Will white working class voters stay home if HRC is not the nominee?

BenDavid

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Thu May-01-08 06:35 PM
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Will white working class voters stay home if HRC is not the nominee?

hate to say it but I suspect 33.5% will vote for McCain and that is a damn shame. We had this election won against any republican until obama decided to UNITE US.......

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leftofcool

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Thu May-01-08 06:36 PM
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1. I have heard they will but I don't know

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HiFructosePronSyrup

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Thu May-01-08 06:37 PM
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2. Only the racist ones.

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YDogg

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Thu May-01-08 06:37 PM
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3. only if they are vapid asshats satisfied with bush/mccain?

:shrug:

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democrattotheend

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Thu May-01-08 06:37 PM
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How dare Obama interfere with Hillary's coronation

Sorry, but that's basically what you're saying. Obama shouldn't have run and should have just let Hillary be coronated as the nominee to increase our chances.

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PoliticalAmazon

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Thu May-01-08 06:37 PM
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4. The only way that McCain can win is if Hillary is the Dem candidate...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5280301&mesg_id=5281280

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LisaM

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Thu May-01-08 06:38 PM
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5. OK, I am a Hillary supporter and I don't like this thread

I read the thread about African-American voters staying home if Obama doesn't get the nomination several times, and really felt sad about it, so I decided not to respond. I don't think it's helpful or constructive to post a thread like this in return. I also felt that the issues raised were too complex to just respond to off the cuff. But to post something like this in response isn't okay, IMO.

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Mooney

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Thu May-01-08 06:41 PM
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13. Thank you for saying that.

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Jed Dilligan

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Thu May-01-08 07:08 PM
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38. Thank you.

Nice to see a little decency for a change.

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LisaM

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Thu May-01-08 07:14 PM
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41. Check us out

There are a lot of decent Hillary supporters.

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Jed Dilligan

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Thu May-01-08 07:17 PM
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43. You all should post more. It would be good for GDP.

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The Doctor.

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Fri May-02-08 01:22 AM
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68. There is a rational core here on DU...

And no matter who I favored, being in that core would be more important.

There are zealots on all sides right now, and DU is going to need us very badly no matter who the nominee turns out to be.

If for some reason, Clinton is the nominee, I'll have my work cut out for me. I can only hope that whatever credibility I have as an Obama supporter will help get people to do the right thing in November no matter what. I hope that the rational Clinton supporters will do the same.

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spartan61

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Thu May-01-08 06:39 PM
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Why not ask how many Dems will sit out the election if

Hillary manages to steal the nomination with her dirty tricks?

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sellitman

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Thu May-01-08 06:39 PM
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6. Where did you pull that figure out of?

Your Tuckass?

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bluestateguy

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Thu May-01-08 06:39 PM
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7. Tell you what

You get your candidate to mend fences with black voters, and we'll have our candidate redouble his efforts with lower-income white folks.

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butterfly77

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Fri May-02-08 12:15 AM
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61. He's already working on it..

the difference is that he did nothing to offend them they are pretending they are offended about Bitter and cling because media talking heads told them to be. The difference with blacks is they were truly offended and Hillary and bill meant it..

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wmbrew0206

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Fri May-02-08 09:30 AM
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73. I'm not pretending

Edited on Fri May-02-08 09:43 AM by wmbrew0206

I am a religious, white democrat from a rural area that owns several guns. Obama's comments DID offend me. I don't own firearms or practice my religion because of my economic status. I do it because I believe in God and enjoy hunting and I felt that Obama was insinuating that something must be wrong with you if those are your values.

I'm an Edwards supporter and had been leaning toward Obama until that comment, now I'm back on the fence.

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jwirr

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Thu May-01-08 06:39 PM
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8. No they have too much to lose.

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Mooney

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Thu May-01-08 06:40 PM
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9. You mean people like yourself?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5524880&mesg_id=5524880

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K Gardner

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Thu May-01-08 06:40 PM
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10. Yes, we're all familiar with your concern about racists. Thanks for more concern. We'll miss you

when Obama is the nominee and you have to take this garbage elsewhere.

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tularetom

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Thu May-01-08 06:41 PM
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11. I think they should stay home and let McCain get elected

They are the ones who are gonna get fucked worst if he becomes pres.

