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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 01:36 PM
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I'm still waiting for Clinton to attack McCain on race, religion, patriotism & elitism.
Edited on Thu May-01-08 01:45 PM by Dr Fate
Should I hold my breath for "the fighter" on that one?

Now here is the part where the Clinton supporters come in and tell us how "difficult" it is to do that to an old, white, Bush supporting Republican from AZ- as opposed to doing it to a mixed-race progressive.

Come to think of it- I dont recall "the fighter" ever hitting Bush too hard on these issues that she seems to care so much all of a sudden either. If she did, she certainly didnt work to get media coverage for it like she does now.
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 01:37 PM
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1. I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for that to happen - she LOVES McCain.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 01:38 PM
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3. I've rarely or never seen a DLCer attack anyone but DEMS on any of these issues.
n/t
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 01:40 PM
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5. You know the reason for that
:puke:
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 01:46 PM
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8. Yup- now you know why they call her "the fighter"
n/t
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Ronnie Donating Member (674 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 04:07 PM
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60. What's that I smell?
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 06:54 PM
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69. I'm still waiting for Clinton to attack McCain on race, religion, patriotism & elitism.
Wouldnt that be cool if she could get up the courage to attack the GOP on those issues rather than a progressive?

LOL-One can dream.
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 01:38 PM
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2. Wait for the GE, I guess
Edited on Thu May-01-08 01:38 PM by prodn2000
:shrug:
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 01:41 PM
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6. LOL! No way. She has had 8 years to attack Bush on those issues as well.
If she did,she certainly didnt make much of an effort to get it into the media like she does now.

If she really cared about any of those "issues"- she had 8 years to hit Bush on all of them multiple times. If she did this, she certainly didnt make much effort to get media coverage for it like now, cuz I dont remember it.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 01:39 PM
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4. I've been waiting for vaunted Clinton 'machine' to ever ONCE stand against Bush-Rove
for the last 8 years.

If they HAD used any of their so-called political might to oppose BushInc the last 8 yrs, she would've been the nominee by Super Tuesday as they planned.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 01:42 PM
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7. When they call her "the fighter" -they must mean fighting Liberals and DEM "elites."
Edited on Thu May-01-08 01:43 PM by Dr Fate
n/t
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 01:50 PM
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9. Kick for Clinton supporters to defend "the fighter" on this. Where are you?
???
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 01:54 PM
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10. Kick for Clinton supporters to defend "the fighter" on this. Where are yoooooooooooooooooou?
Edited on Thu May-01-08 01:54 PM by Dr Fate
?????

Come on "fighters"- tell us Hillary's strategy for going after McCain on these issues you all pretend to care about.

While you are at it, explain to us why these issues were not worth going after duriong 8 years of Bush.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 01:57 PM
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11. LOL- have all the "fighters" taken the day off on their pet issues?
Come out come out where-ever you are!!!
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 01:57 PM
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12. No she's going to try and out republican him on those issues
without calling him those things.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 02:00 PM
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13. I'd love to hear one of Hillary's "fighters" here at DU counter that.
n/t
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 02:03 PM
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14. Come on Hillary supporters- here is you chance to shine on your very favorite, most important issues
Tell us all how "the fighter" is going to kick McCain's ass on the issues that you talk about the most.

I'm all ears- this kick is for YOU!!!!
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 02:08 PM
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15. Yo- Hillary supporters- this thread highlights you very favorite issues of the day-where are you?
Dont let this thread sink- it's another opportunity to discuss the issues that are at the top of your list- what gives?
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 02:12 PM
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16. LOL! I guess this thread proves that DU's Hillary supporters are all liars or hypocrites.
Not a single solitary taker so far.

You hypocrties dont really care about these issues at all, do ya?

Come on- I'll giving you the benefit of the doubt one more time- why let a thread about race, elitism or someone's church sink?

They ARE importaqnt issues, right?
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 03:13 PM
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39. Or maybe it proves Clinton supporters have
a life outside of DU.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 03:21 PM
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43. 500 plus K & Red threads on the same issues proves that excuse wrong.
n/t
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TragedyandHope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 02:15 PM
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17. Is McCain black now?
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 02:17 PM
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18. Nope-nor is McCain a DEM. And Obviously Bush wasnt either.
Edited on Thu May-01-08 02:17 PM by Dr Fate
As I said, Hillary & her "fighters" apparently never attack their own on those issues.
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 02:17 PM
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Ouch!
Normally I would say that was way over the top but right now it's kind of funny.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 02:17 PM
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19. Hey! Not fair! McCain's not one of them evil "activists" ya know.
:grr:
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 02:18 PM
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21. Neither was Bush- b/c rarely did a DLCer ever take on HIM on these issues either.
n/t
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 06:59 PM
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70. Yeah, he's not a Democratic activist, from a caucus state, a Dem in a red state, or a "hope monger"
As we all know, the aforementioned are the *real* enemy. Oh and those that have an occasional latte or went/are going to college. I almost forgot about *those* commies! :D
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cindyw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 02:17 PM
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20. She can't offend him. She wants to be his VP
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futureliveshere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 02:18 PM
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22. Lack of the Clintonista's presence here is breathtaking and typical.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 02:22 PM
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23. It proves that they are liars and hypocrites when it comes to religion, elitism, race, etc.
Edited on Thu May-01-08 02:36 PM by Dr Fate
If those were REALLY issues they cared about- they would have been glad to have joined the thread by now- as it is, they seem to be cowering away from their pet issues...
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 02:30 PM
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25. well, in fairness, they could have you on ignore and can't see the thread.
but otherwise, please do carry on. Their hypocrisy is stanking to high heaven.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 02:36 PM
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27. If I wasnt on their ignore, I must be now
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5768673&mesg_id=5768673
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 02:45 PM
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30. puts you in good company if so, compadre.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 02:24 PM
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24. Did she just win the nomination or something? I didn't realize it was her vs McCain so soon
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 02:35 PM
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26. She had EIGHT YEARS to attack Bush on these issues she pretends to care about-where was she?????
Show us the links where she attacks Bush as hard and as often as Obama for who he goes to church with, or for playing the race card, for instance.

