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Hutzpa

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Thu May-01-08 01:16 PM
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So the Clintons are using SPIN POLLS now

Edited on Thu May-01-08 01:50 PM by spokane

it has come to numerous organization that the Clintons are using

Spin Polls to mislead and misinform voters into thinking

that she is leading in various polls as to influence their

decisions that she is a better candidate.

The Clintons argument is the polls shows they are leading

when which ofcourse they are the ones manipulating the polls

to show her leading, this also can easily allow them to put

the fix on in disenfranchising voters and the voting results.

In the end no one will question their coming from behind win or

have any doubts as to what happens.

The more SPIN POLLS they put out the more people will become
convinced that she won Indiana

The Fix Is On

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leftofcool

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Thu May-01-08 01:18 PM
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1. Clinton controls SUSA, MSNBC, Ras, and others now?

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Fearless

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Thu May-01-08 01:18 PM
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2. Link please? I'd like to know what I'm angry about.

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Hutzpa

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Thu May-01-08 01:24 PM
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4. Sometimes links are not the answer to problems n/t

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Thu May-01-08 01:25 PM
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9. No but they are the answer to fools who can type.

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Texas Hill Country

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Thu May-01-08 01:29 PM
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13. so you admit that this is a totally unfounded accusation?

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rinsd

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Thu May-01-08 01:21 PM
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3. She is leading in various polls though certainly not all polls

Thursday, May 01

Race Poll Results Spread
New Hampshire: McCain vs. Clinton Rasmussen McCain 47, Clinton 44, Und. 9 McCain +3.0
New Hampshire: McCain vs. Obama Rasmussen McCain 51, Obama 41, Und. 8 McCain +10.0
North Carolina Democratic Primary Insider Adv Obama 42, Clinton 44, Und. 14 Clinton +2.0
Indiana Democratic Primary Rasmussen Clinton 46, Obama 41 Clinton +5.0
Democratic Presidential Nomination Gallup Trac Obama 45, Clinton 49 Clinton +4.0
Democratic Presidential Nomination FOX News Obama 41, Clinton 44 Clinton +3.0
General Election: McCain vs. Clinton FOX News McCain 44, Clinton 45, Und. 11 Clinton +1.0
General Election: McCain vs. Obama FOX News McCain 46, Obama 43, Und. 11 McCain +3.0
North Carolina Democratic Primary Mason-Dixon Obama 49, Clinton 42 Obama +7.0
Democratic Presidential Nomination Rasmussen Trac Obama 44, Clinton 46 Clinton +2.0
Democratic Presidential Nomination CBS News/NY T Obama 46, Clinton 38 Obama +8.0
Democratic Presidential Nomination NBC/WSJ Obama 46, Clinton 43 Obama +3.0
General Election: McCain vs. Clinton CBS News/NY T McCain 43, Clinton 48, Und. 4 Clinton +5.0
General Election: McCain vs. Clinton NBC/WSJ McCain 44, Clinton 45 Clinton +1.0
General Election: McCain vs. Obama CBS News/NY T McCain 45, Obama 45, Und. 5 Tie
General Election: McCain vs. Obama NBC/WSJ McCain 43, Obama 46 Obama +3.0
Indiana Democratic Primary TeleResearch Clinton 48, Obama 38, Und. 14 Clinton +10.0
Pennsylvania: McCain vs. Clinton Quinnipiac McCain 37, Clinton 51, Und. 6 Clinton +14.0
Pennsylvania: McCain vs. Obama Quinnipiac McCain 38, Obama 47, Und. 9 Obama +9.0
Ohio: McCain vs. Clinton Quinnipiac McCain 38, Clinton 48, Und. 7 Clinton +10.0
Ohio: McCain vs. Obama Quinnipiac McCain 43, Obama 42, Und. 8 McCain +1.0
Florida: McCain vs. Clinton Quinnipiac McCain 41, Clinton 49, Und. 6 Clinton +8.0
Florida: McCain vs. Obama Quinnipiac McCain 44, Obama 43, Und. 8 McCain +1.0

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/latestpolls/index.html

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Fearless

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Thu May-01-08 01:25 PM
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6. I love your choice of polls... a no spin zone?

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rinsd

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Thu May-01-08 01:27 PM
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10. That was every poll released yesterday.

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Fearless

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Thu May-01-08 01:29 PM
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12. Every poll? Not really. Just every poll they have on that page.

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rinsd

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Thu May-01-08 01:33 PM
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19. So what's your point? That posting the polls that just came out is somehow spin?