Course they really won't get treated any better if clinton is elected either.

But they'd never vote for an n-word would they? Especially an "elitist" n-word who can't bowl.

Well fuck 'em. If they are that stoopid they deserve what they get.

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Secret_Society

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Thu May-01-08 06:41 PM
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12. Have to agree with you

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TahitiNut

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Thu May-01-08 06:42 PM
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14. Right on schedule.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5751295

:eyes:
:puke:

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Symarip

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Thu May-01-08 06:42 PM
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15. Every other day you threaten to jump ship

Blah blah blah. If I paypal you a dollar, will you go ahead and start supporting McCain now so I don't have to read your boring shit anymore?

Just get it over with already.

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nichomachus

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Thu May-01-08 06:42 PM
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16. So, basically, we should respect racism and nominate Hillary to keep the racists happy

Then, it would follow that we should never nominate a Jew because a certain number of anti-Semites would stay home.

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Indenturedebtor

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Thu May-01-08 06:47 PM
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25. I actually agree with some of your post there

Edited on Thu May-01-08 07:22 PM by Indenturedebtor

So, basically, we should respect racism and nominate Hillary to keep the racists happy
Posted by nichomachus
Then, it would follow that we should never nominate a Jew because a certain number of anti-Semites would stay home.

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The second part... I was scared to death when Lieberman was running as Veep. Because I knew that like the OP he would speak out of his faceanus and make us all look bad.

You've been spouting this race crap since fall of last year. Anyone stupid enough to pick HRC over race will also be stupid enough to pick McCain over HRC.

ANnnnnd it's a different situation becuase Obama has won fair and square.

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Edited to not implicate Nichomachus... Negativity directed fully and unabashadley at OP. Bad writing sorry.

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nichomachus

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Thu May-01-08 06:49 PM
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27. WHat?

Edited on Thu May-01-08 06:50 PM by nichomachus

You've been spouting this race crap since fall of last year

I have? Odd, since I wasn't posting here last fall. And what "race crap" are you talking about?

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Indenturedebtor

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Thu May-01-08 07:21 PM
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45. GAH I'm sorry Nichomachus

you haven't... my post was intended for Ben David but I wanted to respond to what you said as well! Sorry man hah posting error!

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sniffa

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Thu May-01-08 06:43 PM
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17. If Hillbots are the barometer

then they most certainly won't stay home - they'll be out in droves to vote for McCain.

Hillaryis45

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Spider Jerusalem

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Thu May-01-08 06:43 PM
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18. You mean, racists?

Like you?

10934, I honestly think you will not hear back from "whomever", This is
Posted by BenDavid on Mon Apr-07-08 11:45 AM

what happens on many forums when one group supplants their beliefs over the others, and in so doing the moderators allow them to do this even when it goes against the so called rules of the forum.

What I see about the obama people is their desire to be seen as "being right" in their support of obama for the simple reason he is "black". They want to be on the side of supporting the "black" candidate and in doing so seen as somehow superior because they support this candidate. Then go so far as to condemn those of us for supporting the "white" or "woman" candidate and then to label us as either "bigots" or "racists". It is easy to label someone a "bigot" or a "racist" when in fact the candidate they support on numerous occasions has played the race card, as well as that candidates surrogates and then blame it on the other candidate and spouse.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=334&topic_id=10680&mesg_id=10934

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democracy1st

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Fri May-02-08 12:19 AM
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63. thats GOP 101

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ProSense

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Thu May-01-08 06:44 PM
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19. If Hillary had the white vote locked up, why has her campaign

engaged in RW tactics like this?

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Bensthename

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Thu May-01-08 06:44 PM
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20. You are a fucking republican..

You are a damn shame.. Take your racist shit some where else..
Oh you are not racist. Then what is the reason that whites would not vote for Obama..
He has one in every category in a fair way.. You're a fucking disgraceful asshole.

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MrSlayer

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Thu May-01-08 06:45 PM
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21. Only the most ignorant will.

And they can go fuck themselves.

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cali

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Thu May-01-08 06:46 PM
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22. bzzzt.

FAIL

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rwheeler31

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Thu May-01-08 06:46 PM
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no Who rewards failure?

