reply #134 |
153. Am I ? Florida and Michigan are not included in the vote totals giving her a 12,000 vote lead.. |
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haymakeragain (841 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 04:32 PM Response to Reply #153 |
167. It is you, you pontificating, |
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Tellurian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 04:52 PM Response to Reply #167 |
185. No you are as hopeless and hapless as your candidate.. |
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dbmk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 04:01 PM Response to Reply #117 |
152. One would think |
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haymakeragain (841 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 02:50 PM Response to Reply #103 |
119. Actually the reality you're hoping for is |
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Tellurian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 03:04 PM Response to Reply #119 |
128. The usual disinformation campaign by Obama supporters allergic to the Truth |
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haymakeragain (841 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 03:26 PM Response to Reply #128 |
135. Hey rovarian, just repeating it over and over don't make it so. |
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Tellurian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 03:50 PM Response to Reply #135 |
149. I provided a link to the math..your refusal to accept she is ahead by 12,000 votes |
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haymakeragain (841 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 04:38 PM Response to Reply #149 |
170. Here's the facts: |
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Phillycat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 02:02 PM Response to Reply #94 |
107. Excellent, unbiased post. |
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wowimthere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 01:57 PM Response to Original message |
106. That's why there should be separation of church and State... The Wright issue is a stupid GOP issue |
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TheDudeAbides (240 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 02:31 PM Response to Reply #106 |
115. The Wright issue is a Judgment issue |
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Lucky 13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 02:53 PM Response to Original message |
122. You're asking them to do MATH? |
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Vinca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 02:55 PM Response to Original message |
125. There is no way she can overcome Obama's numbers and there |
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Tellurian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 03:06 PM Response to Reply #125 |
130. Do notice Kerry 2008 has suddenly disappeared.. |
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haymakeragain (841 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 03:28 PM Response to Reply #130 |
137. She can only win through malfeasance. but she's trying anyway. |
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Tellurian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 03:43 PM Response to Reply #137 |
145. Since when is the Will of the People considered malfeasance? |
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haymakeragain (841 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 04:36 PM Response to Reply #145 |
169. Since trying to count MI when one of the players wasn't on the ballot, |
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Tellurian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 04:55 PM Response to Reply #169 |
188. No projection at all...you're a sore loser is all.. |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 03:16 PM Response to Original message |
133. Hey Pal---What is the magic #??? |
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haymakeragain (841 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 03:29 PM Response to Reply #133 |
138. What is the magic number? I don't know, can you tell me? |
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dbmk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 03:46 PM Response to Original message |
147. I tried to do this yesterday too |
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Tellurian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 03:53 PM Response to Reply #147 |
151. Hillary is ahead in the Popular vote by 12,000 votes...that is how she can win.. |
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dbmk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 04:10 PM Response to Reply #151 |
154. yeah |
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Tellurian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 04:14 PM Response to Reply #154 |
158. MI and Fl aren't included in the popular vote totals giving Hillary a 12,000 vote lead over Obama.. |
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dbmk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 04:25 PM Response to Reply #158 |
165. Haha - See I was looking at the numbers |
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haymakeragain (841 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 04:40 PM Response to Reply #165 |
173. A big river in Africa is in the way. |
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dbmk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 04:42 PM Response to Reply #173 |
175. Yeah, I would be much surprised to see Tellurian in this thread again |
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dbmk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 04:48 PM Response to Reply #173 |
178. I am just left wondering.. |
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Tellurian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 04:48 PM Original message |
They specified in the link...even IF she looses NC.. |
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dbmk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 04:54 PM Response to Original message |
187. It is STILL with FL/MI counted in |
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Tellurian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 04:57 PM Response to Reply #187 |
190. Yes, but they allowed for a loss in North Carolina... |
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dbmk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 05:05 PM Response to Reply #190 |
196. Ok, lets take this one step at a time |
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kenny blankenship (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 04:11 PM Response to Original message |
155. Well, she has 53-56% unfavorable ratings already, & 59% of the country regard her as a Liar |
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Tellurian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 04:17 PM Response to Reply #155 |
160. The live MSM has Obama Poll numbers sinking like a rock.. |
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kenny blankenship (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 04:19 PM Response to Reply #160 |
163. You -and a bunch of racists- are going to be SO disappointed. |
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Tellurian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 04:22 PM Response to Reply #163 |
164. Ah, yes, we've been waiting for the race card to be played.. |
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haymakeragain (841 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 04:43 PM Response to Reply #164 |
176. The phrase "race card" is cover speak |
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VotesForWomen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 10:27 PM Response to Reply #163 |
236. calling anybody that doesn't support obama a racist probably isn't a good campaign strategy. |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 04:17 PM Response to Original message |
161. make me a "believer" |
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Tellurian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 04:27 PM Response to Reply #161 |
166. Easy.. |
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dbmk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 04:34 PM Response to Reply #166 |
168. Well it is easy if you have no clue what numbers you are dealing with |
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haymakeragain (841 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 04:48 PM Response to Reply #168 |
177. You know what? |
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Tellurian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 04:51 PM Response to Reply #168 |
183. Well, before you make a fool of yourself as well.. I answered your post up thread.. |
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dbmk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 04:56 PM Response to Reply #183 |
189. But you did not read it apparently |
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Tellurian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 05:03 PM Response to Reply #189 |
195. I did.. |
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dbmk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 05:07 PM Response to Reply #195 |
197. You claimed she was 12k ahead to day without MI/FL |
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Tellurian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 05:09 PM Response to Reply #197 |
198. Come back to me after next Tuesday...deal? |
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dbmk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 05:12 PM Response to Reply #198 |
200. Aarg |
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Tellurian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 05:16 PM Response to Reply #200 |
202. The NC and Indy Primarys...are May 6th...next Tuesday |
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dbmk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 05:22 PM Response to Reply #202 |
206. You still haven't explained how that is in any way tied to your claim |
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dbmk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 05:24 PM Response to Reply #202 |
208. Oh, btw |
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Tellurian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 05:42 PM Response to Reply #208 |
212. Oh, my...I'm bookmarking this thread btw.. |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 06:04 PM Response to Reply #212 |
215. ROFL! |
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dbmk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 06:38 PM Response to Reply #215 |
218. I did read it. And I don't agree that Clinton does no harm staying in. |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 06:48 PM Response to Reply #218 |
219. I know, I know |
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dbmk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 07:29 PM Response to Reply #219 |
225. It is a sign that many believe her to do McCains work. For no good reason. |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 08:28 PM Response to Reply #225 |
226. symptoms, distractions, confusion |
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dbmk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 06:33 PM Response to Reply #212 |
216. But what has that got to do with the article you link to? |
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dbmk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 06:35 PM Response to Reply #212 |
217. But hey, if you think I am as dense as it appears you deem me to be |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 05:58 PM Response to Reply #166 |
214. read my post |
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A-Schwarzenegger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 05:21 PM Response to Original message |
205. Use the new reverse math. |
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ronnykmarshall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 05:24 PM Response to Original message |
209. Isn't it funny |
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PresidentObama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 07:19 PM Response to Reply #209 |
222. You guys ignore me everytime I say this---I still prefer Hillary. |
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cornermouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 05:27 PM Response to Original message |
211. Whatever happened to voting for the person who most closely |
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PresidentObama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 07:20 PM Response to Reply #211 |
223. I already did. I voted for Hillary. That was on Super Tuesday, when she had a chance. |
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quakerboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu May-01-08 10:01 PM Response to Original message |
234. Not a Hillary supporter |
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