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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 12:58 PM
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Rosanne Barr's guest was analyzing McCain's military record on AAR
yesterday. The truth of his record is hardly heroic.

I posted the question here a few weeks ago and I was soundly denounced for it. I'm not suggesting the Dems should attack McCain but I really think the straightforward truth should come out. After the way John Kerry was treated in 2004 regarding his military record- lying about it and ridiculing him, I don't see why this is sacred ground.

This is the way the public has been taught to think about McCain, and this is part of the reason why the MSM treats him with kid gloves. I am NOT saying that the nominee should do this, but I do think it should be brought into the light of day, just as Bush's AWOL status should have been.


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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 01:12 PM
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1. He admits getting shot down does not make you a hero. Refusing a 'get out of Hanoi free' pass does.
We shouldn't go there.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 01:18 PM
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2. I'm more interested in why he put the kibosh on the Vietnam POW/MIA investigations in 1995
All to obtain relations with Vietnam.
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 01:19 PM
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3. so what is his record?
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 01:25 PM
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5. This article summarizes...
McCain's Military Record Shows He Is Unfit To Be President

There is now no doubt that John McCain will be the Republican candidate for President of the United States. For years, McCain has coasted on his reputation as a war hero and a “maverick Republican”, the kind of Republican that even decent people could vote for. Now that he’s in the running for the most important job in the world, however, it’s important to look a little more critically at his past. McCain Is A Manchurian Candidate. McCain Is No War Hero. Most of the major media outlets find it impossible to publish a story about McCain which doesn’t include the phrase “war hero” in it somewhere. If you know anything about John McCain, it’s that he’s a war hero. But is he?

McCain’s reputation as a war hero rests on the sum total of 20 hours in combat. That’s right. McCain spent only 20 hours in combat in the entire war. He flew 23 missions. He got 28 medals. In other words, he got more medals than he had missions. Not bad. It should be noted that none of McCain’s medals related to anything he did in combat. They were given for the supposed bravery he displayed after he had been shot down and captured.

It’s appropriate to ask whether McCain’s shoot-down was caused by bad luck or simple incompetence on his part. Of course, there is no way to answer definitively. But we can form an assessment based on the rest of McCain’s military record. At the Naval Academy, McCain graduated almost bottom of his class. He was 790th out of 795. McCain lost many aircraft over the course of his military career – five in total. Most pilots who lost aircraft at the rate McCain did would have been kicked out of the service. But McCain had protection from up on high. His father was an admiral. He was an untouchable. So McCain blundered his way through his military career until he was finally shot down.

McCain claims that he was tortured while in custody. There were no other American witnesses to this torture and some former POWs doubt that it happened at all. In fact, McCain himself admitted in a 1973 interview with the magazine US News and World Report that he volunteered to give military information in return for medical treatment, even before being subjected to any torture.

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However much pity we might feel for a prisoner of war subjected to such intense pressures, the record is clear : McCain was no war hero. He was, rather, a coward, an incompetent, a collaborator and a traitor.

much more at...
http://www.forandagainst.com/articles/McCain_s_Military_Record_Shows_He_Is_Unfit_To_Be_President
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TheDebbieDee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 01:24 PM
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4. I think we should cast aspersions on McCain's War service
by having protestors walking around Minneapolis with their hands held over our heads throughout the repuke national convention.

Just to get even with the purple band-aid thing that the repukes did to Kerry in 2004.
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 01:28 PM
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6. The purple bandaid thing was the most despicable act
I've ever seen a party condone. You're right- we should protest at the convention. Turning the tables is only fair.
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