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uponit7771

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Thu May-01-08 06:46 PM
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23. Not everyone in America is racist

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Quixote1818

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Thu May-01-08 06:47 PM
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24. Bull shit, Obama has won them in several states. PA and OH are not the only two states

in the Union.

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Dr Fate

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Thu May-01-08 07:03 PM
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34. Obama appeals to the working class...Hillary/media are only refering to a portion of it.

Contrary to DU myth- you & I know the working class also includes educated folks, black folks and folks who dont like race-identity politics.

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LaurenG

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Thu May-01-08 06:49 PM
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26. I am hearing the opposite around here.

I don't want Senator Clinton to win, she plays dirty, kicks below the belt and lies to me at every opportunity. As far as I'm concerned the ONLY thing I think she'll do is help the SCOTUS.

Wishing that she was a savior won't make it so; imo she is a shell of a person pretending she gives a flying fig about anyone but herself. Also, why would the republicans and the media be supporting her this way if she weren't one of them?

I wish there were a way to let everyone see the puppeteers behind the puppets. And yes I know, Senator Clinton supporters don't agree. :shrug:

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Bensthename

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Thu May-01-08 06:52 PM
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28. This post should win the DU's "Worst Post Of The Year Award."

I cant believe this is still here and not in the trash.. Some one can just say millions of whites will not vote for Obama because he tries to unite us. That is his reasoning? This is the most disgusting shit I have read in months..

This white working class male takes great offense to this bs..

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mmonk

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Thu May-01-08 06:53 PM
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29. They always split between the two party candidates.

Don't equate the difference. How did Obama divide? By showing up as a person of color?

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Taxmyth

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Thu May-01-08 06:56 PM
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30. I probably will

Can't vote for a novice for President. Sorry.

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cyndensco

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Thu May-01-08 06:57 PM
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31. "We had this election..until Obama decided to UNITE US"

Boy, if I didn't know better, I'd think by your constant spiel, Obama had no right to run for POTUS. What are YOUR criteria for someone declaring his candidacy? Did you have the same animosity towards Edwards, Dodd, Richardson, et.al. when they joined the race? Is your problem with Obama that he is the front runner? If one of the others were left standing against hillary, would you feel the same about him?

I think I know where you are coming from - same as hillary says, Obama can not win because.... I know this is an important election - this country is SO screwed up after 8 years of bush - but I think suggestions like yours are reprehensible and show how truly fucked up things are. He had EVERY RIGHT to run, EVERY RIGHT!

If the white working class voters stay home cause hillary is not on the ballot, oh well...

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Dr Fate

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Thu May-01-08 06:59 PM
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32. They dont call 'em swing voters for nothing- Many will vote McCain even if she does "win" the nom.

Edited on Thu May-01-08 07:00 PM by Dr Fate

Look- if Hillary can convince these folks that ANY DEM is racist, elitist or unpatriotic- then McCain with the full force of the media will have no problem feeding them lies & smears.

The easily lied to "working class" that has been built up to be such a sure thing should be a concern for either candidate.

For many of them, enjoy thier company and the working class pose & myths that go along with it while you can.

I have no idea why we think that folks who would stay home or vote McCain are part of "the DEM base"- they are conservative swing-voters- and they dont call 'em swing voters for nothing...

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Harry Monroe

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Thu May-01-08 07:03 PM
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33. Your poor baby!!! So sorry Hillary is not getting the nomination she is entitled to!!

So sorry she had to face a little competition. Would she like a pillow??

:sarcasm:

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EmilyAnne

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Thu May-01-08 07:04 PM
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35. What about white working class DEMOCRATS? That's who I care about. I think they'll come around.

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Dr Fate

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Thu May-01-08 07:12 PM
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40. Yup-The problem is that Hillary supporters confuse conservative swing-voters with DEMOCRATS.

DEMOCRATS as you say are not at issue here at all.

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sponge bob

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Thu May-01-08 07:06 PM
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36. Many will vote for McCain

unfortunately.

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Jed Dilligan

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Thu May-01-08 07:07 PM
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37. Any bloc of white voters staying home is usually good news for us. nt

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Milo_Bloom

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Thu May-01-08 07:08 PM
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39. No, they won't and nothing suggests they will.