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Fearless

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Thu May-01-08 01:34 PM
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21. No, posting polls is not spin...

Posting polls from states that either no longer matter in the primary process, PA and NH, both of which voted for her anyways, instead of focusing on IN or national polls is disingenuous.

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rinsd

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Thu May-01-08 01:41 PM
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29. Since the OP was as clear as mud, I went to the latest polls released.

Edited on Thu May-01-08 02:01 PM by rinsd

How you call that spin is beyond me.

But if you're curious in spin, Hillary is leading IN in the last 4 polls released and has pulled ahead of Obama in two national tracking polls. :-P

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Fearless

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Thu May-01-08 02:00 PM
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33. You spin again... two national polls... of how many?

Indiana polls... what have their track records been over the past weeks? How accurate have they been in the past? Who conducted them? Who was the sample made up of?

These are just a few questions that need to be answered before spin can be ruled out.

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rinsd

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Thu May-01-08 02:08 PM
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37. I was editing my post when you replied.

I was making a joke about spin by only posting positive Hillary polls.

Again, how is posting all the latest poll released spinning? Especially when the OP was clear as mud that they were talking about IN and/or National polling

Indiana

Poll	     Date	      Sample   Clinton  Obama   Spread
RCP Average	04/23 - 04/29	--	48.0	43.2	Clinton +4.8
Rasmussen	04/29 - 04/29	400 LV	46	41	Clinton +5.0
TeleResearch	04/25 - 04/29	943 LV	48	38	Clinton +10.0
PPP (D)	        04/27 - 04/28	1347 LV	50	42	Clinton +8.0
SurveyUSA	04/25 - 04/27	628 LV	52	43	Clinton +9.0
Howey-Gauge	04/23 - 04/24	600 LV	45	47	Obama +2.0
Research 2000	04/23 - 04/24	400 LV	47	48	Obama +1.0

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/in/indiana_democratic_primary-639.html

The link above links out to each polls.

National

Poll	     Date	     Sample   Obama    Clinton 	Spread
RCP Average	04/23 - 04/30	--	45.1	43.4	Obama +1.7
Gallup Trac	04/28 - 04/30	1229 V	45	49	Clinton +4.0
Rasmussen Trac	04/27 - 04/30	900 LV	44	46	Clinton +2.0
FOX News	04/28 - 04/29	400 LV	41	44	Clinton +3.0
CBS News/NY T	04/25 - 04/29	402 LV	46	38	Obama +8.0
NBC/WSJ	        04/25 - 04/28	--	46	43	Obama +3.0
AP-Ipsos	04/23 - 04/27	457 A	46	43	Obama +3.0
Newsweek	04/24 - 04/25	592 RV	48	41	Obama +7.0

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/democratic_presidential_nomination-191.html

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Fearless

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Thu May-01-08 02:10 PM
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40. I'm not responsible for your edits...

and, I didn't say you spun the polls, but therein the polls you chose; in actuality the spin is usually done by pollers selectively grouping statistics to fit their means. That's why I suggested looking at past accuracy.

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rinsd

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Thu May-01-08 02:12 PM
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42. So how is grouping polls by the date they came out selective?

Edited on Thu May-01-08 02:12 PM by rinsd

Just admit you were being a pain in the ass and move on.

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Fearless

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Thu May-01-08 02:15 PM
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44. The point is that poll data is very easily manipulated...

Picking only a cross section of polling from one website does not constitute an unbiased argument. Even if the polls are new. Even if you picked them at random.

Polls themselves are not unbiased either.

And lastly, if I am being a pain in the ass it's not nearly as big a pain in the ass as Hillary is being by continuing when mathematically BEATEN.

Cheers,
NTF

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Hutzpa

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Thu May-01-08 01:25 PM
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7. These are national polls,

I'm talking bout Indiana polls.

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rinsd

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Thu May-01-08 01:29 PM
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14. Here's IN. Out of the 6 polls out in the last week, she leads in 4 of them

Poll	     Date	     Sample	Clinton   Obama 	Spread
RCP Average	04/23 - 04/29	--	48.0	43.2	Clinton +4.8
Rasmussen	04/29 - 04/29	400 LV	46	41	Clinton +5.0
TeleResearch	04/25 - 04/29	943 LV	48	38	Clinton +10.0
PPP (D)  	04/27 - 04/28	1347 LV	50	42	Clinton +8.0
SurveyUSA	04/25 - 04/27	628 LV	52	43	Clinton +9.0
Howey-Gauge	04/23 - 04/24	600 LV	45	47	Obama +2.0
Research 2000	04/23 - 04/24	400 LV	47	48	Obama +1.0 

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/in/indiana_democratic_primary-639.html

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Fearless

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Thu May-01-08 01:27 PM
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11. How about these national polls?