She will attack McCain over these fake issues in MY DREAMS nd you know it.

She wont DARE go after him on ANY of these things like she has gone after the DEM.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 02:44 PM
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29. Calm down, Doc
Chrise sakes, man, she hasn't even won the nomination yet so why not wait until she's SUPPOSED to go after McCain. Right now she's battling Obama, is she not?

When she wins the nomination, then she'll go after him, don't you worry about that.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 02:53 PM
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32. If that were true-she would have taken on Bush on those issues- she had 8 years.
Edited on Thu May-01-08 02:54 PM by Dr Fate
The trtuh is she doesnt seem to want to fight anyone on these issues unless she can aim it at DEMS.

She will not go after McCain and DID NOT go after Bush as hard as she goes after the DEM on these issues- that is clear.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 02:57 PM
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34. According to her Senate votes, she HAS been taking Bush on for those years
Just go to Progressive Punch or a similar site that rates the Senators according to how they vote.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 03:03 PM
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36. Show me were she accused Bush of playing the race card- he has you know.
Edited on Thu May-01-08 03:04 PM by Dr Fate
Show me where she or a surrogate questioned his patriotism. His patriotism IS suspect, you know?

Show me where she engineered a 6 week long 24/7 news cycle on who Bush has negative religous associations with.

Show me her numerous media efforts to paint Bush as out of touch and elitist.

Show me these scores of links and examples- if she fought Bush as hard as she has fought the DEM- they should come pouring out.

Make sure the attacks are as strong and as frequent as they are on the DEM too.

Good luck.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 03:16 PM
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41. She said plenty when she pasted Bush like no other Democrat did
at the MLK event a couple years ago when she said this about Bush...

"This administration will go down in history as one of the worst that has ever governed our country."

http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/ny-ushill174590843jan17,0,5641976.story?coll=ny-homepage-bigpix2005&track=mostemailedlink

Does that count?
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 03:24 PM
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44. Wow. One sentence. That'll show 'em.
NGU.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 03:29 PM
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48. She was "the fighter" on that day, for 5 seconds, "a couple of years ago."
As opposed to the 24/7 smears against the DEM now.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 03:28 PM
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47. So that is the best "the fighter" can come up with? One tepid , never repeated quote?
Where does she open up on his spirtual beliefs, his associations with known racists, his elitism, or his fake patriotism like she has with the DEM?

There were 8 years and this is the best "the fighter" could do on her top, central issues of elitism, patriotism, race cards and religion?

Even if this was a quote that would prove me wrong, she obviously made no effort to get it into the news cycle like she does now...

One really tepid barb from couple of years ago?

So this is how she will attack McCain?
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 03:37 PM
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51. Well, I didn't think you'd go for it. Tell me all the times Obama has pasted Bush
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 04:09 PM
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64. Obama never attacked any DEMS on those issues. Hill is the one who pretends RW smears are important
n/t
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 08:56 AM
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72. Then WHY did she and Bill SUPPORT BUSH PUBLICLY and repeatedly DEFEND him on his
decisions on Iraq and terrorism when the last Dem nominee was ATTACKING Bush on those decisions?

Why would Clintons side with the WORST PRESIDENT IN HISTORY in 2003-2004 and continue to do so until 2006, shifting their rhetoric AFTER Lieberman lost his primary race?
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 03:04 PM
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37. What about that YouTube video of her anti-war speech on the Ellipse...
...when so many of us were out there freezing our asses off to bring the troops home?

What?... Oh yeah... That's right... SHE DIDN'T GIVE ONE.

But you just keep justifying yourself with "Progressive Punch," whatever that is.

NGU.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 03:19 PM
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42. You don't like Progressive Punch because it's real & it shows you up
Sites that deal in reality prove that Hillary isn't the neocon that you and so many others try to make her out to be.