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bunnies

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Thu May-01-08 07:16 PM
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42. Suddenly we pander to those who threaten to vote for McCain?

hmmmm. Thats a switch!

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Dr Fate

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Thu May-01-08 07:34 PM
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48. In Hillary-world these folks are called "the Democratic base".

I always thought they were just conservative swing-voters who happen vote DEM every blue moon.

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bunnies

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Thu May-01-08 07:40 PM
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52. Unless, that is, one of those members of the "Democratic base"...

happens also to be a poster on DU. In that case the person would be ripped apart and demeaned for threatening to vote McCain. Go figure. :eyes:

If these people are the Democratic base, we're screwed.

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Dr Fate

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Thu May-01-08 07:41 PM
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53. They dont call 'em swing-voters for nothin. n/t

n/t

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rolleitreks

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Thu May-01-08 07:19 PM
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44. Hope not, but we'll need warm bodies to send to the front . . . n/t

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doc03

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Thu May-01-08 07:27 PM
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46. I just saw several posts basiclly accusing anyone that doesn't

vote for Obama to be a racist. You Obama supporters sure like to throw that word around. The Obama supporters with their blind support for Obama is what really turns me off to him. I actually heard an Obama campaign person on the radio today compare him to Jesus. He is not Jesus, he is politician and like Rev. Wright said he says what he has to to get elected the same as any politician.

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Dr Fate

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Thu May-01-08 07:39 PM
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50. No-just the ones who said in exit polls that they "are not ready for a black president."

Edited on Thu May-01-08 07:40 PM by Dr Fate

And those who agree with them.

I've got news for you- some-not all- but some of the noble, salt-of-the earth,"working class" types dont like black folks that much.

Hillary focused on Wright & Farrakkan with those folks in mind- she didnt make the "scary black man" association a central theme of her campaign just for her health.

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doc03

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Fri May-02-08 12:49 AM
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64. There you go again, you proved my point. You can't

possibly disagree with Obama, without being a racist. There is more racist rhetoric coming from the Obama campaign than any place. If Obama does win how you going to blame everything on the man then?
Racism is just an excuse?

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Dr Fate

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Fri May-02-08 10:59 AM
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74. You can disagree with Obama- but if you "are not ready for a black presdent"- you might be racist.

Edited on Fri May-02-08 11:04 AM by Dr Fate

I have yet to see you refute that or challenge my notion that some of the "swing voters" who voted for Hillary did bace their votes on race. they admitted it in exit polls.

You have yet to refute the fact that Hillary tried to associate Obama with Farrakkan in an effort to play race-identity politics.

Get it straight- pointing out racist tactics & the racist beliefs of certain voters is not racist rhetoric nor is it racist in itself.

Under this type of hillary/Rush Limbaugh logic, ANY discussion of race or racsim could be labeled as "racist rhetoric" or "playing the race card." Republicans have used your argument to shut down discussions or debates on race issues for years. But you knew that.

I never said you cant disagree with Obama and not be a racists- I pointed out the fact that some Hillary voting racists admit in exit polls that they dont like him b/c he is black, and that racists tacitcs have been used against him.

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Tierra_y_Libertad

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Thu May-01-08 07:27 PM
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47. Maybe we should erect a 'Fedrut flag over the Big Tent to make them feel welcome.

And, make white sheets with stylish hoods mandatory wear at the Democratic convention so they will vote for "our" candidate.

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mentalsolstice

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Thu May-01-08 07:36 PM
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49. This Hillary supporter will vote, no matter what!

I will vote for my local dog-catcher if he's on the Dem. ticket before I would vote for McCain. Voting for Obama will be an honor and a privilege.

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democrattotheend

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Fri May-02-08 01:06 AM
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65. If only more Clinton supporters here could be like you

Not that there are not plenty of immature Obama supporters here too.

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newmajority

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Thu May-01-08 07:40 PM
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51. This white working class voter will stay home if she IS.

Actually, that's not true. I'll show up to keep Dino Rossi out of the governor's mansion, and vote against whatever half-assed initiative that goddamned piece of shit Tim Eyman is using to further bankrupt the state budget.

Not that it's going to happen, of course.

