What the F&CK is our problem??!

Source: http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPolitics.asp?Page=/Politics/archive/200803/POL20080321a.html

This poll is not new, but having seen similar sentiments on this site, I was hoping that someone had new numbers that demonstrated that these so-called "Democratic" supporters had come to their senses. Vote for MCCAIN??

The 100 year war guy? The one who is "not good with economics"? The same prick who panders to the religious right? The same idiot who walked down the "safe" streets of Baghdad in a bullet proof vest with hundreds of army personnel who could have been doing more important things than babysit this numbskull? Mr. "bomb bomb bomb Iran"? The guy who wants to keep Bush's tax cuts for the wealthy while still screwing the rest of us? The same McCain that would be worse than Bush? Mr. "The surge is working"? Mr. "support the troops" but not the veterans? Mr. "I was tortured, but still see the value in torturing others"? The same McLame that Lieberman, that no good fuck, has endorsed?!

If you hate Obama or Hillary so much that you would rather vote for this fuckin' scum, then I really don't see why you vote Democratic at all. Anyone in this category is not only childish in their irrational, unwavering grudge toward these two candidates, but he/she must also place the good of the country beneath their own twisted logic of getting their own way. And if they truly see McCain as the lesser of two evils, they haven't been paying attention. If you think we're fucked now, wait until McSame gets elected!! No, neither Obama nor Hillary is perfect. Yes, both candidates may have crossed the line in their attempts to become president. True, their supporters can get on one's last fucking nerve. But VOTE for McCain??!

As you can see, I wanted John Edwards to be our next president; however, as we all know, that's not happening. He bowed out before I was even able to vote for him. Did I stay home? Did I write in a name? Did I switch parties because my preferred Democrat was out of the picture? NO!! Neither did MANY other Edwards, Kucinich, Biden, Gravel, Richardson, Dodd and so on supporters! We held our fuckin' noses and pulled the lever for either Obama or Hillary, knowing full fucking well that they would be a far cry better than any mysanthropic (people hating) republican!

But who am I? If you must, vote for McCain in the general election because, like Nader said in 2000 about Gore and Bush, there is no difference between Obama/Clinton and McCain. But if that fuckwad gets elected, please have the decency of not coming to this site to complain about it. M'kay?
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McCain isn't really getting any press right now. Once it's us versus them and those lines are starkly drawn, people will come to their senses.

Often said. Seldom so.

People say things they don't mean, especially when angry.

I don't pay much attention to the reports of how many of Hillary's or Obama's voters will vote for McCain if their candidate does not get the nomination. They're heat of the battle comments, and of dubious validity.

Many independents and moderate Republicans have climbed on the Obama or Clinton bandwagons, but will revert to voting Republican if their favored Democratic candidate isn't the nominee.

Although this may explain the polling in general, I still see some DUers making this claim.

My guy, Kucinich, is waaaayyyy different than either Clinton or Obama, who are very close on the issues. I'm going to vote Democratic come November, even though I know neither of them will come close to doing what Kucinich proposed, and what I think needs to be done. But knowing the SCOTUS and peace are in the balance will make me mark the D on my ballot.

Which would be deemed an impeachable offense if a Republican did it.

Any time a candidate lies about the election laws in order to suppress the vote, I consider it election fraud. And MI & FL, oh brother, how can any thinking person call it anything else. Imagine if Bush tried to claim a state when Kerry or Gore weren't on the ballot.

either.

I just can't bring myself to vote for someone I don't believe in.

Does that make me a bad guy?

Clinton is just plain vile.

I've seen months of her lies, her smears, and dirty tricks. She's absolutely venomous. I'd vote for any of the other Democratic candidates - Obama, Edwards, Kucinich, Dodd, Richardson, Gravel, Biden, Vilsack.

Not Hillary.

Because quite frankly, she behaves more like a Republican than a Democrat.

She threatened to nuke Iran, she's blowing smoke up our asses about that gas tax holiday, she lied repeatedly and shamelessly, she went scorched earth and damaged the Democratic party by slamming Obama and saying McCain was better than him, she claimed to be against NAFTA when she was for it.

I will never vote for her or give her campaign a single fucking dime. Now now, not in November, not in 2012 or 2016, NEVER.

If she's the nominee, I'm writing in Obama. If you don't like it, suck it. This party doesn't deserve victory if it's going to endorse the despicable tactics of a sociopath.

you believe there is no significant difference in whether Clinton or McCain is elected. Many would disagree, but that is your right.

and small. The only real difference we'd see might be Supreme Court nominations. So there would be some difference.

However, overall I just can't vote against my conscience for someone who I think is unfit for the job. I can't give my "personal stamp of approval" on something I sincerely disapprove of.

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I'll pull a lever for her because I am a loyal Democrat but that's it. She has shit in our collective mess kit. Her tactics of mutual destruction have been both self centered and insane. If the DNC wants her installed as their queen they can fund her campaign without me. If they want a yard sign in my yard - Billy will have to drive down my block and put it there. If they want a bumper sticker on my car -- James fucking Carville is going to have to put it on - and when Hillary loses - he's going to have to come back and take it off again.

HRC is no Democrat like I've ever known and she will not get anything done for us. Vote for McCain - no way - never - ever - but if HRC keeps up her kitchen sink strategy, I may just be too busy to go to the polls at all.

are really republicans. And the "Obama supporters" are really Clinton supporters.

REAL Obama supporters might be so pissed as to vote Green, or write in Gore, but they WON'T vote for McCain. They would have nothing to gain in voting for the person on the ticket who is worse than the person they don't want to vote for.

With "Operation Chaos" we know one thing - the republicans are fucking with us. And evidence is rife here on this board that there are Clinton sympathisers who are using the same tactics vs Obama. So we need to back off and look at things logically.

No progressive is going to vote for McCain. Though Clinton supporters may be more conservative than much of the party, I seriously doubt that they will vote for McCain, either. They gain nothing by doing so (unless you believe they really want him to win so she can run again in '12 - after this campaign, I don't see that as possible, and therefore unlikely).

There are obvious trolls here - some espousing Clinton, some espousing Obama - whose only goal is to create dissension and hard feelings. Ignore them. And remember, when backers of one or the other declare "I will NEVER vote for XXX", that doesn't necessarily mean they are voting for McCain.

Our country is in crisis and McCain is the worst thing that could possibly happen to it. Our petty differences (yes, "petty") are nothing compared to the much bigger problems facing the country.

4 more years of Bush/McSame is not just 4 years lost, it will probably take the country another 10-20 years to recover from the damage done, if recovery is possible at all. We are heading into a critical century, where the availability and proper distribution of the most basic human needs, such as water, food and energy, are coming into question. Only the Democratic party has any chance of getting ahead of these issues.

I will support the Democratic Candidate.

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but sshhhhh...I also want Obama to win!

I always start out supporting the most Progressive candidate, this time Kucinich, which obviously means I never get to back the winner...the secret is, while the backers of the front runners suffer angst, I'm just waiting to cast a vote May 20 and elect a Democrat in Nov. This year is no different from any other for me, except for the high entertainment value.