RCP Average 04/23 - 04/30 -- 45.1 43.4 Obama +1.7
Gallup Tracking 04/28 - 04/30 1229 V 45 49 Clinton +4.0
Rasmussen Tracking 04/27 - 04/30 900 LV 44 46 Clinton +2.0
FOX News 04/28 - 04/29 400 LV 41 44 Clinton +3.0
CBS News/NY Times 04/25 - 04/29 402 LV 46 38 Obama +8.0
NBC/WSJ 04/25 - 04/28 -- 46 43 Obama +3.0
AP-Ipsos 04/23 - 04/27 457 A 46 43 Obama +3.0
Newsweek 04/24 - 04/25 592 RV 48 41 Obama +7.0

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/democratic_presidential_nomination-191.html

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Thu May-01-08 01:31 PM
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16. Indiana And Nat'l

If you look closely the more recent the poll the better she does...

He's sinking faster than the Denver Nuggets...

Wait, the Lakers have already eliminated them...

My bad...

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Fearless

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Thu May-01-08 01:33 PM
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18. Unfortunately, she just can't seem to pick up delegates... hmm...

Call me when she retakes the lead. I like consistency in my president, thanks.

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Texas Hill Country

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Thu May-01-08 01:33 PM
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20. she got 5 today

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Fearless

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Thu May-01-08 01:35 PM
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22. And he pulled within 15, so what?

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DemocratSinceBirth

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Thu May-01-08 01:40 PM
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25. Call Me When Obama Beats McSame In The Necessary Battleground States

Edited on Thu May-01-08 01:40 PM by DemocratSinceBirth

I don't like the idea of President McSame, thanks.

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Fearless

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Thu May-01-08 01:40 PM
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26. Like which?

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DemocratSinceBirth

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Thu May-01-08 01:41 PM
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28. We Can Start With Florida And Ohio

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Fearless

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Thu May-01-08 02:02 PM
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34. Ok...

Florida is impossible to track because he hasn't campaigned there.

And Ohio... a sampling...

http://www.usaelectionpolls.com/2008/general-election/ohio.html

Survey USA Poll 4/17/08 45.0 47.0
Survey USA Poll 3/20/08 43.0 50.0
Survey USA Poll 2/17/08 47.0 44.0
Survey USA Poll 1/6/08 43.0 50.0
Public Policy Polling 3/18/08 41.0 49.0
Rasmussen Reports 4/8/08 40.0 47.0
Rasmussen Reports 3/14/08 40.0 46.0
Rasmussen Reports 2/17/08 41.0 42.0
Quinnipiac University Poll 4/2/08 43.0 42.0
Quinnipiac University Poll 2/12/08 40.0 42.0
Survey USA Poll 12/15/07 38.0 47.0
Survey USA Poll 12/3/07 40.0 51.0
Survey USA Poll 11/11/07 37.0 52.0
Quinnipiac University Poll 10/8/07 43.0 39.0
Quinnipiac University Poll 9/3/07 41.0 42.0
Quinnipiac University Poll 7/9/07 43.0 38.0
Quinnipiac University Poll 6/25/07 43.0 38.0
Quinnipiac University Poll 5/13/07 44.0 41.0
Quinnipiac University Poll 4/24/07 36.0 42.0
Quinnipiac University Poll 3/19/07 45.0 37.0
Quinnipiac University Poll 3/4/07 42.0 39.0
Quinnipiac University Poll 1/28/07 38.0 41.0