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Tierra_y_Libertad

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Thu May-01-08 08:06 PM
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54. This fellow Washingtonian is with you.

:thumbsup:

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Yossariant

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Thu May-01-08 08:21 PM
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55. Voting for McCain is twice as harmful as staying home.

Edited on Thu May-01-08 08:21 PM by Yossariant

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kwenu

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Thu May-01-08 08:30 PM
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56. I think that's just the folks in your local klan group.

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scheming daemons

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Thu May-01-08 10:38 PM
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57. I hope they stay home! They're overwhelmingly Repukes!

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ElsewheresDaughter

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Thu May-01-08 11:55 PM
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59. no that would be Obama's open caucus state wins peeps

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Lord Helmet

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Thu May-01-08 11:51 PM
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58. some of Hilary's base and Limbaugh's base are the same kind of people

racist stupid people so who cares where y'all go.

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laugle

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Fri May-02-08 12:11 AM
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60. Boy how they

hate to have the tables turned........

Some of these replies are just plain nasty.......

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hokies4ever

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Fri May-02-08 12:19 AM
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62. Racist viewpoint

Hillary's talking points that the white working class voter is more important than any black voter. I think the 3/5s clause was repealed a while back.

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Czolgosz

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Fri May-02-08 01:21 AM
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66. Maybe only the white working class men (and Southern women) will stay home if HRC is the nominee.

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NanceGreggs

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Fri May-02-08 01:21 AM
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67. So now it begins ...

Edited on Fri May-02-08 01:51 AM by NanceGreggs

Those who are beginning to realize that the nominee WILL BE OBAMA are starting to warn us of the devastation that nomination will undoubtedly lead to for the party.

Keep predicting a defeat at Obama's hands in November, BenDavid - just like a true Democrat would. :sarcasm:

BenDavid quote: "If the left wing of the DNC tries anything designed to alter our perception that Obama's condescending comments are not a huge problem that goes directly to his electability, we are ready to bolt the democratic party and support McCain."

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bahrbearian

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Fri May-02-08 02:52 AM
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70. Maybe after the Primaries Hilliary will bolt from the party and Run with Mc Dubya.

Edited on Fri May-02-08 02:53 AM by bahrbearian

Kind of like Joe Momentum. Hopefully with a different out come.

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69. Any thread that talks about any Dem staying home and not voting

for the Democratic Candidate is a big bunch of steaming shit EOM.....

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71. Are you supporting McCain now?

Just wondering, since Obama will be nominated.

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Fri May-02-08 08:25 AM
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72. And that will be their choice.

Fine by me if they can live with a McCain Presidency.

They will get what they deserve.

Of course, they will then blame the McCain turmoil on some other group for forcing them to vote against their interests.:eyes:

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75. Will African-Americans (90% Democrats) stay home if Obama isn't?

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76. I think they'll vote for McCain with either nominee.

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Fri May-02-08 11:02 AM
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78. They dont call 'em swing-voters for nothin. n/t

n/t

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77. No. Obama is actually the better candidate to appeal to white working class voters.

Right now, the Clinton campaign is stirring up lies about Obama (I'm sorry to have to say this, but the last two days' news proves it) and many white, working class voters are supporting her in the primaries against "the scary black man." However, once the bigotry is stirred up, it extends to women. These same voters, allowed to wallow in their fear and bigotry, will inevitably vote for the white man in the GE.

If Hillary stops this now, and the Democratic Party gets behind Obama, he will resume his appeal to a wide range of voters, and we have a good chance for victory in the GE.

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79. I'm sure you will.

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80. Not THIS working-class Democrat

Squabbles are squabbles; this fall is time for party unity, to re-capture the promise of America.

I'd prefer Hillary, and I am unhappy with the goons in Obama's company, but at least they're Democrats.

And that's all I demand.

No bullshit about the DLC, the PDC, the ABCDE or LS/MFT*.

Just the DNC and the USA.

Ben, I know that the Obama goons bug you, too, but don't let it get to you. They are a small fraction of the party. In solidarity, their influence will dwindle; in victory, their passions will be tempered. We need to turn this nation around, no matter who is at the proverbial wheel.

--p!
*LS/MFT = "Lifelong Smoking Means Fatal Tumors"

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