How surprising that what doesn't happen is actually more important to you than what really takes place. Amazing...
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Zodiak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 03:25 PM
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46. Progressive Punch seems to be a group that works hard
Edited on Thu May-01-08 03:27 PM by Zodiak Ironfist
To convince the Democratic grassroots that all Democrats are good liberals and deserve your vote. Their scoring methodology is baroque and not very transparent. To me, it is another group that basically want t pretend that the DLC doesn't have any negative impact on the progressive voices of this country. How do they do it? Put the important votes in with the crap, which dilutes their betrayal.

I do not listen to Progressive Punch on anything....they are just another group that already has an agenda, and scores Democrats according to their pre-determined biases.

Oh, and BTW Lerky and Dr. Fate, if I am on their ignore list, too, it is with excellent company.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 02:58 PM
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35. She'll be ready on DAY ONE, DAMMIT - and not a moment sooner!!
Now sit down and shut up, you... you... activist!!

:rofl:

NGU.
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invictus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 02:43 PM
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28. K & R. Hillary is a fraud. n/t
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 03:53 PM
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53. Well thought out post (snicker)
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 02:52 PM
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31. Why didn't she FIGHT when Bush/Cheney** abused the Blank Check for Invasion...
...that she co-signed. She said she never intended it to be used the way they did. So why didn't the fighter fight back!??

NGU.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 02:55 PM
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33. Because she does not and will never fight the GOP on their fake patriotism.
And if she does- she never made an effort to get 24/7 media coverage for it like she does now.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 03:11 PM
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38. Actually, you do have to be careful and use a different tact
Edited on Thu May-01-08 03:19 PM by depakid
when taking on granpa, as opposed to a less than one term senator with a thin resume.

There are still plenty of weaknesses to exploit, and whoever the nominee is has plenty of ammunition.

Whether they'll use it or not is another matter- and admittedly neither of these two showed the sort of leadership one would have liked to see in taking on the most unpopular president in modern history. Chalk part of that up to the nature of the Senate... though I expect Paul Wellstone (the gadfly) would have disagreed.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 03:15 PM
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40. Yeah, if you're a Rape-Publican you do.
QED.

NGU.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 03:24 PM
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45. No, if you're politically astute you do
Edited on Thu May-01-08 03:25 PM by depakid
First, you have to illustrate how he's "the same as Bush," without drawing attention to a couple of differences that the media will constantly be reinforcing.

Second, you have to subtly draw attention to what many see as the first stages of pre-senile dementia, without creating too much sympathy.

Obviously, there are many more issues like this out there... and it would be all too easy to blow it by saying stupid things....
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 03:32 PM
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50. Well, Hilly's been doing a lot of political ass-tootin', so I'm sure she's up to it.
She's proven that she's the master of subtlety.

:eyes:

NGU.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 03:31 PM
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49. Could be- but that proves that Hill doesnt really CARE about those issues- its just to attack a DEM.
If she was really sincere about those issues, she would be going after GOPers on them more than the DEM.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 03:41 PM
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52. That's the race she's in now
though I tend to agree that the Clintons care less about progressive issues, than they do about returning to power.

The only credit I'm willing to give them is that they understand that the high road has proven (time and again) to be for losers.

I don't like it, either- but that's the way it is in the states.

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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 03:53 PM
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54. Does Obama care? Point me in the direction where he has been pasting Bush
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 03:59 PM
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56. LOL... You can't answer the question so you change the subject...
:rofl:

NGU.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 04:03 PM
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57. I answered the question above and you mocked it genius
Or did you forget because you've been too busy ridiculing everyone's posts?
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 04:04 PM
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58. Oh that's right, the fighter SLAMMED Bush/Cheney** with one feeble sentence.
:eyes:

NGU.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 04:06 PM
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59. I challenge you come up with something better that Obama said about Bush. I'll be waiting
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 04:08 PM
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62. dupe
Edited on Thu May-01-08 04:08 PM by mtnsnake
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 04:19 PM
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65. Can't find anything yet?
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 06:51 PM
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68. Obama never attacked any DEMS on these issues. Hill is the one who pretends RW smears are important
If you want to discuss a different subject- on whether Obama is attacking attacking DEMS harder than Republicans (he is not) - then feel free to start a thread on it- but first you need to find examples of Obama going after DEMS like Hill has.

If she really thinks elitism, patriotism, religion & race should be central themes of discussion, then why nothing against Bush & McCain on those issues?
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 09:46 AM
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73. Yeah, what Doc said!
NGU.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 04:07 PM
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61. Obama never attacked any DEMS on those issues. Hill is the one who pretends RW smears are important
n/t
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billyoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 03:57 PM
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55. She can't beat Obama if she attacks his opponent. nt
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 04:09 PM
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63. She is faking on those "issues"- otherwise she would have been attacking Bush equally for 8 years
n/t
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Zodiak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 06:25 PM
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66. Personally, Fate, I think it is an issue of avoidance
I have noticed that the more fact-oriented DUers are ignored by the zealots. Too easy to pop their balloons.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 06:47 PM
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67. kick
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-01-08 07:23 PM
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71. kick
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-02-08 04:35 PM
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74. not going to happen.
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