Pollster Date Hillary Clinton John McCain
Survey USA Poll 4/17/08 53.0 42.0
Survey USA Poll 3/20/08 50.0 44.0
Survey USA Poll 2/17/08 52.0 42.0
Survey USA Poll 1/6/08 46.0 48.0
Public Policy Polling 3/18/08 45.0 44.0
Rasmussen Reports 4/8/08 42.0 47.0
Rasmussen Reports 3/14/08 40.0 46.0
Rasmussen Reports 2/17/08 43.0 46.0
Quinnipiac University Poll 4/2/08 48.0 39.0
Quinnipiac University Poll 2/12/08 43.0 44.0
Survey USA Poll 12/15/07 45.0 45.0
Survey USA Poll 12/3/07 43.0 51.0
Survey USA Poll 11/11/07 46.0 47.0
Survey USA Poll 10/14/07 46.0 46.0
Quinnipiac University Poll 12/3/07 44.0 42.0
Quinnipiac University Poll 11/11/07 42.0 46.0
Quinnipiac University Poll 10/8/07 48.0 38.0
Quinnipiac University Poll 9/3/07 46.0 41.0
Quinnipiac University Poll 7/9/07 45.0 41.0
Quinnipiac University Poll 6/25/07 44.0 42.0
Quinnipiac University Poll 5/13/07 44.0 45.0
Quinnipiac University Poll 4/24/07 42.0 44.0
Quinnipiac University Poll 3/19/07 46.0 42.0
Quinnipiac University Poll 3/4/07 45.0 42.0
Quinnipiac University Poll 1/28/07 46.0 42.0

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rinsd

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Thu May-01-08 02:09 PM
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38. Hillary hasn't campaigned in FL either and they both have the same name recognition.

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Fearless

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Thu May-01-08 02:11 PM
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41. Hate to disappoint you, but they don't have the same name recognition.

n/t

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DemocratSinceBirth

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Thu May-01-08 02:15 PM
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43. You Love To Move The Goal Posts

First you cite RCP with the most current polls... Then when it doesn't suit your argument you provide polls from January...

Here's the RCP front page....HRC outpolls BHO by nine in OH and eleven in FL:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/

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Fearless

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Thu May-01-08 05:26 PM
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45. Excuse me... I was rushing out the door. My life doesn't revolve around GD:P

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Texas Hill Country

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Thu May-01-08 01:24 PM
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5. yeah, link please... this is completely unfounded.

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Thu May-01-08 01:25 PM
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8. Spin polls?

You mean, polls that show her in the lead?

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Adelante

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Thu May-01-08 01:30 PM
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15. I don't understand what you mean

:shrug:

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Hutzpa

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Thu May-01-08 01:39 PM
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24. Its simple Wes

they are using spin to show polls in their favor.

How hard is that....

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jsamuel

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Thu May-01-08 01:40 PM
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27. Are you saying that the polls themselves are spin?

Edited on Thu May-01-08 01:41 PM by jsamuel

Like they are rigging all the polls?

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Hutzpa

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Thu May-01-08 02:05 PM
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35. Yes n/t

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Adelante

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Thu May-01-08 01:43 PM
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30. Are they misrepresenting polling data in order to spin?

Edited on Thu May-01-08 01:47 PM by WesDem

Or are they being selective in what polls they cite, leaving out the ones they don't like?

Your OP is not clear to me. If it's the first, it would be wrong. The second is simple politics.

A simpler way to put it:

What exactly are "Spin Polls" to your way of thinking?

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Hutzpa

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Thu May-01-08 02:09 PM
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39. If they can organise WVWV

to mislead voters there is nothing I won't put past them,
right now they are doing anything and everthing to win an
election they have lost.

I don't want spell this out, but its not like folks are not
being suspicious, the evidence are there for all to see.

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Fearless

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Thu May-01-08 01:31 PM
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17. Indiana Poll...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/03/indiana-primary-polls-lat_n_94950.html

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Fearless

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Thu May-01-08 01:37 PM
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23. Something else you all might find interesting...

http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Pres/Maps/May01.html

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durrrty libby

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Thu May-01-08 01:44 PM
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31. Is this a "spin poll"?

:shrug:

IMG]

http://www.gallup.com/poll/election2008.aspx

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Thu May-01-08 02:07 PM
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36. Possibly... here's another bunch with different results...

RCP Average 04/23 - 04/30 -- 45.1 43.4 Obama +1.7
Gallup Tracking 04/28 - 04/30 1229 V 45 49 Clinton +4.0
Rasmussen Tracking 04/27 - 04/30 900 LV 44 46 Clinton +2.0
FOX News 04/28 - 04/29 400 LV 41 44 Clinton +3.0
CBS News/NY Times 04/25 - 04/29 402 LV 46 38 Obama +8.0
NBC/WSJ 04/25 - 04/28 -- 46 43 Obama +3.0
AP-Ipsos 04/23 - 04/27 457 A 46 43 Obama +3.0
Newsweek 04/24 - 04/25 592 RV 48 41 Obama +7.0

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Thu May-01-08 01:55 PM
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32. Of course -- typical DLC crap. They had to do something to keep a real Democrat out.

And all the silly Hillarians are following right after them.

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